Blessed In More Ways Than One

[gideon army]

Romans 5:1
1Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
​

We are not trying to get peace with God. We already have peace with God, having been justified by faith through our Lord Jesus Christ. This peace with God brings us the peace of God, which guards our hearts and minds. (Philippians 4:7) Then, the peace of God inside us will also translate into the peace of God outside us — in all our outward circumstances.

Firstly, we will find that what would normally cause us much care and anxiety will no longer be the case. Secondly, not only will everything turn out well, but we will also be blessed in more ways than one. This is what happens when Jesus, the Prince of Peace, is our peace.

A church member, though stricken with cancer, enjoyed the peace of God, knowing that He was her healer. She later received confirmation from two different doctors that she had been completely healed of cancer. In addition to receiving her blessing of complete healing, she also received from her insurance company a critical illness claim of S$50,000!

Another church member, upon hearing news of her retrenchment, committed the matter to God, believing that He would work all things out for her, especially her loss of a regular income. Shortly after, she received her retrenchment package — a substantial five-figure sum. And within days of her retrenchment, she received calls from her contacts in the industry, offering her jobs, two of which were jobs in well-known multinational corporations (MNCs).

At that time, she had not yet started looking for a job, so the calls were unexpected but welcomed. She finally opted to work for one of the MNCs — a dream come true for her — at a salary that was 30 per cent more than her previous one! When she simply prayed, “Abba Father, I trust You to look after me,” and rested in His love and peace, she was abundantly blessed.

Beloved, because Jesus is your peace, you are blessed in more ways than one. Your soul will prosper. Your health will prosper. Your finances will prosper. Your loved ones will be taken care of. Your relationships will flourish. You will enjoy the favor of God. All because you have the Prince of Peace!

 

[7angel]

Matthew 10

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14 Everyone who acknowledges me before others I will acknowledge before my heavenly Father.
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But whoever denies me before others, I will deny before my heavenly Father.
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"Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword.
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For I have come to set a man 'against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law;
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and one's enemies will be those of his household.'

 

[Light hearted]

Matthew 10

32
14 Everyone who acknowledges me before others I will acknowledge before my heavenly Father.
33
But whoever denies me before others, I will deny before my heavenly Father.
34
"Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword.
35
For I have come to set a man 'against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law;
36
and one's enemies will be those of his household.'

Once again I ask, why is the above verse posted?

People, know this. It is not the Bilbe that is the problem. It is the thousands of interpertations that is the problem. When you post a verse without explanation the problem is only mutiplied. Now instead of trying to figure the verse itself, we're trying to also see how the posted verse is in relationship with the original post.

 

[food4thought]

God never promised to take all our troubles, trials, and problems away; or even to solve all of them eventually. What He does promise is that we can trust Him that:

"... all things work together for the good of those who love God, who are the called according to His purpose, for whom He foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren."

Remember that Christ was rejected, tortured, and killed. He Himself said that "the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head". The apostle Paul was given a thorn in his flesh to keep him humble, and was at times destitute of material things. To say that all Christians who are truly right with God will be blessed with health and wealth is a travisty. It makes those who are ill and die out to be less faithful than those who are healed. It makes EVERY CHRISTIAN in a third world nation, with little to no personal wealth, and oftentimes short lifespans, as second class citizens of heaven.


Sorry to burst your bubble, but everything in the Christians material life is not guaranteed to prosper. Our souls, though, definitely should be prospering and bearing the fruit of the Spirit in increasing measure.

 

[gideon army]

God never promised to take all our troubles, trials, and problems away; or even to solve all of them eventually. What He does promise is that we can trust Him that:

"... all things work together for the good of those who love God, who are the called according to His purpose, for whom He foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren."

Question 1, where is Christ Now?

Question 2, where are believers now scripturally? Not interested in what preachers have said or what you feel bro, am only interested in what Scriptures has to say in the light of Jesus's finished work on the Cross. Am talking about Post Cross & NOT PREE CROSS please.

Remember that Christ was rejected, tortured, and killed. He Himself said that "the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head".

Know you not that Jesus wasn't 'killed'?

John 10:17 "Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.

John 10:18 "No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father."

have you not read that on many occassion, there were infuriated pharisees wanted to kill Jesus but they can't & never succeed?

Humm, any possibility that no one has ever preached the good news to you that Jesus went thru all the sufferings so that we need not?

Know you not that Jesus found HIS REST on the Cross being your Curse/ your sin offering to GOD & also the punishment of all you sins? Apart from the, Jesus is also your sweet aroma to GOD on your behalf?

The apostle Paul was given a thorn in his flesh to keep him humble,

Please show all readers Scriptural Proof of your above revelation- TIA

To say that all Christians who are truly right with God will beblessed with health and wealth is a travisty.

Ahem, then bet you'll have major problem in reconciling with the following scriptures :-

2 Cr 1:20 For all the promises of God in Him [are] Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us.

2 Cr 8:9 For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich

Please check the original greek word used for the above Bolded in RED, however since i love you as a dearly beloved son of the Living GOD- please try to be calm & level headed, why? Cos if you've a weak heart then pls don't check it up for am sure it'll give you high blood pressure or cardiac arrest if the truth of the above scriptures unveils itself to you

John 10:10 "The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have [it] more abundantly.

Kinda hard to be having an abundant life if one is flat broke or living from hand to mouth right? Kinda hard also to have the abundant life Jesus Promised if one is sick & flat on their back on the bed - is it?

If anyone here thinks that being poor is good then maybe you wanna tell that to millions of poor people having to sell their body organs / sell their bodies or their child?

It makes those who are ill and die out to be less faithful than those who are healed. It makes EVERY CHRISTIAN in a third world nation, with little to no personal wealth, and oftentimes short lifespans, as second class citizens of heaven.

Ahem, shall show you Scripturally the cause of all the above:-

Gal 5:4 For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God's grace. (New Living Translation)

Wow! Any Insights yet?

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed [is] everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."

Maybe you wanna do a case study/ Maybe you wanna start going thru those detailed curses of Deu 28 against those whom you are advocating for?

How many christians are observing the Law of the 10 Commandments? They think that they can keep what's ' keepable' but scriptures states otherwise:-

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one [point], he is guilty of all.

Then there's those christians who thinks that keeping the commandments are outward but JESUS lifted GOD's Pristine Standards to inner self- even the very thought is SIN hence who can keep them?

 

[7angel]

Psalms
Chapter 24
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1 A psalm of David. The earth is the LORD'S and all it holds, the world and those who live there.
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For God founded it on the seas, established it over the rivers.
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Who may go up the mountain of the LORD? Who can stand in his holy place?
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2 "The clean of hand and pure of heart, who are not devoted to idols, who have not sworn falsely.
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They will receive blessings from the LORD, and justice from their saving God.
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Such are the people that love the LORD, that seek the face of the God of Jacob." Selah

 

[tackattack]

I am blessed in many ways, by the "good things" of the world like wealth and health, etc. I am also blessed in trials and tribulations. The road is not an easy one to walk and I've seen the Word of God drive a family apart like a sword. I am at peace though when I think on the good things that are prosperous, like Christ's sacrifice, His many wonderous works, and the wonderful journey thus far.

There are no secondclass citizens in heaven. Some people just like to follow Phillipians 4:8
"Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things."

and stay focused on the positive. That verse was used for insight, not slander. Perhaps the verse about thorns in question was 2 Corinthians 12:7-10.

