Blasphemy against holyspirit

[suhas]

Can anyone please share their testimonies of struggling with blasphemous thoughts against the Holy Spirit and how they overcame them to find assurance of salvation? Please share personal testimonies only, as I have already heard many explanations and am not looking for more.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Suffering from OCD since the age of 18, and just then learning about the Holy Spirit whose presence fills the universe, and then to walk by dog poo or garbage cans... and later to attend Holy Spirit revival with a fullness regarding the things of Heb 6:6 and to be abused spiritually by a former deacon each Sunday night and I was headed down that path and cried out at home aloud with a desperate aggression for life from God and deliverance from the abuser, I got out in time and was inwardly wounded and also offended and less motivated, less enthusiastic and always sadder.

 

[d taylor]

Can anyone please share their testimonies of struggling with blasphemous thoughts against the Holy Spirit and how they overcame them to find assurance of salvation? Please share personal testimonies only, as I have already heard many explanations and am not looking for more.

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Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit which is seen in Matthew 12, is not something a person can commit.
This was a sin that only the nation of Israel could have committed (which they did).

Assurance of salvation comes from believing God and God's promise. That all who believe in Jesus, believing Jesus is who He says He is: The Son of God The Messiah, the resurrection and the life.

Has become a pernamnet born again child of God and as is stated in The Gospel of John has crossed over from death to life and will not come into judgment.

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
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Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
She said to Him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”

Assurance Made Simple – Grace Evangelical Society

Assurance Is the Essence of Saving Faith – Grace Evangelical Society

 

[ozso]

22 And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebul! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons.”

23 So Jesus called them over to him and began to speak to them in parables: “How can Satan drive out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26 And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. 27 In fact, no one can enter a strong man’s house without first tying him up. Then he can plunder the strong man’s house. 28 Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”

30 He said this because they were saying, “He has an impure spirit.”
22 And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebul! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons.”

23 So Jesus called them over to him and began to speak to them in parables: “How can Satan drive out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26 And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. 27 In fact, no one can enter a strong man’s house without first tying him up. Then he can plunder the strong man’s house. 28 Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”

30 He said this because they were saying, “He has an impure spirit.” Mark 3:22-30

Mark 3:30 is what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is. It's an accusation you'd have to make 2000 years ago while watching Jesus cast out demons. Sorry, but you missed your chance to commit it.

 

[jiminpa]

Why can't blaspheming the Holy Spirit be what it clearly is, like the Bible says it is, you know, blaspheming the Holy Spirit? The Pharisees insulted the Holy Spirit by calling Him a demon and because the Pharisees did that, Jesus states that blaspheming the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. The problem is that there are preachers who want to blaspheme the Holy Spirit and still get paid to preach, so they have to make what they are doing seem to be acceptable. Some of them are somehow prominent "Bible teachers." What they are is blasphemous unbelievers.

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

Why can't blaspheming the Holy Spirit be what it clearly is, like the Bible says it is, you know, blaspheming the Holy Spirit? The Pharisees insulted the Holy Spirit by calling Him a demon and because the Pharisees did that, Jesus states that blaspheming the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. The problem is that there are preachers who want to blaspheme the Holy Spirit and still get paid to preach, so they have to make what they are doing seem to be acceptable. Some of them are somehow prominent "Bible teachers." What they are is blasphemous unbelievers.

I read two things today on this thread that I have never heard a person say before. The first thing, which I don't support, is the idea that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit cannot be committed today. The second thing, which I heard first from the Holy Spirit Himself upon reading the Bible and asking His guidance, was that believing the Holy Spirit is evil spirit is a sin which can never be forgiven.

To the OP's question, in my personal experience, I have found that just as Scripture says, the Holy Spirit guides me into all truth (Jn 16:13). He leads me in paths of righteousness for His name's sake (PS 23:3). He corrects me when I go astray (in thought or action) (He 12:5-11). He comforts me in trial and and in repentance (Ac 9:31). He assures me that I am His Child (Ro 8:16). And He reveals to me His glory (2 Cor 3:18, 4:6). His voice is discernable in all His ineteractions with us and His voice sounds the same in each interaction. Trusting Him and walking in the light He shines is the only way to live a successful Christian life.

