Blowing on people??

SOLDOUT4HIM · Dec 7, 2004

Definately,
Dosen't matter what God tells us to do (no matter how silly it seems to our flesh) we need to do it. Goodness knows how many times God has told His ppl to do things that didn't make sense (in the flesh). I mean come on, laying on you side for an extended period of time, eating food cooked over dung, building an ark in the middle of the desert, tying yourself up with a belt. God has reasons for everything even if we don't see it at that moment.

FoundInGrace · Dec 8, 2004

SOLDOUT4HIM said:
Definately,
Dosen't matter what God tells us to do (no matter how silly it seems to our flesh) we need to do it. Goodness knows how many times God has told His ppl to do things that didn't make sense (in the flesh). I mean come on, laying on you side for an extended period of time, eating food cooked over dung, building an ark in the middle of the desert, tying yourself up with a belt. God has reasons for everything even if we don't see it at that moment.

does he...

KleinerApfel · Dec 8, 2004

tigersnare said:
If you don't mind me asking, you say the Lord knows you "need" that/those experience/experiences.

What would happen if you didn't get them?

If you don't mind my replying: "mind your own business."

If I'm wrong, then God won't send that, but will give something which is more appropriate for each one of us.
It's not wrong to tell Him what I feel, so long as I remain open to whatever way He replies.

Blessings, Susana

KleinerApfel · Dec 8, 2004

BTW Tigersnare, why is your icon banging his head against a brick wall? Calm down before you injure yourself!

Blessings, Susana

Andrew · Dec 8, 2004

Cookie-Monsta said:
Hi, I went to a friends church last night and there was a woman praying for people. While she prayed/after she prayed she blew on their faces and most of them fell over.

I was wondering if anyone could explain why some people blow on people when they pray for them?

Any answers would be great! Thanks!

I'll answer that if you can tell me why Jesus made mud out of his spit, and then placed it on a blind man's eyes and then told him to go wash. Or why he told someone to tell the leper to go dip 7 times in the Jordan river.

If you read about Smith Wigglesworth, you'll see that in his healing miracles, he used to punch people in the stomach and send them flying backwards. Once he even kicked a child with clubbed feet off the stage. The kid landed healed and running around. The people who were punched in the stomach were also healed, eg: one bed ridden lady dying of last stage cancer.

JimB · Dec 8, 2004

Andrew said:
I'll answer that if you can tell me why Jesus made mud out of his spit, and then placed it on a blind man's eyes and then told him to go wash. Or why he told someone to tell the leper to go dip 7 times in the Jordan river.

If you read about Smith Wigglesworth, you'll see that in his healing miracles, he used to punch people in the stomach and send them flying backwards. Once he even kicked a child with clubbed feet off the stage. The kid landed healed and running around. The people who were punched in the stomach were also healed, eg: one bed ridden lady dying of last stage cancer.

These bizarre methods employed by Wigglesworth and Jack Coe, for examples, are legendary and have been repeated over and over again so many times that one might suspect they are somewhat embellished. That something like this may have happened on an occasion or two, I also suspect has a kernel of truth about it and if they, in fact, did happen as they are reported second-, third-, and one thousandth-hand, then we can stake a belief on them. We just do not know for sure.

But, say, God ordered Wigglesworth to punch people in the stomach and send them flying backwards, it would have been foolish of him to adopt it as a formula or technique for healing. Jesus did not put mud on peoples eyes every time he prayed for them. He told us, I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does, John 5.19. Jesus followed His Fathers lead. He spat on people, laid hands on them, applied mud to their eyes, etc. because He understood that was what the Father had led Him to do.

So, blowing on people may be exactly what God has instructed a minister to do when he/she is ministering to someone. They would be wise to obey. But to do it every time because it worked before would then bring healing from the divine to a simple theatrical technique. And that would be wrong.

\o/

Andrew · Dec 8, 2004

So, blowing on people may be exactly what God has instructed a minister to do when he/she is ministering to someone. They would be wise to obey. But to do it every time because it worked before would then bring healing from the divine to a simple theatrical technique. And that would be wrong.

Yes agreed.

But sometimes that is just the style perculiar to a minister, whether instructed by God or not, God doesnt seem too bothered by it. What's more important to Him is the boldness of faith to step out and do something. Of cse, if the method is not working, that should set the person thinking, and people can tell.

Wigglesworth punched many times. It was not just a one- or two-off thing. For him, for his ministry, it worked, although he wasn't that 'aggressive' throughout the years of his ministry. He did mellow down after a while and use more gentle means.

And it was certainly not theatrics or entertainment for him. He really cared for the sick. When he was a young boy, he would literally drag the sick and lost off the streets into the church to get them saved and healed. When asked why he punched people, he said he was dealing in a tough way with the sickness and the devil, not attacking the person.

So if you are half-dead with stomach cancer and the minister punches you in the stomach and you get healed, would you complain or sue? I dont think so.

JimB · Dec 8, 2004

Andrew said:
*****

Andrew said:
Wigglesworth punched many times. It was not just a one- or two-off thing. For him, for his ministry, it worked, although he wasn't that 'aggressive' throughout the years of his ministry. He did mellow down after a while and use more gentle means. *****

I would not demean the remarkable life of Smith Wigglesworth. He must have been one extraordinary person. But I have to ask: Do you have proof of this? Or is this just part of the legend that grew up around him?