Sometimes Gideon, I really agree with you sometimes I'm confused.I'm completely in agreeance with your OP, but then you say

Kinda hard to be having an abundant life if one is flat broke or living from hand to mouth right? Kinda hard also to have the abundant life Jesus Promised if one is sick & flat on their back on the bed - is it?

If anyone here thinks that being poor is good then maybe you wanna tell that to millions of poor people having to sell their body organs / sell their bodies or their child?

IF Christ has taught me anything, it's that monetary riches and wealth mean nothing. Redefining what we consider to be a blessing or what makes us rich is at teh very core of being a Christian for me.
I am truly sorry for those who's life is desperate and hard, and do try and help (althought admittedly not nearly enough), but let's not teach that an abundant life full of Christ's richness has anything to do with how full your belly is or how fat your wallet is.

 

[food4thought]

Question 1, where is Christ Now?

Question 2, where are believers now scripturally? Not interested in what preachers have said or what you feel bro, am only interested in what Scriptures has to say in the light of Jesus's finished work on the Cross. Am talking about Post Cross & NOT PREE CROSS please.

1) Christ is seated at the right hand of God on high (Eph 1:20; Heb 8:1)
2) Believers are in Christ (Rom 8:1-2; 2Cor:5:17; Eph 2:6; etc)

Know you not that Jesus wasn't 'killed'?

John 10:17 "Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.

John 10:18 "No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father."

have you not read that on many occassion, there were infuriated pharisees wanted to kill Jesus but they can't & never succeed?

I know Christ died for us all voluntarily, you are simply splitting hairs in the way I said it. Christ WAS tortured and put to death on the cross. That was my point.

Humm, any possibility that no one has ever preached the good news to you that Jesus went thru all the sufferings so that we need not?

really... scripture reference that says this?

Know you not that Jesus found HIS REST on the Cross being your Curse/ your sin offering to GOD & also the punishment of all you sins? Apart from the, Jesus is also your sweet aroma to GOD on your behalf?

again, scrpiture reference for the underlined statement?

Please show all readers Scriptural Proof of your above revelation- TIA

gladly... I'll even paste it here for all to read.

2Co 12:7-10 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. (8) Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me. (9) And He said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. (10) Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ's sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

I will let these scriptures speak for themselves, unless of course you desire me to interpret this EXTREMELY vague and difficult to understand passage lol.

Ahem, then bet you'll have major problem in reconciling with the following scriptures :-

2 Cr 1:20 For all the promises of God in Him [are] Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us.

2 Cr 8:9 For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich

Please check the original greek word used for the above Bolded in RED, however since i love you as a dearly beloved son of the Living GOD- please try to be calm & level headed, why? Cos if you've a weak heart then pls don't check it up for am sure it'll give you high blood pressure or cardiac arrest if the truth of the above scriptures unveils itself to you

I have no problem with these verses. It is quite obvious in conetxt that Paul was speaking of spiritual riches, especialy when this is taken from the same book as my above quote. Here, let me post the rest of the context of 2Cor 8:

2Co 8:1-9 Moreover, brethren, we make known to you the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia: (2) that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded in the riches of their liberality. (3) For I bear witness that according to their ability, yes, and beyond their ability, they were freely willing, (4) imploring us with much urgency that we would receive the gift and the fellowship of the ministering to the saints. (5) And not only as we had hoped, but they first gave themselves to the Lord, and then to us by the will of God. (6) So we urged Titus, that as he had begun, so he would also complete this grace in you as well. (7) But as you abound in everything—in faith, in speech, in knowledge, in all diligence, and in your love for us—see that you abound in this grace also. (8) I speak not by commandment, but I am testing the sincerity of your love by the diligence of others. (9) For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich.

maybe the rest of the macedonian church, which Paul is here lifting up as an example to the Corinthians, was stuck in great legalism and lack of faith to produce their poverty... but I kind of doubt that.

john 10:10

"The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have [it] more abundantly.

no problems with this verse either

Kinda hard to be having an abundant life if one is flat broke or living from hand to mouth right? Kinda hard also to have the abundant life Jesus Promised if one is sick & flat on their back on the bed - is it?

Luk 12:15 And He said to them, "Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one's life does not consist in the abundance of the things he possesses."

hmm... maybe Paul would agree with his Lord here. Perhaps the abundant life is made up of abundance of the Spirit, fruit of the Spirit, and prosperity of ones soul...

If anyone here thinks that being poor is good then maybe you wanna tell that to millions of poor people having to sell their body organs / sell their bodies or their child?

nowhere did I say that being extremely poor is a good thing, I am simply attempting to correct your view that people that suffer from poverty and disease are not lacking faith, or relating to Gid in any sort of wrong way. God uses these circumstances to test us, and at times these tests take our lives.

Ahem, shall show you Scripturally the cause of all the above:-

Gal 5:4 For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God's grace. (New Living Translation)

Wow! Any Insights yet?

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed [is] everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."

Maybe you wanna do a case study/ Maybe you wanna start going thru those detailed curses of Deu 28 against those whom you are advocating for?

How many christians are observing the Law of the 10 Commandments? They think that they can keep what's ' keepable' but scriptures states otherwise:-

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one [point], he is guilty of all.

Then there's those christians who thinks that keeping the commandments are outward but JESUS lifted GOD's Pristine Standards to inner self- even the very thought is SIN hence who can keep them?

so you claim to know the heart of every sick and dieing believer in every country of the world? You KNOW that they are all legalists? EXTRAORDINARY!!!!

Brother, I am sorry if some of my comments come across as judgmental. I do not judge you or your salvation, I am simply trying to correct some of your thinking that is EXTREMELY judgmental of poor and unhealthy brothers and sisters throughout the world. May our Lord and Savior open your eyes. Amen

 

[Fulcrum]

Thank you for making your excellent last post food4thought. Spiritual well being is the context of scripture.

 

[thesunisout]

Excuse me gideon, but have you ever read the rules of this forum?

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Romans 5:1
1Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
​

We are not trying to get peace with God. We already have peace with God, having been justified by faith through our Lord Jesus Christ. This peace with God brings us the peace of God, which guards our hearts and minds. (Philippians 4:7) Then, the peace of God inside us will also translate into the peace of God outside us — in all our outward circumstances.

Firstly, we will find that what would normally cause us much care and anxiety will no longer be the case. Secondly, not only will everything turn out well, but we will also be blessed in more ways than one. This is what happens when Jesus, the Prince of Peace, is our peace.

A church member, though stricken with cancer, enjoyed the peace of God, knowing that He was her healer. She later received confirmation from two different doctors that she had been completely healed of cancer. In addition to receiving her blessing of complete healing, she also received from her insurance company a critical illness claim of S$50,000!

Another church member, upon hearing news of her retrenchment, committed the matter to God, believing that He would work all things out for her, especially her loss of a regular income. Shortly after, she received her retrenchment package — a substantial five-figure sum. And within days of her retrenchment, she received calls from her contacts in the industry, offering her jobs, two of which were jobs in well-known multinational corporations (MNCs).

At that time, she had not yet started looking for a job, so the calls were unexpected but welcomed. She finally opted to work for one of the MNCs — a dream come true for her — at a salary that was 30 per cent more than her previous one! When she simply prayed, “Abba Father, I trust You to look after me,” and rested in His love and peace, she was abundantly blessed.

