Birth pangs

[dysert]

.... but no one can date the beginning of the day of the Lord of which He has not revealed

Agreed, and if memory serves, no one in this thread has attempted any date setting.

 

[Straightshot]

So what can be observed on the ground should not be too presumptive as some make it

.... my point is that the scripted "birth pangs" have not yet literally begun

However, these things could begin before this day is over .... there is nothing to prevent

The related time of the day of the Lord will come with no warning [Matthew 24:36-39]

For He will come as a thief giving no advanced indications of His visit

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

So what can be observed on the ground should not be too presumptive as some make it

.... my point is that the scripted "birth pangs" have not yet literally begun

However, these things could begin before this day is over .... there is nothing to prevent

The related time of the day of the Lord will come with no warning [Matthew 24:36-39]

For He will come as a thief giving no advanced indications of His visit

Are you trying to stop/derail this thread too?

 

[Straightshot]

Do I need to answer your question?

I am simply posting the way I understand related scripture on the matter

Is that what you do?

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Do I need to answer your question?

I am simply posting the way I understand related scripture on the matter

Is that what you do?

Please answer the question. I would appreciate it.

 

[Another Lazarus]

The increase of wars, diseases, famines and economic problems can mostly be attributed to over population. Which is, in itself, an indication of things not continuing as they are for much longer.

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

 

[Straightshot]

"Please answer the question. I would appreciate it."

I already have .... I post scriptural truth

.... the pangs have not started yet and will not until the tribulation begins .... the 70th week decreed for Israel .... the time of Jacob's trouble [Jeremiah 30; Ezekiel 20:33-44]

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

"Please answer the question. I would appreciate it."

I already have .... I post scriptural truth

.... the pangs have not started yet and will not until the tribulation begins .... the 70th week decreed for Israel .... the time of Jacob's trouble [Jeremiah 30; Ezekiel 20:33-44]

Are you trying to stop/derail this thread also. Please answer yes or no.

 

[Straightshot]

I never attempt to stop or derail any thread on this forum .... and I have the right to respond

If you don't like my response to your posting .... tough

I will say it again .... the "pangs" in question have not yet started for Israel and are still pending .... and when they do it will be obvious [Jeremiah 30; Daniel 12; Joel 2; 3; Zechariah 12; 13; 14; Matthew 24:15-16; Luke 21:20-36; Revelation 12:6; 12:14-17]

People like you push the Lord's agenda by trying to fit current events into the scope of unfulfilled prophecy .... this tendency is common place and should never be exercised

Why? .... because people who need salvation will not listen to what they consider to be religious trivia from those who profess to be Christian and at the same time grab and speculate on events that are simply not a part of the prophetic scriptures .... particularly when the events do not come to pass and turn out to be false

I would suggest that you spend more time in the study and less time expounding on the speculations that you dig up

 

[stephen583]

I will say it again .... the "pangs" in question have not yet started

Let's review what's happened so far this month, the Brexit vote heralds the collapse of the European Union, Isis unleashes multiple terrorist attacks in Europe, Asia and the Middle East. Turkey's participation in NATO and it's associate membership in the European Common Market is being threatened by the recent failed coup attempt it believes was masterminded by the cleric Muhammed Gulen, who most Turks believe is backed by the U.S. and the CIA. Turkish president Tayyip Erdogan's insists America hand over Gulen for extradition or face the consequences, The U.S. refuses to hand over Gulen, The International court of the Hague rules against the Chinese on the South China Sea dispute, China threatens to impose a no fly zone in the South China Sea in response, the United States threatens to establish freedom of navigation patrols with U.S. warships close to Chinese bases, John Kerry is ignored by Vladimir Putin when he's asked to stop attacking U.S. advisors and journalists in Syria. North Korea launches three missiles simultaneously yesterday, demonstrating to South Korea it can overwhelm the THAAD missile defense system the U.S. is going to deploy in South Korea, and Vladimir Putin announces if Hillary Clinton is elected president, it's going to mean War with Russia.

