Blasphemous thoughts, Please tell me..

[forgiveable]

I have noticed that several OCD'rs have blasphemous thoughts. It seems with me that I was under stress when the thoughts started. As I look back I can see there were a few thoughts that came across leaving me to think where did that come from?
Whomever replies.. Could you tell me when it started for you. I have a friend that had blasphemous thoughts start 3 years ago and we've been close for a long time.
I have heard stories about Martin Luther Paul Bunyan and even Charles Spurgeon having blasphemous thoughts...
For my self I was raised in a Charismatic background, My friends background was catholic.
My other question is how did you get saved? In a church with a friend?
What denomintation? Do you remember how old you were or what you said? While I don't think that they neccesarily have lots to do with each other, I am really wanting to research some stuff and compile some info and get answers. I have a great memory and I am kind of compiling info of my own.
In fact as much info as you can think of would really help.
I have spoken to probably 13 pastors, two psychologists and two phsycologists. Yes I do think it helps.
I have received many many many wonderful words of wisdom.
The other question is I noticed the common theme is condemnation for those who suffer with blasphemous thoughts.. what sticks out the most for you?
I know that I continue to go back to Romans 8 that says there is therefore now, no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus...
I know so far I have asked a lot of questions of a few of you who have really, really helped me out and pointed me in the right direction.
If you could be of any help again... I would appreciate it. Thanks ~Brandi

 

[RachelZ]

Hey Brandi...good for you! Researching stuff can be really helpful! This is mostly totally unrelated to your questions but I just wanted to comment on one thing you raised...cos it struck me that you'd mentioned the verse in Romans cos I was looking at that verse this in church...not sure if it was something that was brought up or just something that I got thinking about...anyway I thought of people on here who struggle with wondering if they've commited the unforgiveable sin and I thought there's a key word missing from that verse...the word UNLESS! It doesn't say there is therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus unless they have commited some unforgiveable sin, it just says there is therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus...and I don't know... maybe that will help someone who is struggling with this issue. (Sorry, prolly haven't quoted it exactly.)

Hope you get some really helpful and interesting answers...take care, Rachel

 

[visionary]

Take charge of your life.. call upon the Lord in times of weakness [which is al the time] and follow the path the Lord has lead you on.. never stop and be like the Lord when tempt.. know the scripture that keeps you true and solid in the Lord's camp.

 

[Jayangel81]

have noticed that several OCD'rs have blasphemous thoughts. It seems with me that I was under stress when the thoughts started.

I wouldnt say stress started it for me but it can bring on OCD spikes

Could you tell me when it started for you.

3 1/2-4 years ago about.

My other question is how did you get saved? In a church with a friend?
What denomintation? Do you remember how old you were or what you said? While I don't think that they neccesarily have lots to do with each other, I am really wanting to research some stuff and compile some info and get answers. I have a great memory and I am kind of compiling info of my own.
In fact as much info as you can think of would really help.

My illness seemd to be dorment all my life until I had certain events set it off into motion. God saved me through personal revelations. I never had anyone tell me the gospel, or anything for that matter. My mom used to scare me to be good with the "devil" but thats about it

My family is catholic.

anyway I thought of people on here who struggle with wondering if they've commited the unforgiveable sin and I thought there's a key word missing from that verse...the word UNLESS! It doesn't say there is therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus unless they have commited some unforgiveable sin, it just says there is therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus...

you right Rachel, if someone decides to completly deny the Holy Spirit, there is no way to be saved. Noone on this forum has commited this act.
If you did commit this that person wouldnt even care, and everyone here cares about their relationship with God and their salvation.

You also need to realize that everyone can come back to God, everyone. The only way you cannot is if you deny God and die.

 

[forgiveable]

What do you do to keep busy and make it through the day so as not to have intrusive thoughts?? Does any one have any suggestions?

 

[Jayangel81]

I used to play video games, its hard to escape your own mind

 

[visionary]

Everyone has intrusive thoughts... That is where the Lord is a blessing. He can help you drop the thought and changing your thinking. He has been working on my mind for years now.. intrusive thoughts still come, but only at times when I am not paying attention to where my mind is wandering.

 

[kaykay9.0]

What do you do to keep busy and make it through the day so as not to have intrusive thoughts?? Does any one have any suggestions?

Mine were definitely fear driven. When I didn't fear them anymore, they almost disappeared.

 

[Jayangel81]

Mine were definitely fear driven. When I didn't fear them anymore, they almost disappeared.

Best post in this thread

I say this because I guarentee that 90% of the blasphemies from people who suffer religious OCD are fueled and most likely formed from <<<drum roll>>> Fear

Mine pretty much all disappeared when I stopped being afraid as well. If anything is left it can be shaken off easily. But, and this is the big word here,
But if you have fear it will just fuel it and it will never stop

If we want to have any serious healing inside we need to cut it off at the roots. and that root is your fear.