 

[jiminpa]

The second thing, which I heard first from the Holy Spirit Himself upon reading the Bible and asking His guidance, was that believing the Holy Spirit is evil spirit is a sin which can never be forgiven.

Blasphemy is not what you believe, it's what you proclaim. The Pharisees publicly called the Spirit in Jesus a demon, (therefore publicly proclaiming the Holy Spirit to be a demon, and committing blasphemy concerning the Holy Spirit), and then Jesus taught that blaspheming the Holy Spirit would not be forgiven. I promise you that if you think you hear something from the Holy Spirit that contradicts the scripture, you did not hear it from the Holy Spirit.

Of course the scripture you cited is all true, and not one of them spoke to speaking out against the Holy Spirit, which is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Our experience is not authoritative.

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

Blasphemy is not what you believe, it's what you proclaim. The Pharisees publicly called the Spirit in Jesus a demon, (therefore publicly proclaiming the Holy Spirit to be a demon, and committing blasphemy concerning the Holy Spirit), and then Jesus taught that blaspheming the Holy Spirit would not be forgiven. I promise you that if you think you hear something from the Holy Spirit that contradicts the scripture, you did not hear it from the Holy Spirit.

The mouth speaks what first exists in the heart.

Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. (Mt 12:34)​

God's Spirit does not contradict what He inspired to be written. He explains it. And if I repeat something He teaches me and I happen to say it with imprecise words, that doesn't detract from Him. It just proves I'm fallible.

Of course the scripture you cited is all true, and not one of them spoke to speaking out against the Holy Spirit, which is blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

In Post #1 of this OP, Suhas asked for personal testimonies concerning how to overcome blasphemous thoughts and find assurance of salvation. Here is the post (for easy reference).

Can anyone please share their testimonies of struggling with blasphemous thoughts against the Holy Spirit and how they overcame them to find assurance of salvation? Please share personal testimonies only, as I have already heard many explanations and am not looking for more.

I said trusting the Holy Spirit as He leads, guides, directs, teaches, corrects, and comforts us from the intimacy of our own hearts is the only way to live a successful Christian life. This includes the two items he mentioned. Trusting the Holy Spirit is the only way to overcome blasphemous thoughts and to be assured of one's salvation. This is also what the Bible says we should do.

Our experience is not authoritative.

I don't know for sure what you are saying here. It sounds like you are saying we shouldn't listen to the Holy Spirit because we have the Bible. Maybe you can explain it in a better light.

 

[rocknanchor]

Can anyone please share their testimonies of struggling with blasphemous thoughts against the Holy Spirit and how they overcame them to find assurance of salvation?

Seems you're getting way ahead of the game with the last part of this question. Yet, the carnal mind is let's face it, capable of anything which cancels any struggle. But I get the gist, after receiving Christ, we think-back to a time of this or that. It is a horrible contemplation before OR after conversion both to correct someone of it which you will never forget, Or, have someone in Church leadership tell you face to face. The end-game of those discussions are a bottomless pit.

Yes, I can remember my anger when someone tried to introduce me to the Holy Spirit's word of God as barely a teenager. Knowing His word a bit better now, I can see,

''Even if our hearts condemn us, God is greater than our hearts, and He knows all things.'' (1 John 3:20)

 

[jiminpa]

I don't know for sure what you are saying here. It sounds like you are saying we shouldn't listen to the Holy Spirit because we have the Bible. Maybe you can explain it in a better light.

I absolutely believe in listening to the Holy Spirit, but when we think we hear something contrary to scripture we misheard. Thinking is not blaspheming. By definition blaspheming is something communicated. Unless you can insert your thoughts into someone else's, it's not blasphemy. If a thought could blaspheme we'd all be eternally doomed.

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

I absolutely believe in listening to the Holy Spirit, but when we think we hear something contrary to scripture we misheard.