Beloved, because Jesus is your peace, you are blessed in more ways than one. Your soul will prosper. Your health will prosper. Your finances will prosper. Your loved ones will be taken care of. Your relationships will flourish. You will enjoy the favor of God. All because you have the Prince of Peace!

 

[gideon army]

Hi there food4thought,

Appreciative thanks for your reply, now in case this gets digress or lost from the core in the midst of this 'discussion' between us, am attaching 'quotes' between ourselves.

Now it started with you stating the following in respond to my Original post in this thread:-

(1a)

God never promised to take all our troubles, trials, and problems away; or even to solve all of them eventually. What He does promise is that we can trust Him that:

Hence i asked you:-

(1b)

Question 1, where is Christ Now?

Question 2, where are believers now scripturally? Not interested in what preachers have said or what you feel bro, am only interested in what Scriptures has to say in the light of Jesus's finished work on the Cross. Am talking about Post Cross & NOT PREE CROSS please.

Hence you replied-

(1c)

1) Christ is seated at the right hand of God on high (Eph 1:20; Heb 8:1)
2) Believers are in Christ (Rom 8:1-2; 2Cor:5:17; Eph 2:6; etc)

You have answered correctly & Scripturally + very rightly dividing His Word from Pre & Pross Cross Am super very IMPRESSED So much better than some that thinks they are wise but are fools- My Ytmost Respect.

Now, if Believers (true Believers who are Born again Christians & knows what is pre & pross cross) who are IN Christ & Christ is seated in heavenly places, ops- sorry- IT should rightly read: Christ is seated at the Riight hand of GOD in heavenly places then how can troubles, trials, and problems not bring us goodness in tangible assets?

Question & food for thought at the same time, if a believer truely believes that they are IN Christ & Christ is really seated at the Father's right hand on high then how come the believers can claim that they are afflicted with proverty / sickness & so forth?

I know Christ died for us all voluntarily, you are simply splitting hairs in the way I said it. Christ WAS tortured and put to death on the cross. That was my point.

Sorry, english isn't my 1st language hence am sure it's not up to par with many esteem members here which am sure yours are equally good.

Nope, i do not know that you know Christ Lay His Life down hence i need to ask- i apologize for inconveniencing you thru asking.

Asked because there's a huge singnificance to the difference between 'Kill' & Laying His life.

Any chance my dictionary is crappy? You'll be the judge of thhat since my English isn't up to par

gladly... I'll even paste it here for all to read.

2Co 12:7-10 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. (8) Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me. (9) And He said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. (10) Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ's sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

Galatians was written in the year of 57 AD & 2nd Corinthians was written shortly after Romans in 58 AD Please kindly keep in mind these dates for they are of high importance for one to understand circumstances surrounding Paul's thorn in the flesh & who he terms messangers from SATAN

Why am i showing you this - you might ask. The thorn In Paul's flesh comes from Judaizers & Self Righteous Jerks in those Pharisees after Paul wrote in Romans 2 about the difference in keeping the LAW & those justified by GOD & hence in:-

Rom 3:8 And [why] not [say], "Let us do evil that good may come"?--as we are slanderously reported and as some affirm that we say. Their condemnation is just.

Then paul wrote again in:-

Romans 5:20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,

After writing the above, Paul was accuse of preaching Grace to a point that he was misunderstood hence in :-

Rom 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

Can you see the conflicting messages paul was presenting & having constantly to justfy himself?

Can anyone not know from reading the furnished scriptures above CRYSTAL Clear that there were countless early Church ppl coming against Paul?

If above isn't conclusive that the early church were coming agaainst paul then how about:-

Gal 2:11 Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed;

Gal 2:12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision.

Gal 2:13 And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.


Wow, imagine paul who was present when stephen was stoned rebuking peter Btw, this is the same peter that walk/sleep & witness Jesus's miracles+ walk on water

James was the chief man in the Jerusalem church & those guys were from James Oh this is the same james that is part of the original 12

Now, did paul compromise on the Gospel of Jesus Christ?

Now, hope you got the THORN part in paul's epistle but let's see SATAN messanger part shall we?

Eph 6:12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual [hosts] of wickedness in the heavenly [places].

Happy? satisfied & Conculsive enough for you?

Revelations Paul spoke about are the revelations in all his epistle that goes against SELF works/ Self Righteousness. Trannslated- paul could have & would have expounded much more scriptures revelations without constant need to justify his revelations if it's not those THORNS from MESSANGERS of SATAN

Actually you said earlier :-

I will let these scriptures speak for themselves, unless of course you desire me to interpret this EXTREMELY vague and difficult to understand passage lol.

Now, you sure you understand? Sure it's EXTREMELY Vague for me or you?

I have no problem with these verses. It is quite obvious in conetxt that Paul was speaking of spiritual riches, especialy when this is taken from the same book as my above quote. Here, let me post the rest of the context of 2Cor 8:

2Co 8:1-9 Moreover, brethren, we make known to you the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia: (2) that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded in the riches of their liberality. (3) For I bear witness that according to their ability, yes, and beyond their ability, they were freely willing, (4) imploring us with much urgency that we would receive the gift and the fellowship of the ministering to the saints. (5) And not only as we had hoped, but they first gave themselves to the Lord, and then to us by the will of God. (6) So we urged Titus, that as he had begun, so he would also complete this grace in you as well. (7) But as you abound in everything—in faith, in speech, in knowledge, in all diligence, and in your love for us—see that you abound in this grace also. (8) I speak not by commandment, but I am testing the sincerity of your love by the diligence of others. (9) For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was (1) rich, yet for your sakes He became (2) poor, that you through His (3) poverty might become (4) rich.

Btw, am sure you & many self respecting christians know that the NT was written in the GREEK?

Now, since you've boasted of your Scriptures expertise earlier & in the above which i've highlighted & bolded them in RED from which you claim it's SPIRITUAL Riches?

Please check it up in any concordance what is the English meaning from the Greek in the abbove Scriptures which you've quoted from 2 Cr 8:9 please? Have bolded in red & numbered them for your easy reference

Luk 12:15 And He said to them, "Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one's life does not consist in the abundance of the things he possesses."

hmm... maybe Paul would agree with his Lord here. Perhaps the abundant life is made up of abundance of the Spirit, fruit of the Spirit, and prosperity of ones soul...

Actually, you are referring to paul in agreement with the LORD from:-

1 Ti 6:10 For of money is a root of all [kinds of] evil ?

Humm, you're right- i apologize At least that is what i've been hearing it preached by thousand of believers & pastors alike.

Heh wait a min!! Ops, thousand apologies yet again- typo error! It should read:-

1 Ti 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all [kinds of] evil ?

Hallelujah! Praise the name of Jesus! Now, can a beggar from having NOTHING loving money?

If having money & being rich then poor Abraham/ Isaac/ Jacob/ Joseph / king david/ king solomon (riches man ever lived) & ops, sorry again, believer scriptures states somewhere that all believers are blessed with the blessings of Abraham?

Wait a min, i suddennly recall this following verse:-

2 Cr 1:20 Forall the promises of God in Him [are] Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us.

Any chance the Holy Spirit let slip & made a mistake via paul when paul pen the above? Why?