Thanks Kay

 

[forgiveable]

So far I just stay busy and I know that the thoughts aren't mine anyways.

 

[kaykay9.0]

So far I just stay busy and I know that the thoughts aren't real anyways.

I thing keeping busy does help to some extent. Particularly with things that you like or are really interested in. Idle time does sometimes fuel OCD. Also getting out and about, I think, gives you more "perspective" on what is real. As you say, the thoughts are not.

I post on another forum besides CF. I noticed the other day that the line under the "screen name" someone had said "Don't believe everything you think!" That actually might be a good motto of those of us struggling with OCD.

 

[forgiveable]

Thank You everyone..
The thoughts have drastically been disappearing in the last few days andI am looking forward totheovercoming part!

 

[trudi]

I just finished reading a book by Chris Ingram that has really helped me with spiritual warfare, I encourage anyone to read it. It was explained very well about having bad thoughts an how to deal with them. From my take on this what is happening is you have committed to the Lord Jesus an the evil one wants you back, so he is sending his dark angels to draw you back. You need to put on your Armor of God has given you. When a bad thought enters your mind simply say "I rebuke you, get behind me in the name of Jesus", an the thought will leave you. I've done this an it works. And it will give your mind peace each time. Eventually the demons darts will give up an leave you alone cause they have lost you to the Lord. Blessings!

 

[seajoy]

Let's remember that all forms of OCD are illnesses. Although satan delights in our suffering, God has hold of our faith. Just as germs are not the real problem in a handwasher, likewise, our problem is not blaspheming God. We have a chemical imbalance that causes us to have repetitive horrible thoughts. God can and does use His Word, our prayers, therapy, and medication to cure us. He cares for us just the same as anyone with cancer, or another awful illness.

Let's take care not to give satan so much joy, and keep this what it is, a disorder.

 

[Jayangel81]

Let's remember that all forms of OCD are illnesses. Although satan delights in our suffering, God has hold of our faith. Just as germs are not the real problem in a handwasher, likewise, our problem is not blaspheming God. We have a chemical imbalance that causes us to have repetitive horrible thoughts. God can and does use His Word, our prayers, therapy, and medication to cure us. He cares for us just the same as anyone with cancer, or another awful illness.

Let's take care not to give satan so much joy, and keep this what it is, a disorder.

Seajoy you are right this is an illness. But you would be suprised on how easy spiritual warfare can effect our OCD.

We cannot be unaware that is just what the enemy wants

I just think that it is important to remember that.

I speak quite a bit on these forums about the enemy and how it can effect OCD. I also feed people Gods Word for a reason. (you would also be suprised on how unequipped people are with the power of Gods Word)I also feel very frowned upon in these forums because of it, but its true.

OCD is a disorder an anxiety one at that.
And I agree with ERP and letting alot of the thoughts just be without creating more rituals and canceling.


But spiritual warfare can put an impact on us more than one can ever imagine. I see the lies of the enemy and warfare flowing rapidly through these forums. So rapidly it is easy to decieve many of us. And with this these such things you need spiritual weapons and armor.

and you need to be weilding the Sword.

Many blessings to you all

 

[seajoy]

For the record, I have never seen a born-again Christian completely
cured from this condition with medication. The fear and the doubt
and the thoughts always seem to come back.

But God is Gracious and I HAVE seen born-again Christians delivered
back to faith and have completely victory over these thoughts.

It is actually Christ who has the victory through their faith.

Hebrews 12:2

In Christ,
Michael

I never said meds alone would cure anyone. I hope that's not what you are alluding to.

 

[seajoy]

I can appreciate what you are saying and where you are coming from.
But let's be completely logical and rational here for a moment. Why
would a chemical imbalance cause a person to have blasphemous
thoughts??? And specifically blasphemous thoughts that are directed
at God and His Holiness or sometimes for some it is thoughts of
perversion out of the blue... Why would a chemical imbalance do
this?

How can a chemical imbalance cause one to think they have germs? Unfortunately for us, the religious one hit. God gave us our faith....a crazy illness does not remove it.

What you are doing is scaring folks here. You are going to send some into a tailspin with your talk. You are giving the evil one way too much credit.

God holds on to us through all illnesses...this one is no different. When I had ocd, I had someone talk to me just like you did. That same day, I was finally diagnosed properly, and given the gift of healing through therapy and meds. This diagnosis came after I had prayed and asked God to do with me as He Willed. He did, and I'm healed of it.

 

[kaykay9.0]

I can appreciate what you are saying and where you are coming from.
But let's be completely logical and rational here for a moment. Why
would a chemical imbalance cause a person to have blasphemous
thoughts??? And specifically blasphemous thoughts that are directed
at God and His Holiness or sometimes for some it is thoughts of
perversion out of the blue... Why would a chemical imbalance do
this?