I've heard that before, but it is not a reliable saying. The most obvious case is where a person has a wrong understanding of Scripture. Certainly, if confronted on this fact by the Holy Spirit it would be inappropriate to say, "I'm not going to listen to you because what you said is against the Bible". There are other similarly absurd responses in other situations. The fact of the matter is that there is no way to live a succussful Christian life without 1) having an intimate personal relationship with the Lord, 2) listening to Him and trusting Him when He leads, guides, directs, corrects, and comforts us from the intimacy of our ouwn hearts, and 3) walk in lock step with Him as He does so.

Thinking is not blaspheming. By definition blaspheming is something communicated. Unless you can insert your thoughts into someone else's, it's not blasphemy. If a thought could blaspheme we'd all be eternally doomed.

I used the wrong word, "thinking". I should have said, "saying". But now I find myself wanting to defend my choice of words because it is clear in Scripture that sin comes from the heart and and our thoughts condemn us.

19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. 20 These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.” (Mt 15:19–20)​

 

[FutureAndAHope]

Can anyone please share their testimonies of struggling with blasphemous thoughts against the Holy Spirit and how they overcame them to find assurance of salvation? Please share personal testimonies only, as I have already heard many explanations and am not looking for more.

I spend around 15 years thinking I "had" blashphemed the Holy Spirit. So for that period I hated life and God. But God was merciful, He kept sending people to me with one verse of scripture.

Jer 29:11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.

Eventually, I realised God was for me. I went back to church. He got my life back together. I am now happily married, have a good job, and a family. I feel blessed.

 

[jiminpa]

I used the wrong word, "thinking". I should have said, "saying". But now I find myself wanting to defend my choice of words because it is clear in Scripture that sin comes from the heart and and our thoughts condemn us.

19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. 20 These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.” (Mt 15:19–20)​

I think we have a lot of agreement, but some disagreement. I may not have communicated well.

I do think that in the case of blaspheming the Holy Spirit there is a line to cross between thinking and speaking.

 

[enoob57]

Can anyone please share their testimonies of struggling with blasphemous thoughts against the Holy Spirit and how they overcame them to find assurance of salvation? Please share personal testimonies only, as I have already heard many explanations and am not looking for more.

Scripture itself is the only method that will deliver truth… so if you don’t want scripture only personal testimonies, how will you know the truth?
John 8:32 (KJV)

32And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

John 17:17 (KJV)

17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

Scripture itself is the only method that will deliver truth… so if you don’t want scripture only personal testimonies, how will you know the truth?
John 8:32 (KJV)

32And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

John 17:17 (KJV)

17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

My observation is that when we look to the Scriptures, the Scriptures tell us to go to God. Here are just a few examples...

5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart,​

And lean not on your own understanding;​

6 In all your ways acknowledge Him,​

And He shall direct your paths. (Pr 3:5–6)​

35 And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son. Hear Him!” (Lk 9:35)​

13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you. (Jn 16:13–15)​

5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him. 6 But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. 7 For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; 8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways. (Jas 1:5–8)​

 

[jiminpa]

Scripture itself is the only method that will deliver truth… so if you don’t want scripture only personal testimonies, how will you know the truth?
John 8:32 (KJV)

32And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

John 17:17 (KJV)

17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

If you believe scripture, you will believe the places that it tells us to follow God. How do you follow a God who isn't leading? The answer is you don't, and that's the exact point of your dogma. You get to feel like you're a follower of God without having to actually follow Him. How do you draw near to someone who you aren't in a relationship with? You don't. How convenient for you. If you believe scripture you will believe that God still speaks individually to those who are His.
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I've grown tired of playing games with people who have made a dogma out of disobedience.

If you aren't listening for His voice you can't hear His voice and you aren't His. If you really consider scripture to be the only source of truth you will believe what it says, even the verses that directly dispute, and they do, your dogma.

 

[jiminpa]

I believe the Bible is for what it says it is.

II Timothy 3:16 (NKJV)​

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

The Bible itself never claims to be the only word from God, and in fact, the very last verse of John explicitly states that it is an incomplete record.