Since you're such an expert expositor of the Scriptures which you RIGHTLY claim it yourself then please show us a sample of promises of GOD- Chooses carefully please

Now i've answered the 1st few salvo from you as methodical as possible & found so many erroneously interpretation of empirical proposition (huge chance my Bible & Concordance is crappy just like my dictionary or my understanding & typing of English is servely lacking? ) hence i doubt that i need to answer the rest at this juncture.

 

[tackattack]

Did you just intentionally misquote the Bible to accentuate your point Gideon?

 

[gideon army]

Hi There Tackattack,

My apologies for not being to able in addressing concerns brought up by you earlier.

Believe you & many by now should know that my English is serverly lacking hence needs to counter check dictionary & thesaurus for meaning+ comcordance for the actual Original Hebrew or Greek word used for any given particular word used since i believe many if not all would agree that any self respecting child of the most high Living GOD would do so as to bring the full richness of the intended meaning out right?

Now, believe that you & all readers would also agree that in order to know the meaning of some particular 'hazy' word/instruction & so forth, one needs to check background / circumstances surrounding a given scenario right?

Oh that includes who are the particular rebuke was for & to give you & all readers a insight-

Matt 12:34 "Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

Matt 12:35 "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.

Now i specifically used the above verses as a reference point, why? I've heard many a 'priests' / pastors from various denominations quoting the above verse to wayward teenanges (i was once a super wayward teen) & my utterance were full of expletives & quick to anger Am Guilty as Changed & till today, my expletives haven't left me. I was told / taught that GOD hates ppl who have a 'dirty' (evil mouth).

I was brought up in a very strict/ stunch practicing catholic family & schooled in the catholic school system. I served in the RCC church as an alter boy & was rebuke many a times by priests for being evil & not going for CONFESSION of SINS.

However later i learn to check & saw that Jesus harshest words/ curses were RESERVED especially for those self righteous jerks pharisees Lo & Behold, NOT 1 sinner or might i add, GREAT Sinner were ever rebuked by Jesus Not only that, Jesus defended every GREAT Sinner who came to Him & rebuke instead those self righteous pharisees

Question: what are pharisees?

Do you not know that in the NT, unbelief is SIN? However how many times Jesus's disciples were in deep unbelief yet Jesus's rebuke to them are of love & patience like : Oh you of little faith? Find me 1 harsh rebuke Jesus have of His disciples

Don't know if you know NT Scriptural definition of an EVIL person?

1 Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,

1 Ti 4:2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,

Am sure as a dearly beloved son of GOD that you are & also the king that Christ has made you, you would want to SEARCH out the true meaning of the above olded in Red Original Greek word used right?

Seared with a Hot Iron in the Greek kaustēriazō which means: who carry about with them the perpetual consciousness of sin

My LORD my GOD, what have we been preached throughout these 2 centuries? Don't be upset with me please, i know it''s not conventional 'worldly wsdom' but may i remmind you & all readers here that the above verses & interpretation isn't ORIGINAL with me hence reserve any bickering against me.

Believed you said earlier:-

Did you just intentionally misquote the Bible to accentuate your point Gideon?

I know you are not referring to this latest post of mine, however am furnishing you an example & please kindly do enlighten me of my 'misquotations'.

However my very strong suggestions, before you reply - kindly INVESTIGATE NT slowly / carefully & properly. (HINT) milk each verse, compare & contrast OT from where NT quoted from My gift to you as a covenant brother for i want you filled with revelations after revelations instead of .............

From Matt 12:34-35 example furnished, hope you'll see how many DECAPITATED Chickens running around in th christian community or to be scripturally correct: 'Blind Leading the Blind' & both falling into the ditch in which i fell damn hard when i was full of self condemnation in my formative teenage years.

Ok, now to answer your earlier post addressing to me shall we?

I am blessed in many ways, by the "good things" of the world like wealth and health, etc. I am also blessed in trials and tribulations.

Serched meanings for trials & tribulations & guess what i find from online Merriam webster dictionary & guess what i find?

Words Related to TRIBULATION
Synonyms: affliction, agony, anguish, excruciation, hurt, misery, pain, rack, strait(s), torment, torture, travail, distress, woe

Humm, if the above is to hold water then am wondering why the Holy Spirit pen this:-

Hebrews 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also (1) Mediator of a better covenant, which was (2) established on better promises

Humm kindly put on the brightest light possible on me in what i will be sharing on the above to see if i am twisting Scriptures or in your own words: Misquoting Scriptures?

(1) Better Covenant speaks of Jesus's Covenant with the FATHER on our Behalf right? That leaves the sinaitic covenant as 'inferior' & old right?

Now in the OLD & Inferior Sinaitic Covenant, it was cut by GOD & Men right? Am sure you know that the Çovenant Keepers' needs to keep their side of the promised hence the bbreaker of the covenant shall expect to be punish right?

Hence if one is to read Deu 28 (can you see in Deu 28 - sickness/ proverty/ lack & much more are cursing from broken Laws), there's blessings & cursing yes? Blesssed when one keeps but cursed when 1 fails hence for nearly 1400 years after the Sinaitic Covenant was cut, men ended up on the shorter end of cursing which explains why GOD said that it's a dying way/ Mininstry of Death.

Can you not say that it's DEPENDANT on the Convenant party? Imagine a corruptible weak men cutting with a perfectly perfect GOD

Now back to Hebrews 8:6, pray tell me- if on the old 'lousy' covenant that is depandant on men that blesses for kept Laws (inwardly & outwardly- Jesus Himself said it, + if 1 fail in any, then he/she failed in ALL-James) & curses when one fails, WHY then if it's a BETTER Covenant Cut by Jesus Himself causes the believers In Christ experiencing the curses of Deu 28

Jesus cut that New Covenant with GOD right? Now, rightfully who gets punished if covenant gets broken?

Hebrews 8:6 also states unequivocally that it's established on BETTER Promises right? But how many times have we hear preaching that seems the NEW Covenant are Established on Worse Curses?

Am sure you have read:-

Gal 3:13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed [is] everyone who hangs on a tree"),

I've check on the Greek word used for 'REDEEMED' it's in the past tense which means that it is an act never to be repeated ever again Jesus successfully taken all our curses upon HIMSELF when He hung on the Cross. HE could lay His life down by stoning (it was the common practice of that day by the Jews- read stephen ) but why would Jesus choose the Cross?

I am not interested with that the world says nor pastors even, believe you should also for we are beloved sons of the living GOD & hence should we not be concern what Scriptures says instead?

If one is to read Scriptures in the Light of the NT Finished Work of Jesus which is perfect, one will see causes as to why believers are Not REIGNING in LIFE or did Scriptures state that we REIGN AFTER Life or in the Life affter this?

Ask yourself, why the Holy Spirit specifically took great pains to use the word REIGN?

This post i hope will give you clues as to why believers are NOT reigning in life for by now am sure you know that Scriptures are NOT Original with me (thank GOD) & again, it needs to be interpreted properly as demostrated to you above.

Shalom.

 

[tackattack]

Below was the part I noticed you intentionally misquoting the Bible

Actually, you are referring to paul in agreement with the LORD from:-

1 Ti 6:10 For of money is a root of all [kinds of] evil ?

Humm, you're right- i apologize At least that is what i've been hearing it preached by thousand of believers & pastors alike.