One of these legendary preachers in our part of the country was the uncle of my ex-wife. He was a very charismatic person, an excellent storyteller, and he knew how to move a crowd. And he could draw them to his meetings by the thousands all over Texas and the South. Knowing his personal life, however, and the kind of father he was (hint: none of his three children ever served God), I have serious reservations about calling his success in ministry the anointing. It was all the strength of his amazing personality. He died back in the 70s but in some circles his name is still used by preachers in his denominations and I have heard the same story told about him in half-a-dozen different versions.

Maybe the same is true about these stories surrounding Wigglesworth. Maybe he punched people, maybe he simply tapped them, maybe he just looked real hard at them. Who knows? All we know is what we have been told second- and third-hand. I neither believe nor disbelieve these stories. I simply do not know nor do I know the effect on the person he slugged.

[QUOTE=Andrew] *****

And it was certainly not theatrics or entertainment for him. He really cared for the sick. *****[/QUOTE]

How can we possibly say for sure? I would hope it was not theatrics, but I can not say it wasnt. I assume he cared for the sick, but to say that for certain takes a smattering of faith on my part. Again, I just do not know this is true. I have only have the word of people who admired him. I am sure there are other accounts of him less flattering. Its a matter of choice which ones we believe.

\o/

Trish1947 · Dec 8, 2004

It seems like these demonstrations would startle most, that had not seen it before.. even Jesus who was being obediant to what He saw His father doing, let the person know in advance what was coming. Yes, he reached down and put mud mixed with spittle on a mans eyes, but wasn't this a test of this man's faith if he was going to be obediant when he told him to go wash his eyes? I think if that man did not go wash, he would not have recieved his sight. So there was a purpose to everything he did. So are we being asked when we are being blown upon, pushing on our foreheads, just to accept this in faith, and do it anyway? I'm still confused about it alittle.

Andrew · Dec 8, 2004

Jim M said:
I would not demean the remarkable life of Smith Wigglesworth. He must have been one extraordinary person. But I have to ask: Do you have proof of this? Or is this just part of the legend that grew up around him?

His ministry was so remarkable that some have doubted him and called him a hoax or exaggeration, some even say there was no such person. I think its a poor cop-out excuse just becos we are slow to believe or becos we dont like his style. Might as well ask if Jesus really did all those things.

I guess you'd have to read his sermons (he never wrote any books), do your own research on the authenticity of the guy and judge from your own spirit. As for me, I have no problem believing in the miraculous and the odd.

How can we possibly say for sure? I would hope it was not theatrics, but I can not say it wasnt. I assume he cared for the sick, but to say that for certain takes a smattering of faith on my part. Again, I just do not know this is true. I have only have the word of people who admired him. I am sure there are other accounts of him less flattering. Its a matter of choice which ones we believe.

Again, you'd have to read about him and his ministry first for yourself to see if he really cared for the sick.

A4C · Dec 9, 2004

Sometimes the Holy Spirit co-operates with people WITH pride (and other faults)because often those without pride (and very few faults) are not willing to co-operate with the Holy Spirit

Tony_Tony5054 · Nov 3, 2017

Cookie-Monsta said:
Hi, I went to a friends church last night and there was a woman praying for people. While she prayed/after she prayed she blew on their faces and most of them fell over.

I was wondering if anyone could explain why some people blow on people when they pray for them?

Any answers would be great! Thanks!

John 20;
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23 Whose so ever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

Alittlereality · Nov 3, 2017

Cookie-Monsta said:
Hi, I went to a friends church last night and there was a woman praying for people. While she prayed/after she prayed she blew on their faces and most of them fell over.

I was wondering if anyone could explain why some people blow on people when they pray for them?

Any answers would be great! Thanks!

Swans-your not real
Partial lyric
You are another person
When you are alone
Nothing moves inside you
No one holds you down
Girl you know it's only a feeling
You should never trust what you feel
When you forget your body
Nothing inside you is real
Nothing inside you is real
Nothing inside you is real
Nothing inside you is real
You're not real
You're not real

jiminpa · Nov 4, 2017

riverpastor said:
Why, yes... yes, it is Jim. I have missed this so much...

I haven't. He is directly responsible for a lot of good people leaving this website because it became hostile to Charismatics and Pentecostals. It was nice being able to discuss the things of God without having to defend them to one who claims to believe them, while never missing an opportunity to denounce them

jiminpa · Nov 4, 2017

tigersnare said:
tigersnare said:

Would that be like an audible "GO", or some inward pull for you?

I'm a Calvinist, God is Sovereign, we can not thwart God's plans.

If God's plan is for me to go to nations, I will go to nations. I dont make a distinction between going "in the flesh" and going "in the spirit".

Isaiah 14:24
The lord of host has sworn saying, "Surely, just as I have intended so it has happened, and just as I have planned so it will stand."
27
For the Lord of host has planned, and who can frustrate it? And as for as his stretched-out hand, who can turn it back?

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A discussion on fatalism is off topic in this thread, but you could start one in your own thread if you want.

A discussion of fatalism is off topic in this thread, but you can start such a topic of your own if you like.

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