Blessed In More Ways Than One

[tackattack]

Hi Dave,

Maybe am not sufficiently articulate enough, I said that above verse are MISQUOTED / Preached by many Believers & Pastors:-



As for:-



Questions:-

(1) Believe you know that a Prophet represent GOD to the ppl & Priest Represent Ppl to GOD?

(2)Believe you also know that in the Old Sinaitic Inferior Covenant, if the PRIEST that represent the ppl are GOOD (but ppl Bad) & GOD accepts the Priest, then the following year, there'll be an abundance of Blessings from the LORD? You also know that in the Old Inferior Covennant, GOD accepts or Rejects the believers under the account of their high priest right?

(3) Believe that you also know that Jesus is the NEW High Priest that represent believers to GOD yes? Under the Powers of an Endless Life right? Now, is Jesus 'acceptable'to The Father?

(3a) If Jesus is 'acceptable' (Mis-quoting again) "Huge CORRECTION " however my Bible states Jesus is a Joy/ Delight & darling to The Father & every thought/ word & action is a sweet aroma to the Father + Scriptures also states that Believers are IN that Sweet Aroma of Jesus to the Father hence it isn't it of great paramount for Believers to search out all that Jesus Is?

(4) If Jesus is constantly a DELIGHT to the Father & we are IN HIM then how come there's manifestation of the Curses of Deu 28 in the Believers today? Since you also knows that is a PRIEST is all about?

& Finally:-



A Huge clue to your above statement lies in my earlier post when answering Food4thought.



Maybe you already knows the Covenants & what Covenants entails? Short snap shot:-



Then wonder if you have missed this?

Yes I think it was just how you phrased things that made it seem like you were unintentionally misquoting the Bible. Perhaps in the future, if you list a verse, just make sure it's in at least one version of the Bible.
or example, I would have said:

1 Timothy 6:10 - For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

but most people think it's money that is the evil. Money is just an object, neither evil or good, it is the LOVE OF that usually gets left out in preaching.

To answer your questions.
1) Yes agree
2) Agreed
3) Yes and Yes
3a) I agree the Jesus is the perfume. We are covered by his Blood then we accept Christ's sacrifice and live growing closer to him. One of our congregations main questions is "Is God's grace through Christ acceptable enough to cover you?" Which is a good way to get out of a "I'm a wretched sinner" attitude and still remain humble.
4) I would say that Grace and Salvation are not dependent on the individual, If we follow teaching that lead us further from Jesus than we are further from God's grace, because we are not following our part of the covenant by drawing close to Jesus. That's why some are cursed, not because Jesus isn't sufficient, but because we're drawing away from him. I don't fault the Word of God, I fault false teachers and lost sheep for straying.
5)As to your final point, I think Jesus was right on when he told us to keep the Sabbath. As fragile humans we need constant reminders of everything. That's one reason that I strive for daily devotion as a reminder of God's Grace and Jesus' power for every day and for everyone.

 

[Light hearted]

5)As to your final point, I think Jesus was right on when he told us to keep the Sabbath. As fragile humans we need constant reminders of everything. That's one reason that I strive for daily devotion as a reminder of God's Grace and Jesus' power for every day and for everyone.

This has been a great conversation.

As Gideon army has suggested, it is more of what the Lord has done for us and not so much what we do for the Lord. Once we come to terms of the depth of His love for us we can now have a stronger foundation for a true relationship.

We are brought up in this world being told to work harder to earn more. This is opposed to Grace. Now before anyone goes off on the "works" statement, you'd be absolutly wrong. Once I can to terms with focusing on Jesus's love for me, and not my love for Jesus, I can't help but to open my mouth at any given moment about praising God, ect.

Works is not a chore, it is a natural responce.

As for the "sabbath". Gideon army didn't say nothing about it, at least I don't think he did. Yes, it is good to fellowship with Christians, beware however of the teaching and preaching you may endure. Many pastors will lift you from your place in Grace and place you back under the law.

Be careful of rituals also. Acting and doing things that are not from the heart, but are from robotic repetition is not what God desires.

When Jesus mentioned the sabbath I think it was pre-cross time, he was in the center of the Jews at that time. Jesus had a parimeter to work within at that time. Often times it's easy to mis-quote Jesus pre-cross statements and pull them into post-cross ideals.

There were times of pre-cross that Jesus did step out of time. Case in point, when he saved the woman caught having sex. He also mentioned another time when He healed someone. He metioned "it's not time yet". He healed a gentile before the cross. He acknowledges the change about to come.

We've been preached so much about serving the Lord, thet we can feel we're stepping out of bounds to accept all he wants to do for us. Now we feel a guilt to ask for anything, once we feel the guilt, we doubt that we should recieve, once we doubt we should receive, the prayer and asking is neutralized. I believe it is explained in James.