Heh wait a min!! Ops, thousand apologies yet again- typo error! It should read:-

1 Ti 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all [kinds of] evil ?

No need for apologies as this is a forum and there is plenty of time to come back to a post and addess it if it has been missed. I didn't feel slighted brother and your english seems fine to me.

My point with the earlier post was simple. In talks about which covenant are we under, or whether we are to suffer as Christians or feel blessed. Well I'd like to use 1 Peter 3:13-17 for my point.


"And who is there to harm you if you prove zealous for what is good? 14 But even if you should suffer for the sake of righteousness, you are blessed. And do not fear their intimidation, and do not be troubled, 15 but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence; 16 and keep a good conscience so that in the thing in which you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame. 17 For it is better, if God should will it so, that you suffer for doing what is right rather than for doing what is wrong."

Suffering often is seen as aprerequisite for Christians. How many of the Apostles died in prisons? They knew of suffering as well.

let's look at the word blessed (makarioi) if you use your resources you'll see its not about being happy about your wealth or "feeling good" or delightfulness. It's about being "highly privileged". It's also used in Matt 5:3-11 take a good look at that.

Some people take the wealth and happiness dogma in Christianity too far. It's not the blessings of riches that people should seek. Nor should we actually be expected to physically enjoy physical suffering. It's about accepting the gift God has given us of salvation, with no expectation and putting everything else atteh foot of the cross. Too many people "follow Christ" because it's what they were raised as, want a reward or fear death or Hell. My point was to do just what was asked of us in Phillipian 4:8.

I agree with your point on the new vs. the old covenant. I agree that God wants us to celebrate the gifts he has given us, and think we should also appreciate the suffering, both are signs that we are highly privileged. but never miss the fact we shouldn't be focusing on it but constantly struggling for a closer walk with Christ,

Hi There Tackattack,

My apologies for not being to able in addressing concerns brought up by you earlier.

Believe you & many by now should know that my English is serverly lacking hence needs to counter check dictionary & thesaurus for meaning+ comcordance for the actual Original Hebrew or Greek word used for any given particular word used since i believe many if not all would agree that any self respecting child of the most high Living GOD would do so as to bring the full richness of the intended meaning out right?

Now, believe that you & all readers would also agree that in order to know the meaning of some particular 'hazy' word/instruction & so forth, one needs to check background / circumstances surrounding a given scenario right?

Oh that includes who are the particular rebuke was for & to give you & all readers a insight-

Matt 12:34 "Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

Matt 12:35 "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.

Now i specifically used the above verses as a reference point, why? I've heard many a 'priests' / pastors from various denominations quoting the above verse to wayward teenanges (i was once a super wayward teen) & my utterance were full of expletives & quick to anger Am Guilty as Changed & till today, my expletives haven't left me. I was told / taught that GOD hates ppl who have a 'dirty' (evil mouth).

I was brought up in a very strict/ stunch practicing catholic family & schooled in the catholic school system. I served in the RCC church as an alter boy & was rebuke many a times by priests for being evil & not going for CONFESSION of SINS.

However later i learn to check & saw that Jesus harshest words/ curses were RESERVED especially for those self righteous jerks pharisees Lo & Behold, NOT 1 sinner or might i add, GREAT Sinner were ever rebuked by Jesus Not only that, Jesus defended every GREAT Sinner who came to Him & rebuke instead those self righteous pharisees

Question: what are pharisees?

Do you not know that in the NT, unbelief is SIN? However how many times Jesus's disciples were in deep unbelief yet Jesus's rebuke to them are of love & patience like : Oh you of little faith? Find me 1 harsh rebuke Jesus have of His disciples

Don't know if you know NT Scriptural definition of an EVIL person?

1 Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,

1 Ti 4:2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,

Am sure as a dearly beloved son of GOD that you are & also the king that Christ has made you, you would want to SEARCH out the true meaning of the above olded in Red Original Greek word used right?

Seared with a Hot Iron in the Greek kaustēriazō which means: who carry about with them the perpetual consciousness of sin

My LORD my GOD, what have we been preached throughout these 2 centuries? Don't be upset with me please, i know it''s not conventional 'worldly wsdom' but may i remmind you & all readers here that the above verses & interpretation isn't ORIGINAL with me hence reserve any bickering against me.

Believed you said earlier:-




I know you are not referring to this latest post of mine, however am furnishing you an example & please kindly do enlighten me of my 'misquotations'.

However my very strong suggestions, before you reply - kindly INVESTIGATE NT slowly / carefully & properly. (HINT) milk each verse, compare & contrast OT from where NT quoted from My gift to you as a covenant brother for i want you filled with revelations after revelations instead of .............

From Matt 12:34-35 example furnished, hope you'll see how many DECAPITATED Chickens running around in th christian community or to be scripturally correct: 'Blind Leading the Blind' & both falling into the ditch in which i fell damn hard when i was full of self condemnation in my formative teenage years.

Ok, now to answer your earlier post addressing to me shall we?



Serched meanings for trials & tribulations & guess what i find from online Merriam webster dictionary & guess what i find?

Words Related to TRIBULATION
Synonyms: affliction, agony, anguish, excruciation, hurt, misery, pain, rack, strait(s), torment, torture, travail, distress, woe

Humm, if the above is to hold water then am wondering why the Holy Spirit pen this:-

Hebrews 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also (1) Mediator of a better covenant, which was (2) established on better promises

Humm kindly put on the brightest light possible on me in what i will be sharing on the above to see if i am twisting Scriptures or in your own words: Misquoting Scriptures?

(1) Better Covenant speaks of Jesus's Covenant with the FATHER on our Behalf right? That leaves the sinaitic covenant as 'inferior' & old right?

Now in the OLD & Inferior Sinaitic Covenant, it was cut by GOD & Men right? Am sure you know that the Çovenant Keepers' needs to keep their side of the promised hence the bbreaker of the covenant shall expect to be punish right?

Hence if one is to read Deu 28 (can you see in Deu 28 - sickness/ proverty/ lack & much more are cursing from broken Laws), there's blessings & cursing yes? Blesssed when one keeps but cursed when 1 fails hence for nearly 1400 years after the Sinaitic Covenant was cut, men ended up on the shorter end of cursing which explains why GOD said that it's a dying way/ Mininstry of Death.

Can you not say that it's DEPENDANT on the Convenant party? Imagine a corruptible weak men cutting with a perfectly perfect GOD

Now back to Hebrews 8:6, pray tell me- if on the old 'lousy' covenant that is depandant on men that blesses for kept Laws (inwardly & outwardly- Jesus Himself said it, + if 1 fail in any, then he/she failed in ALL-James) & curses when one fails, WHY then if it's a BETTER Covenant Cut by Jesus Himself causes the believers In Christ experiencing the curses of Deu 28

Jesus cut that New Covenant with GOD right? Now, rightfully who gets punished if covenant gets broken?

Hebrews 8:6 also states unequivocally that it's established on BETTER Promises right? But how many times have we hear preaching that seems the NEW Covenant are Established on Worse Curses?

Am sure you have read:-

Gal 3:13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed [is] everyone who hangs on a tree"),

I've check on the Greek word used for 'REDEEMED' it's in the past tense which means that it is an act never to be repeated ever again Jesus successfully taken all our curses upon HIMSELF when He hung on the Cross. HE could lay His life down by stoning (it was the common practice of that day by the Jews- read stephen ) but why would Jesus choose the Cross?

