Blade Runner

[Resha Caner]

Was anyone, like me, stupid enough to see the new Blade Runner?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Was anyone, like me, stupid enough to see the new Blade Runner?

Yes, I saw it a couple of days ago. I'm still mulling over the philosophical implications and the possible inferences that were being made within the movie's scheme.

Peace,
2PhiloVoid

 

[Resha Caner]

It had such a great cast that I was suckered into it. I should have known better. Great actors can't fix a bad screenplay, etc.

For me, many of the characters lacked the motivation to do what the screenplay was forcing them to do. Then, the music was overly loud superhero music that has no place in the Blade Runner world. The cinematography was horrible - just a lot of darkness. The original was dark as well, but it was used to highlight a very unique view of society. This time the darkness just hid a lack of visual design. Finally, the whole thing seemed like a lame setup for a Blade Runner meets Divergent franchise.

I'll be honest. I didn't like the original either, but that's a matter of taste. I can still appreciate the first one for the originality of the story, visual design, characterization, etc. I was just flat out disappointed with the sequel.

 

[Armoured]

Was anyone, like me, stupid enough to see the new Blade Runner?

I liked it. It was it's own thing, though, so if anyone was expecting follow on from BR1, I can see why they'd be disappointed.

So hey, did everyone else get all the Kaspar Hauser references?

 

[Armoured]

It had such a great cast that I was suckered into it. I should have known better. Great actors can't fix a bad screenplay, etc.

For me, many of the characters lacked the motivation to do what the screenplay was forcing them to do. Then, the music was overly loud superhero music that has no place in the Blade Runner world. The cinematography was horrible - just a lot of darkness. The original was dark as well, but it was used to highlight a very unique view of society. This time the darkness just hid a lack of visual design. Finally, the whole thing seemed like a lame setup for a Blade Runner meets Divergent franchise.

I'll be honest. I didn't like the original either, but that's a matter of taste. I can still appreciate the original for the originality of the story, visual design, characterization, etc. I was just flat out disappointed with the sequel.

The music was a reworking of the original BR Vangelis score. I didn't find it in the least "super hero-y", although it was done by Hans Zimmer, who has done few super hero type scores previously, so I guess you might be picking up some stylistic echoes.

 

[Armoured]

So hey, did everyone else get all the Kaspar Hauser references?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

So hey, did everyone else get all the Kaspar Hauser references?

...no, but I seemed to pick up on some ...*ahem*... "Blind Watchmaker" references. At least, that's what they seemed like to me.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

It had such a great cast that I was suckered into it. I should have known better. Great actors can't fix a bad screenplay, etc.

For me, many of the characters lacked the motivation to do what the screenplay was forcing them to do. Then, the music was overly loud superhero music that has no place in the Blade Runner world. The cinematography was horrible - just a lot of darkness. The original was dark as well, but it was used to highlight a very unique view of society. This time the darkness just hid a lack of visual design. Finally, the whole thing seemed like a lame setup for a Blade Runner meets Divergent franchise.

I'll be honest. I didn't like the original either, but that's a matter of taste. I can still appreciate the first one for the originality of the story, visual design, characterization, etc. I was just flat out disappointed with the sequel.

Yes, BR2 had a great cast. But like you, I was a bit underwhelmed by the more or less two dimensionality of the characters. ...and there seemed to me to be lighter on the 'action' and heavier on the existential angst...and the constant visual referral to artificial sexuality. But, whatever.

 

[Resha Caner]

So hey, did everyone else get all the Kaspar Hauser references?

I missed that.

The music was a reworking of the original BR Vangelis score.

I'll have to put them side by side. I did notice elements of the old score, but to me they seemed lost in the rest of it. Maybe it held truer than I recall, but in the end the music took me out of the story rather than supporting it.

 

[Resha Caner]

... the constant visual referral to artificial sexuality ...