Dude, if the last nineteen days doesn't represent enough "birth" pains to convince you the Tribulation Period hasn't already started... Just hold on to the seat of your pants and wait and see what happens next month... It's only going to get worse and more severe from here on out. That's all I have to say.

 

[Straightshot]

All of what is going on is setting the state for the "birth pangs" .... for Israel

Israel has had difficulties maintaining since 1948, however it is obvious that the tiny nation is under the Lord's protection for His purposes .... if not, the Muslims would already have driven Israel into the sea

However, the pangs foretold for Israel are coming [Jeremiah 30; Ezekiel 38; Daniel 11:41; 12:1-4; Zechariah 14:1-5; Matthew 24:15-22; Luke 21:20-36; Revelation 12:6; 12:14]

All of this will be Israel's experience during the coming tribulation upon an unbelieving world still pending

The same 70th week decreed for Israel to come during which a remnant part will believe and will be saved .... the Lord will confirm His covenant with remnant and all 6 objectives will be reached for them [Ezekiel 20:33-44; Daniel 9:24-27; Romans 11:25-36]

Israel has yet to experience the pangs are coming upon the nation and when they do there will be no question about it .... unprecedented vexation to the point of extermination

No doubt that the entire world is headed for the coming tribulation upon the whole earth, but you ain't seen nothin yet [Psalms 2; Luke 21:8-11; 21:20-36; Revelation 6:12-17]

When the Lion of the tribe of Judah roars the very foundation of the earth is going to shake .... no one will escape His hand

But until the time of His intervention [Matthew 24:36-39]

The world has seen much tribulation since the creation of man, but what is coming will be unprecedented .... and when it comes for Israel the nation's birth pangs will begin leading up to this [Romans 11:25-36]

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

here is something interesting in the news today. No debate, just sharing information. Understand it any way you want.

Australia_satellite_plane
(NASA)
Australia might not be as far away as it used to be because the entire continent has moved 1.5 meters (4.9 feet) since 1994, according to Reuters.

How did this happen? Tectonic shifts are the reason. The Australian tectonic plate is the fastest moving continental plate on Earth. Scientists believe that it split from the Indo-Australian plate approximately three million years ago, and today, it is moving 7 centimeters (2.8 inches) northwards and slightly eastwards every year, colliding into the Pacific Plate on its journey. This drags the landmass of the continent just a little bit closer to the equator every year.

As the pressure between the Pacific and Australian plates builds and builds, earthquakes will most likely result.

While five feet doesn’t seem like a whole lot, it is still enough to disrupt global navigation satellite systems — which were and still are based on Australia’s position in 1994 — putting the continent out of sync. This affects not only the GPS maps on smartphones, but also delivery drones, farmers, meteorologists, and even automated cars.

This happens because modern satellite systems provide location data based on global lines of longitude and latitude, and these, unlike continents, are fixed. Many countries — including Australia — produce maps and measurements with the lines of longitude and latitude fixed to their continent. But as the plates move, this means that over time, local coordinates become out of sync with the global coordinates.

So now, scientists are planning to revamp all of Australia’s coordinates by January 2017. They intend to plot new points at a longitude and latitude scaled 5.9 feet to the north, which is actually an overcompensation —but just wait, the country’s mapped coordinates should align with the rest of the planets by 2020.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/entire-continent-australia-shifted-causing-133153907.html

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

I live in Thames. upper north island, about 500 miles from Christchurch.
Could you please give the reference to a CME causing earthquakes?

Hi Keras. This video is for you with love from me. I hope you enjoy watching it.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Another

 

[stephen583]

Coronal Mass Ejections from the sun are nothing new. If you google the phenomena, you'll learn the last big one occurred in 1859 and was dubbed the Carrington Event. The telegraph system across the United States was burned up, some telegraph stations were actually incinerated. There were however no earthquakes, or tsunamis associated with the largest geomagnetic storm in recorded history. There were no unpresidented droughts in 1859, no crop failures, and no global famine. In fact, there's no historical proof this event caused even one human fatality.