I am not interested with that the world says nor pastors even, believe you should also for we are beloved sons of the living GOD & hence should we not be concern what Scriptures says instead?

If one is to read Scriptures in the Light of the NT Finished Work of Jesus which is perfect, one will see causes as to why believers are Not REIGNING in LIFE or did Scriptures state that we REIGN AFTER Life or in the Life affter this?

Ask yourself, why the Holy Spirit specifically took great pains to use the word REIGN?

This post i hope will give you clues as to why believers are NOT reigning in life for by now am sure you know that Scriptures are NOT Original with me (thank GOD) & again, it needs to be interpreted properly as demostrated to you above.

Shalom.

 

[gideon army]

Hi there dearly Beloved of our Lord's food4thought

Need to apologize yet again for in my haste, i've missed the following & left them out when answering your salvo .

May i be allowed to start? Let's go shall we?

Humm, any possibility that no one has ever preached the good news to you that Jesus went thru all the sufferings so that we need not?

Then you replied:-

really... scripture reference that says this?

Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected by men, A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, [our] faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.

ISA 53:4 Surely He has borne our griefs And carried our sorrows; Yet we esteemed Him stricken, Smitten by God, and afflicted.

ISA 53:5 But He [was] wounded for our transgressions, [He was] bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace [was] upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed.

Humm, believe that since you're an excellent expositor & interpretator of the Scriptures then am sure you know that OT was written in the Hebrew? Am sure you also know that there's many words the English OKJ & NKJV or NIV & so forth) might not be able to bring the true intensity of the word used (Hebrew/ Greek) hence any self respecting child of the Living GOD who is serious to know the mysteries of the Scriptures will search them out using Concordance right?

Chastisment in the Hebrew here is a noun & speaks of discipline, chastening, correction.

Question: If Christ carried my 'Discipline' which many christians says that GOD teaches believers thru suffering then why on earth did Christ have to go thru them?

In the OT, the Jews have yearly forgiveness of Sins & if their sacrificial lamb is good, then they are forgiven & GOD blesses them.

What is Christ known as? Lamb of GOD? Perfect without blemish? If natural lowly animal like the lamb can give yearly forgiveness as my subsitute then GOD Himself / Christ can't give eternal forgiveness?

If GOD Accepts the lamb in the natural & the lamb dies for the person who offered it & later the same person is blessed & now Christ as the believer sacrifice didn't take away death/sins & everything specifically that relates to 'death' like bankruptcies/ death of marriage/ nearing death like terminal sickness?

If what Christiandom preaches is to be believed (especially your beliefs) then who is Christ to you? What is Christ to you? How much you know of HIM?

Bless you with this song which is Scriptural

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtR5-OoMhPM&feature=related

Isa 53:4 states surely & in the Hebrew, it's also surely or very affirmative! Did HE or did HE not take away believers being dispised/ rejection / griefs & sorrow/sickness or did HE Not?

Answer the above carefully please, if you say that believers are Believing Correctly experiencing these then Scriptures are written by lairs?

Again, i urge you to read the NT to find out what are the causes of believers NOT Walking in the GLORY that our LORD as bestowed upon all believers.

Btw, Griefs in the Hebrew is choliy חֳלִי
When translated reads: sickness

As for Sorrows, in the Hebrew is mak'ob מַכְאֹב
When translated reads: pain (Physical & mental), sorrow

If still NOT Convinced that Jesus Really carried all the above & More for the believers In HIM then how about Matt's version:-

Matt 8:16 When evening had come, they brought to Him many who were demon-possessed. And He cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were sick,

Matt 8:17 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying: "He Himself took our infirmities And bore [our] sicknesses."


I like the above, do you? Anybody have any stones to throw at matthew/ Why? If you compare & contrast against Matthew with Isaiah & when furnished with the original Hebrew word/meaning used - matthew changed it or was it the Holy Spirit? PLEASE READ & COMPARE ISAIAH VERSUS MATT again & again.

Now, Gospel of Matt clearly states (Crystal Clear) that it's Jesus HIMSELF, praise The LORD- why? Cos if it's any human or even angels then i know i am in for a huge disappointment but it"s Jesus Himself No? Can He ever fail? If it's Jesus who carried all those 'bad stuffs' then kinda oxymoron that believers have to carry right?

Shall dedicated/bless you with a song which speaks of Jesus's work on that Cross which is Scriptural

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=groffXLGkMw&feature=related

Ok for the next 1 that i've left out in replying to food4thought

He Himself said that "the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head".

I counted with :-

Know you not that Jesus found HIS REST on the Cross being your Curse/ your sin offering to GOD & also the punishment of all you sins? Apart from the, Jesus is also your sweet aroma to GOD on your behalf?

really... scripture reference that says this?

As usual, your request is my pleasure

I think food4thought was quoting from:-

Matt 8:20 And Jesus said to him, "Foxes have holes and birds of the air [have] nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay [His] head."

or

Luke 9:58 And Jesus said to him, "Foxes have holes and birds of the air [have] nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay [His] head."

Now, shall bring to all readers attention the following reciprocating verse:-

John 19:30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit

See, Jesus found His REST redeeming us from all our sins (past/ present/ future), sickness/ sorrows/ infirmaties/ rejection & much more

Ops, before anybody starts accusing me of misquoting Scriptures or twisting them to suit what i want to see, have conveniently BOLDED in RED Lay from Matt 8:20 & Luke 9:58, then also did the same for John 19:30 'bowing'

Just that you know, Lay & Bowing in the greek is the same word used & it is klinō which means in a place for repose

Checked online marriam dictionary for meaning to REPOSE & walla, it's: to lie at rest

Now food4thought, are you so certain now?

 

[gideon army]

Thank you tackattack for your swift respond

Below was the part I noticed you intentionally misquoting the Bible

Did you not read or somehow missed myself qualifying myself why am mis-quoting Scriptures? May i be allowed to re-furnished you in it's entirety?

Hi there food4thought,

1 Ti 6:10 For of money is a root of all [kinds of] evil ?

Humm, you're right- i apologize At least that is what i've been hearing it preached by thousand of believers & pastors alike.

Heh wait a min!! Ops, thousand apologies yet again- typo error! It should read:-

1 Ti 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all [kinds of] evil ?

Hallelujah! Praise the name of Jesus! Now, can a beggar from having NOTHING loving money?

If having money & being rich then poor Abraham/ Isaac/ Jacob/ Joseph / king david/ king solomon (riches man ever lived) & ops, sorry again, believer scriptures states somewhere that all believers are blessed with the blessings of Abraham?

Wait a min, i suddennly recall this following verse:-

2 Cr 1:20 Forall the promises of God in Him [are] Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us.

Any chance the Holy Spirit let slip & made a mistake via paul when paul pen the above? Why?

Since you're such an expert expositor of the Scriptures which you RIGHTLY claim it yourself then please show us a sample of promises of GOD- Chooses carefully please

Btw, have you done yourself the favor in:-

Hi There Tackattack,
Serched meanings for trials & tribulations & guess what i find from online Merriam webster dictionary & guess what i find?