Yeah, it was overdone. I suppose the hologram girl was supposed to be a brilliant new cinematic element, but to me it seemed like a fascination with special effects at the expense of the story. If she's just a hologram, and you think about what that means with regard to what he's doing, it's just sadly pathetic self-gratification.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Yeah, it was overdone. I suppose the hologram girl was supposed to be a brilliant new cinematic element, but to me it seemed like a fascination with special effects at the expense of the story. If she's just a hologram, and you think about what that means with regard to what he's doing, it's just sadly pathetic self-gratification.

...that, and I didn't really appreciate that the character of Wallace was visualized as a kind of "Jesus" figure, blind to boot, with a psychopathic tendency.

 

[Resha Caner]

...that, and I didn't really appreciate that the character of Wallace was visualized as a kind of "Jesus" figure, blind to boot, with a psychopathic tendency.

I checked out WRT Wallace. When the movie has to begin with a paragraph explaining who Wallace is, and then he doesn't show up until ... what ... an hour later. Ugh. I mean, the movie was almost 3 hr long, and they couldn't find a place to develop the character on screen?

 

[Armoured]

...no, but I seemed to pick up on some ...*ahem*... "Blind Watchmaker" references. At least, that's what they seemed like to me.

The wooden horse, the fact K's name was "k", all the small enclosed spaces, the repetition of "cell"...

 

[Armoured]

I'll have to put them side by side. I did notice elements of the old score, but to me they seemed lost in the rest of it. Maybe it held truer than I recall, but in the end the music took me out of the story rather than supporting it.

I agree that on a modern digital surround sound system, the score was at times overwhelming. But then, maybe that was the point of it.

Anyway, I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it. I think it' one of those movies you my need to watch few times to "get" all of.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

The wooden horse, the fact K's name was "k", all the small enclosed spaces, the repetition of "cell"...

No. I'm referring to the scenes involving Wallace and his 'angels.'

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I checked out WRT Wallace. When the movie has to begin with a paragraph explaining who Wallace is, and then he doesn't show up until ... what ... an hour later. Ugh. I mean, the movie was almost 3 hr long, and they couldn't find a place to develop the character on screen?

I guess they figured they needed a character that makes more impact than Tyrell as a wanna-be 'creator' figure. Go figure.

 

[Armoured]

I checked out WRT Wallace. When the movie has to begin with a paragraph explaining who Wallace is, and then he doesn't show up until ... what ... an hour later. Ugh. I mean, the movie was almost 3 hr long, and they couldn't find a place to develop the character on screen?

I would have liked a little more development of the Wallace character.

There's 3 short films that take place between BR 1 and BR 2049, which might cover some of tht stuff. Then again, they may not. I haven't seen them yet. there's links here, if you want to see them Official Discussion: Blade Runner 2049 [SPOILERS] • r/movies

 

[Armoured]

I guess they figured they needed a character that makes more impact than Tyrell as a wanna-be 'creator' figure. Go figure.

I didn't get the blind watchmaker reference, I must say. Jarred Leto seems to be making a career of over egged, massively angsty for angst's sake characters, though.

 

[Armoured]

Yeah, it was overdone. I suppose the hologram girl was supposed to be a brilliant new cinematic element, but to me it seemed like a fascination with special effects at the expense of the story. If she's just a hologram, and you think about what that means with regard to what he's doing, it's just sadly pathetic self-gratification.

It was the whole point of art. The difference between appearance and reality. Did she really love him, did she overcome her programming and develop "real" feelings? Or was she just doing exactly what she ws programmed to do, and saying what he wanted to hear in any given situation? Responding in a purely unconscious, deterministic way to given stimulus?

Solipsism. If you've read much K. Dick, it's kind of his thing.

 

[Armoured]

No. I'm referring to the scenes involving Wallace and his 'angels.'

No, the stuff I was talking about was the Kaspar Hauser references...

I didn't take Wallaces "Angel" references the way you did, but you my well be right, that it was all creation allegory.

I wonder if all the water imagery in the Tyrell pyramid plays into that?