I pray that those who are suffering here will not give demonic spirits
so much power as to have their continued influence in their minds,
but to get completely free of fear and doubt through deliverance.

As for "joy," in all of my years of experience I have never observed
the laughter of demonic spirits to be of this emotion. It has always
been a laughter of mocking or bantering.

In His Great Love and Forgiveness,
Michael

Well, let me start out saying that I DO believe that there is a spiritual aspect to OCD which should not be ignored. Like Jay said, let's not forget we, as well as the rest of the world, DO have a spiritual enemy. That said, however, to address your question ~~why the blasphemy etc.? Yes, that does seem demonic on the surface, but I think many that have OCD are plagued with the cycle of blasphemous thoughts/condemnation over having them etc. because it's primarily fear -driven as I said earlier. Jesus states that blaspheming the Holy Spirit is the only "unforgivable sin." So the OCD fear comes blasting in with the thoughts and subsequent accusation and condemnation. The stronger you get theologically (in understanding that this type of sin which Jesus referred is not done accidentally or "in a moment of weakness," the less hold they have on you.) Again, I think it's fear-driven. (Blasphemy and the condemnation that accompanies that is NOT the only manifestation of religious OCD either.) Now does the demonic play on our fears?...yes, I think it certainly does. Again, we do have a spiritual enemy.

I don't know if I have articulated very well here. Suffice to say, I don't think OCD is necessarily an "either or" situation. I think it's probably both~ a disorder which is manipulated and exacerbated by the enemy of our souls. Whatever mental, physical or spiritual weaknesses we have, whether it's OCD or something else, I think can be battleground for the enemy. My .02 anyway.

 

[Jayangel81]

Well, let me start out saying that I DO believe that there is a spiritual aspect to OCD which should not be ignored. Like Jay said, let's not forget we, as well as the rest of the world, DO have a spiritual enemy. That said, however, to address your question ~~why the blasphemy etc.? Yes, that does seem demonic on the surface, but I think many that have OCD are plagued with the cycle of blasphemous thoughts/condemnation over having them etc. because it's primarily fear -driven as I said earlier. Jesus states that blaspheming the Holy Spirit is the only "unforgivable sin." So the OCD fear comes blasting in with the thoughts and subsequent accusation and condemnation. The stronger you get theologically (in understanding that this type of sin which Jesus referred is not done accidentally or "in a moment of weakness," the less hold they have on you.) Again, I think it's fear-driven. (Blasphemy and the condemnation that accompanies that is NOT the only manifestation of religious OCD either.) Now does the demonic play on our fears?...yes, I think it certainly does. Again, we do have a spiritual enemy.

I don't know if I have articulated very well here. Suffice to say, I don't think OCD is necessarily an "either or" situation. I think it's probably both~ a disorder which is manipulated and exacerbated by the enemy of our souls. Whatever mental, physical or spiritual weaknesses we have, whether it's OCD or something else, I think can be battleground for the enemy. My .02 anyway.

I think you explained it pretty good Kay

we also must remember there are those who dabble with dinvinations and occult games and stuff. they actually will experiance the same things.

Before I had this illness I knew nothing about Gods Word, absolutly nothing. This gave ground for the enemy to instill fear in me. BUT when I studied Gods Word, I was able to put the armor of God on and use Gods Word. I cut the root of all my problems away, my fear. thats what it was.

People on these forums are scared to get some real time into Gods Word, why? because they are scared of their thoughts and obsessions/compulsions. This is what the enemy wants. People on this forum need Gods Word more than anything. To believe on Him and trust in Him will end this fear and cut the root of fear. And I believe sternly that fear can be alot of times caused by the enemy. Thats one of the enemies greatest tools.

For example, God4ever (sorry to put you on the spot but your a good example) This young child of God was wondering what it would take for God to leave her. The best thing we can do for her, is feed her Gods Word. She needs to bury this deep into her heart, so that when OCD and the enemy comes (dont be decieved he will come) than she knows thats the key word, knows what the Word of God says.

Its not even a matter of reassuring herself, or anyoneself this is stuff the person needs to know or they will lose this spiritual war. and they will not persevere out of this trial.

It is simple as that. Are these "blasphemies" from spirits, who are we to say what can or cant be. Spirits have more influence than people understand, God hasnt opened their eyes to spiritual things because they are not ready. So in some aspects I believe it is fear driven and a very good change that thoughts can and will be be influenced by spiritual war. You cant let your guard down.

as far as medicines, There is alot that can be healed through medicines, God gave us doctors. But we need first is Christ. That is number one.

 

[trudi]

I have tried to pm you back but because I haven't made 15 post my reply wouldn't go thru. Just wanted you to know I did try to respond back to you. As soon as my 15 post are made I'll try again. Blessings, T