Words Related to TRIBULATION
Synonyms: affliction, agony, anguish, excruciation, hurt, misery, pain, rack, strait(s), torment, torture, travail, distress, woe

Humm, if the above is to hold water then am wondering why the Holy Spirit pen this:-

Hebrews 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also (1) Mediator of a better covenant, which was (2) established on better promises

Humm kindly put on the brightest light possible on me in what i will be sharing on the above to see if i am twisting Scriptures or in your own words: Misquoting Scriptures?

(1) Better Covenant speaks of Jesus's Covenant with the FATHER on our Behalf right? That leaves the sinaitic covenant as 'inferior' & old right?

Now in the OLD & Inferior Sinaitic Covenant, it was cut by GOD & Men right? Am sure you know that the Çovenant Keepers' needs to keep their side of the promised hence the bbreaker of the covenant shall expect to be punish right?

Hence if one is to read Deu 28 (can you see in Deu 28 - sickness/ proverty/ lack & much more are cursing from broken Laws), there's blessings & cursing yes? Blesssed when one keeps but cursed when 1 fails hence for nearly 1400 years after the Sinaitic Covenant was cut, men ended up on the shorter end of cursing which explains why GOD said that it's a dying way/ Mininstry of Death.

Spefically the CURSING & Blessings of DEU 28 Oh about trials & tribulations also pls

I Promise you that i will answer all your points raised when you've answered the above- TIA.

Shalom

 

[Fulcrum]

When a doctrine has to be forwarded with the necessity to become a verbal or literary contortionist, then the scripture is being forced to fit some pre conceived ideas, and what a stretch that will be used at times.

Christians are persecuted and suffer throughout the world today for their beliefs, as Jesus foretold and warned about. Many are persecuted to death.

My Kingdom is not of this world.

yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

 

[gideon army]

Christians are persecuted and suffer throughout the world today for their beliefs, as Jesus foretold and warned about. Many are persecuted to death.

Are you quoting from:

Luke 21:11 "And there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven.

Luke 21:12 "But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute [you], delivering [you] up to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and rulers for My name's sake.

May i suggest that you read the above carefully / slowly as it is one of THE Misquoted Scriptures in the christiandom Big Clue for you from the Scriptures pasted above (Luke 21:11-12), then kindly compare & contrast with Mark 13 & Matt 24

Why? If what christiandowm advacates & preaches is true then the following scriptures are LIES?

Mark 8:35 "For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel's will save it.

Jesus is referring to Life here on earth If above isn't conclusive enough, then how about:-

Mark 10:29 So Jesus answered and said, "Assuredly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My sake and the gospel's,

Mark 10:30 "who shall not receive a hundredfold now in this time--houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions--and in the age to come, eternal life.

Oh my LORD my GOD! Phew, Thank & Praise The LORD that He is so darn specific! If those who preaches the REAL True Gospel of Jesus Christ, then accoording to this Scriptures (Mark 10:29-30), ought not they'll be rewarded 100 fold HER in this Lifetime On earth with HOUSES / LANDS & doesn't this refers to Prosperity cos NOBODY can say that HOUSES & LANDS isn't wealth & Many brothers & sisters- Mega Churches?? Jesus states LEAVING & Never say giving up their lives dying a martyr!

Yes, there's persecutions - look around at those churches that Preaches Pure GRACE which makes ALL of Christ & NONE of the believers. These pastors have been constanntly persecuted by brethren of the Church!

No wonder Jesus said that 'families' will be against each other The Bigger Church is a family afterall No?

Matt 19:29 "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My name's sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life

And you were also quoting from:-

John 16:2 "They will put you out of the synagogues; yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service.

Please read it again slowly & carefully then compare & contrast against the other Gospels

 

[tackattack]

1- I don't think you're seeing my point with the misquote. You quoted 1 Ti 6:10 incorrectly, then quoted it again with an apology in between. This seems like intentionally misquoting scripture, when I could never get behind, even if in jest/emphasis. Perhaps you could tell me why you quoted it twice; once incorrectly and again correctly, as opposed to just fixing your post as you were writing it?

2- I didn't really see a question to answer. I'll comment about the Mosaic covenant and Jesus' covenant if that's what you're wishing.
"Better Covenant speaks of Jesus's Covenant with the FATHER on our Behalf right?"
Yes in that verse it's better translated as mediator. So yes on our behalf with the Father.

"That leaves the sinaitic covenant as 'inferior' & old right?" God is unchanging and I don't feel his pact with the Israelites was lacking. It was temporal though, and of the tabernacle and of the flesh, while Christ's covenant was both a) based on Life as opposed to condemnation and b)Eternal

Deut. 28 clearly has tons of curses for the Isrealites, who were under the law of condemnation and death, when they don't follow those laws. That doesn't mean that all of them couldn't follow the law, Moses, Elijah, Elisha, Abraham, we'll probably see them in Heaven some day. It's not better in that it's easier (which I wanted to make sure we weren't headed that direction), because in fact it's a harder covenant, because even intent is punished under ours and at least theirs is spelled out.

Hope this is what you were asking about.. as I'm not entirely sure what you wanted a response for. Anyways, off to bed for service in the morning. God Bless,

Dave

 

[gideon army]

1- I don't think you're seeing my point with the misquote. You quoted 1 Ti 6:10 incorrectly, then quoted it again with an apology in between. This seems like intentionally misquoting scripture,

Hi Dave,

Maybe am not sufficiently articulate enough, I said that above verse are MISQUOTED / Preached by many Believers & Pastors:-

Humm, you're right- i apologize At least that is what i've been hearing it preached by thousand of believers & pastors alike.

As for:-

2- I didn't really see a question to answer. I'll comment about the Mosaic covenant and Jesus' covenant if that's what you're wishing.
"Better Covenant speaks of Jesus's Covenant with the FATHER on our Behalf right?"
Yes in that verse it's better translated as mediator. So yes on our behalf with the Father.

Questions:-

(1) Believe you know that a Prophet represent GOD to the ppl & Priest Represent Ppl to GOD?

(2)Believe you also know that in the Old Sinaitic Inferior Covenant, if the PRIEST that represent the ppl are GOOD (but ppl Bad) & GOD accepts the Priest, then the following year, there'll be an abundance of Blessings from the LORD? You also know that in the Old Inferior Covennant, GOD accepts or Rejects the believers under the account of their high priest right?

(3) Believe that you also know that Jesus is the NEW High Priest that represent believers to GOD yes? Under the Powers of an Endless Life right? Now, is Jesus 'acceptable'to The Father?

(3a) If Jesus is 'acceptable' (Mis-quoting again) "Huge CORRECTION " however my Bible states Jesus is a Joy/ Delight & darling to The Father & every thought/ word & action is a sweet aroma to the Father + Scriptures also states that Believers are IN that Sweet Aroma of Jesus to the Father hence it isn't it of great paramount for Believers to search out all that Jesus Is?

(4) If Jesus is constantly a DELIGHT to the Father & we are IN HIM then how come there's manifestation of the Curses of Deu 28 in the Believers today? Since you also knows that is a PRIEST is all about?

& Finally:-

Deut. 28 clearly has tons of curses for the Isrealites, who were under the law of condemnation and death, when they don't follow those laws. That doesn't mean that all of them couldn't follow the law, Moses, Elijah, Elisha, Abraham, we'll probably see them in Heaven some day. It's not better in that it's easier (which I wanted to make sure we weren't headed that direction), because in fact it's a harder covenant, because even intent is punished under ours and at least theirs is spelled out.