That having been said, a bigger CME today would be far more disastrous from a technological standpoint. It would literally knock us back to the 17th Century overnight, and it would take years to replace all the technology and electronics we have become accustomed to. Try to imagine a world with no satellites, no television, no radio, no anything.

I don't know how big a CME would have to get to threaten all life on this planet. I suppose one could get big enough to cause an extinction event, and the Apocalyptic prophecies of the Bible certainly do mention God pouring out his wrath upon the Sun and causing grievous sores on men and destroying plant and animal life. So yes, it's clear a massive CME will undoubtably be one of the Biblical plagues that occurs during the Apocalypse.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Coronal Mass Ejections from the sun are nothing new. If you google the phenomena, you'll learn the last big one occurred in 1859 and was dubbed the Carrington Event. The telegraph system across the United States was burned up, some telegraph stations were actually incinerated. There were however no earthquakes, or tsunamis associated with the largest geomagnetic storm in recorded history. There were no unpresidented droughts in 1859, no crop failures, and no global famine. In fact, there's no historical proof this event caused even one human fatality.

That having been said, a bigger CME today would be far more disastrous from a technological standpoint. It would literally knock us back to the 17th Century overnight, and it would take years to replace all the technology and electronics we have become accustomed to. Try to imagine a world with no satellites, no television, no radio, no anything.

I don't know how big a CME would have to get to threaten all life on this planet. I suppose one could get big enough to cause an extinction event, and the Apocalyptic prophecies of the Bible certainly do mention God pouring out his wrath upon the Sun and causing grievous sores on men and destroying plant and animal life. So yes, it's clear a massive CME will undoubtably be one of the Biblical plagues that occurs during the Apocalypse.

Yes I can see what you are saying if something like the Carrington Event happened today since we are such a technological civilization,

 

[Steve Petersen]

I don't know how big a CME would have to get to threaten all life on this planet. I suppose one could get big enough to cause an extinction event, and the Apocalyptic prophecies of the Bible certainly do mention God pouring out his wrath upon the Sun and causing grievous sores on men and destroying plant and animal life. So yes, it's clear a massive CME will undoubtably be one of the Biblical plagues that occurs during the Apocalypse.

Oooh! I can't wait!! That means Jesus is coming back!!!

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Oooh! I can't wait!! That means Jesus is coming back!!!

When I was a young girl, and I am far from that now, I heard the gospel and learned that Jesus was coming back. I have sense enough to know that His return is closer today than it was back then.And I have sense enough to know that every day draws His return one day closer. He is closer today than yesterday. And, He sees your scoffing. Beware.

 

[Bobgf]

dfw69 said: ↑
What or who is about to give birth ?

The 'birth' will be the new age of Jesus as King over the world.

Good response, keras, that answers a question that has long been on my mind too.

BTW what Bible translation are you using and where can I get access to this translation?

I'm impressed with the translation of verses Isaiah 42:13-15 and of Matthew 24:3-8 that you showed in post 11.

Isaiah 42:13-15 The Lord has kept silence and restrained Himself for all this age, allowing this world to go its own way. But as the appointed time approaches, He is like a woman in labour, prepared and ready to take action. The Lord will go forth as a warrior, roused to a fury in the heat of battle. He will shout His battle cry and will triumph over His enemies. The land will be laid to waste, all the plants and trees will burn and the streams and lakes will become dry. Isaiah 63:4, Habakkuk 2:3, Jeremiah 4:23-28

Matthew 24:3-8 Lord; tell us the signs of the end of this age. Jesus replied: Take care that no-one misleads you, for many false Messiahs and teachers will come and many will be fooled by them. The time is coming when you will hear of wars and rumours of wars, for there will be an increase of wars, earthquakes, diseases and famines. All these things are the birth pangs of the new age. Jeremiah 15:2

 

[Steve Petersen]

When I was a young girl, and I am far from that now, I heard the gospel and learned that Jesus was coming back. I have sense enough to know that His return is closer today than it was back then.And I have sense enough to know that every day draws His return one day closer. He is closer today than yesterday. And, He sees your scoffing. Beware.

I am not scoffing at Jesus, but at those who seem to get all happy that billions of people have to die before his return.