 

[tackattack]

5) I agree that works it isn't about what we do for God, but what he's doing for us. I believe the point Gideon was making here was that we congregate only weekly and 2-3 days later forget all of the greatness of Christ's sacrifice. I was wrong in saying Jesus asked us to keep the Sabbath (as in OT Mosaic law Sabbath). When I say Sabbath I mean a day of fellowship, congregating and remembering/ worshiping God. Jesus definately wants us to commune together regularly with he last supper and foot washing as per scripture. How many churches even do foot-washing anymore?

We should live every day being servants and humble towards each other, remembering to put the cross first. We should not forsake sharing in fellowship and communion with our fellow Christians, in person.

My point in relation to Gideon's was that if not through daily service to the Lord, then through daily fellowship with Christians helps serve as a reminder. We need that reminder because we're not built to remember, except through repetition. I think that's why rituals are so appealing to a vast majority towards people. I agree with you that ritual for ritual sake is bad, but as a genuine reminder and when not put above Jesus' calling I see it as helpfull not harmfull to a good Christian walk.

 

[thesunisout]

This is the heart of gideons error:

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It makes those who are ill and die out to be less faithful than those who are healed. It makes EVERY CHRISTIAN in a third world nation, with little to no personal wealth, and oftentimes short lifespans, as second class citizens of heaven.
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Ahem, shall show you Scripturally the cause of all the above:-

Gal 5:4 For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God's grace. (New Living Translation)

Wow! Any Insights yet?

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed [is] everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."

Maybe you wanna do a case study/ Maybe you wanna start going thru those detailed curses of Deu 28 against those whom you are advocating for?

How many christians are observing the Law of the 10 Commandments? They think that they can keep what's ' keepable' but scriptures states otherwise:-

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one [point], he is guilty of all.

Then there's those christians who thinks that keeping the commandments are outward but JESUS lifted GOD's Pristine Standards to inner self- even the very thought is SIN hence who can keep them? "

Because gideon is a true believer in the prosperity gospel, he has to believe that everyone who is poor or unhealthy is a legalist under Gods curse. This is the madness of the prosperity gospel, even though it is obviously true that in places of heavy persecuation and suffering, the church is growing at an expodential rate, such as China. Gideon would have us believe that our brothers and sisters who are suffering in the world are getting their just deserts.

The word of God tells a much different story.

Romans 8:28

And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, whohave been called according to his purpose.

2 Timothy 3:12

"Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution."

He uses all things for our good, even trials and persecuation. Gideon tries to explain away this verse:

2 Corinthians 12:7

"And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure."

But he leaves out the most critical part:

2 Corinthians 12:8-9

Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me.

But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me.

Jesus told Paul no, that he was not going to take away his suffering. He told Paul that his grace was enough for him, and that his power was made perfect through his weakness.

So therefore, when gideon says that poor people suffer because they're legalists, he fails to see the glory of God at work. It is precisely this unbalanced view of the gospel and of God which leads to this blindness. God allows us to suffer, as Christ told Paul, for the greater good. It gave Paul humility, and that is something that Paul boasted about. We should do nothing less.

This has been a great conversation.

As Gideon army has suggested, it is more of what the Lord has done for us and not so much what we do for the Lord. Once we come to terms of the depth of His love for us we can now have a stronger foundation for a true relationship.

We are brought up in this world being told to work harder to earn more. This is opposed to Grace. Now before anyone goes off on the "works" statement, you'd be absolutly wrong. Once I can to terms with focusing on Jesus's love for me, and not my love for Jesus, I can't help but to open my mouth at any given moment about praising God, ect.

Works is not a chore, it is a natural responce.

As for the "sabbath". Gideon army didn't say nothing about it, at least I don't think he did. Yes, it is good to fellowship with Christians, beware however of the teaching and preaching you may endure. Many pastors will lift you from your place in Grace and place you back under the law.

Be careful of rituals also. Acting and doing things that are not from the heart, but are from robotic repetition is not what God desires.

When Jesus mentioned the sabbath I think it was pre-cross time, he was in the center of the Jews at that time. Jesus had a parimeter to work within at that time. Often times it's easy to mis-quote Jesus pre-cross statements and pull them into post-cross ideals.

There were times of pre-cross that Jesus did step out of time. Case in point, when he saved the woman caught having sex. He also mentioned another time when He healed someone. He metioned "it's not time yet". He healed a gentile before the cross. He acknowledges the change about to come.

We've been preached so much about serving the Lord, thet we can feel we're stepping out of bounds to accept all he wants to do for us. Now we feel a guilt to ask for anything, once we feel the guilt, we doubt that we should recieve, once we doubt we should receive, the prayer and asking is neutralized. I believe it is explained in James.

 

[tackattack]

I agree that works come from following Christ, they don't lead to him. I think the heart of that is the covenant. It takes God empowering and working through a WILLING heart to plant the seed that God then waters to full fruits. Without a willingness and God's power there is only toil in the fields with no fruit, IMO.