A Huge clue to your above statement lies in my earlier post when answering Food4thought.

Answer the above carefully please, if you say that believers are Believing Correctly experiencing these then Scriptures are written by lairs?

Maybe you already knows the Covenants & what Covenants entails? Short snap shot:-

(1)
You sure? Actually Scriptures is basically & intrinsically GOD love letters to us. The whole Book speaks primary of GOD the father & Jesus love for us.

Shall show you an example that Scriptures is about Jesus Himself from Jesus Himself

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself

Wow that is literally all the OT & NT also How might above applies to OT on things pertaining/ concerning Jesus one might ask.

You will find in Lev burnt offering, the sin offering, and the trespass Offering/ Peace offering- all of these are shadow of Jesus Himself.

Shall show you an 2 example of Scriptures Interpreting Scriptures

Burnt Offering

Lev 1:8 'Then the priests, Aaron's sons, shall lay the parts, the head, and the fat in order on the wood that [is] on the fire upon the altar;

Lev 1:9 'but he shall wash its entrails and its legs with water. And the priest shall burn all on the altar as a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, a sweet aroma to the LORD.

Now compare & contrast the above with the following u/m:-

John 10:17 "Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.

Whatever Jesus does, He does it in equal measure. His very being/ thought/ words/ action is pure delight to the Father hence Jesus gives off sweet aroma to the Father

If the above isn't conculsive for readers, then how about apostle paul who incidentally wrote 70% of the NT :-

Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma

Sin Offering

Lev 4:3'Now if the whole congregation of Israel sins unintentionally, and the thing is hidden from the eyes of the assembly, and they have done [something against] any of the commandments of the LORD [in anything] which should not be done, and are guilty;

Most will know of the Sinaitic Covenant & the New Covenant cut by Christ & GOD right? However wonder how many knows of the 1st Covenant? Which is known as the Abrahamic Covenant

You will read Gen 15:9-18, GOD 'cut' a covenant with abraham. Ahem, actually it was GOD the Father who cut with God the Son (Jesus) on abraham behalf. (Gen 15:17)

You will also read that in Gen 15:9-10, GOD asks abraham to prepare heifer, female goat, ram, a turtledove, and a young pigeon & then cut the animals in two (Halfs). Why/ So that is any breaks the covenant, it shall be done to the covenant breaker like the animals

Now, you understand why Christ have to come & Die on the Cross? Suspended Between Heaven & earth- Literally cut in 2!

GOD was dealing with abraham purely / strictly on GRACE (Unearned/ Undeserved/ Unmerited Free favors from GOD). Why? GOD cause abraham to sleep Gen 15:12, why? Can a corruptible human be expected to honor a covenant with a perfectly Perfect GOD? Doubt so

Hence when the Children of Israel boasted of their ability to keep all of GOD commands at Mount Sinai & hence the Sinaitic Covenant (men centered-men's ability to keep His command hence blessings & inability- cursings) replaced the abraham covenant (God's centered- His Goodness)

Now, for nearly 1400-1500 years during the Sinaitic Covenant, most ended up on the cursed side of the covenant instead of blessings which GOD wants believers to have hence Jesus have to come to fulfill all Righteousness (God's prophecies in the garden of eden to have the devil head crushed hence giving satan PHD/ Jesus also needs to fulfill the broken covenant - the Abrahamic Covenant & lastly, to clense all believers from adam to the last men, eternally of all their sins with His Blood for if there's no shedding of blood, no remission of sins Hebrews 9:22

Jesus's blood is eternal for Jesus is outside time as He is GOD & eternally efficacious. If GOD is restricted by Time then time is GOD right?

However, i'll like to bring readers to the beauty of the Scriptures, see how careful The Holy Spirit Guards Jesus divinity.

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God [did] by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh

2 Cr 5:21 For He made Him who knew no sin [to be] sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

1 John 3:5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin

Then wonder if you have missed this?

Daniel 9:24
24“Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make reconciliation for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness…
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On Sunday, we hear a message that says, “I am the righteousness of God in Christ.” On Monday, we are still confessing, “I am the righteousness of God in Christ.” But come Wednesday or Thursday, we begin to confess our sins! Then, when Sunday comes, we get a fresh revelation of our righteousness in Christ and we start to confess our righteousness again. Why do we do that?

It cannot be that on Sunday, we are righteous. Then, a few days later, we become unrighteous because of sin, but are “re-righteoused” when Sunday comes again. No, our righteousness is an “everlasting righteousness”! Jesus has obtained “eternal redemption” for us. (Hebrews 9:12)

“But bro, I have just sinned. How can I still be righteous?”

My friend, it is not what you do that makes you righteous. It is what Christ has done at Calvary. Romans 5:19 says, “For as by one man’s [Adam] disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.” It is the obedience of one Man — Christ — and not your obedience, that has made you righteous!

God wants you established in what Christ has done. He wants you conscious of your everlasting righteousness in Christ. How do you do that?You can listen to anointed messages that remind you of your righteousness in Christ. And don’t just know it in your head. Speak it. Every morning, tell yourself, “I am the righteousness of God in Christ!” (2 Corinthians 5:21)

You don’t need a revelation of how sinful you are. You know it when you sin. The devil reminds you of your sins. Even your friends and loved ones sometimes point out your sins. What you need, instead, is a revelation of how forever righteous you are in God’s eyes, especially when you sin.

Many Christians are defeated simply because they give in to the Devil when Satan himself comes to each believers to remind them of their sins thru various guise, know therefore even Scriptures asks the Believers to fix their eyes on Jesus as in 2 Cr 3:18: But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord. It doesn't says that one needs to 'work' to change themselves does it? It's all HIS Grace that transforms the Believers into HIS Image when we behold (listening to anointed sermons proclaiming the beauty / loveliness/ majesties & all other attributes of Christ's Himself & how HE has Justified ALL from ALL things that the Law of Moses cannot Acts 13:39)

To those who are Interested, the 'Unveiled Face' in 2 Cr 3:18 speaks of the Law (Law is what one does for GOD, as for Grace, it's what GOD does for the believers) from which Bible must interpret Bible & it was expounded by Paul in an earlier passage : But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. 2 Cr 3:15

Am sure all believers know that the first 5 books in the OT are written by Moses right? Basically if one is under the Law then he/she cannot see Jesus in them (1st 5 books of Moses). Just to furnish a few examples, (1) all the sacrifices in Leviticus speaks of Jesus or the shadow of Jesus Himself which came in the Flesh to fulfill (2) Jesus is the ROCK at Horeb, He was stricken & water flowed out for the Children of Israel to drink EXD 17:6 compare & contrast with Jesus's work on the Cross from which blessings flowed (3) Jesus is the Bronze serpent in which HE must be lifted & whosoever looked at it, lived Numbers 21:9 even prophet isaiah prophesied- So shall they fear The name of the LORD from the west, And His glory from the rising of the sun; When the enemy comes in like a flood, The Spirit of the LORD will lift up a standard against him. Isa 59:19

And when you are conscious of this gift of righteousness that is everlasting, you will reign in life! (Romans 5:17) You will reign over sin, bad habits, sicknesses, lack and everything that holds you back from a victorious life!