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I think it's possible to have peace and joy as Christians even when things are going really badly. If we keep our mind on Christ, He will give us peace even though everything is falling apart. His peace is supernatural, not merely natural. I think we lose our peace when we distrust in God.
Peace and joy aren't feelings they are fruits of the Spirit. Happiness is irrelevant--it's a feeling.
Jesus--being God an all- wept, cried out to Lord, begged Him to give Him a different path, sweat like drops of blood in His stress. Obviously happiness and being all la-la-la is something different from peace and joy. We aren't just called to be Christ like--we are called to be ever more transformed into Christ. We aren't just covered over by the Blood of The Lamb--we become one with Him.
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What ever Shannon, I still wish you the best in life. I know how hard it is dealing with the hand you've been dealt.
Who here hates you? I don't. You get on my nerves with your "compassion" hypocrisy and superiority complex but i don't hate you. I feel sorry for you becuase i can tell you struggle becuase you are yet to accept your life is what it is.
It's you Shannon who suffer from hate- not me. You have hated me since day one and you know you are lying if you deny it.
I may be many things but stupid is not one... I have seen through you since day one.
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Yeah--because that's remotely close to what I wrote. Peace bene....prayers for you--there seems to obviously be things going on in your life which are weighing on you.
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My life does not suck, you want me to apologize for it? It makes you angry to know my life does not suck?
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I never said that they were mere feelings
but we do experience them in some way. If we experience no peace at all, than either we're going through a very heavy trial, or, as is more likely, we're not really trusting in God and worrying too much. Or, relying on our selves too much. Even the Saints, when they went through their "dark nights of the soul"... they were in pain.. they didn't feel joy.. but they did act joyfully, and they were committed to God, and eventually God gave them great peace cause they were doing His will and not theirs..
this comment is not aimed at anyone here. I'm just talking about the Saints. They're really good examples for us
I never mentioned being all la-la-la..
yes Jesus wept and suffered much. He also never stopped trusting God through it all and did not fall into despair. It's hard to fall into despair when you're totally committed to being obedient, and are ready to accept anything God gives you.. when you're willing to accept God's will, whatever it is. There is still pain, of a natural sort, sometimes great pain. But there is no despair, which is a sin, and that's when a person loses faith in God.
(btw, I'm not saying that you're committing this sin of despair. Or, anyone else here, for that matter. How would I know.. we're just talking on a message board.)
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Jesus Shannon-- you realize you are doing nothing but attacking me and even Monica? what is your problem?
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Oki maybe I can give an example...
let's say you feel like all your life is falling apart around you, and you can't possibly see how the situation can get better. Hope no one here has to ever go through that.
And you're in a lot of pain, but you still have that peace inside for ONE reason and one reason only: because you know that God is still with you, and that is your hope, in all your misery.
That peace I'm talking about is not just a feeling.
Hope that makes sense.
let's say you feel like all your life is falling apart around you, and you can't possibly see how the situation can get better. Hope no one here has to ever go through that.
And you're in a lot of pain, but you still have that peace inside for ONE reason and one reason only: because you know that God is still with you, and that is your hope, in all your misery.
That peace I'm talking about is not just a feeling.
Hope that makes sense.
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Another year of Shannon going off the deep end. I guess it's officially began. Lord help us all.
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one last point:
I think also that joy comes from humility.
Just look at St Philip Neri
http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=97
I think also that joy comes from humility.
Just look at St Philip Neri
http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=97
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Yup--I think we're actually saying the very same thing. You're just a lot more graceful in how you are saying it. I've had a rough last week on this forum...and my patience is thinner than thin, and I probably ought not be posting at all.
My point is that even with that peace and joy inherent...that the life of a Christian is a life of suffering. It is a life of the Cross. It is a life of agonies and of Crucifixions. And yet we believe with Scripture that it is precisely this suffering which produces hope....because suffering if we hang on through it--always yields to resurrection. That we walk the road to Calvary (and if our Calvary of the moment is contraception) doesn't mean that we have to despair, or give up our peace----but the road to Calvary also entailed Jesus struggling bodily, and eventually calling out to God wonder why He had been forsaken....
If your Calvary isn't contraception--then it will be something else. We all have our own unique crosses to carry.
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oki!
that's cool. I think I understand now.maybe take a break and do something you enjoy?
don't get stressed out over a forum..sure
I agree. We all have crosses to bear. Some have heavier crosses than others. All shall be well in the end if we hope in God and persevere.God bless
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Shannon, I think that you are a very good advertisement for Catholic parenthood. I would love to be one of your kids if I wasn't twenty years older than you, or maybe more than twenty years older than you.
I don't know how you've acquired all the knowledge you have, but I hope that you have a little tape recorder somewhere that you can jot all your thoughts into so that you can write a book when you get the chance.
I don't know how you've acquired all the knowledge you have, but I hope that you have a little tape recorder somewhere that you can jot all your thoughts into so that you can write a book when you get the chance.
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Dude, I avoided this thread intentionally because of the title.
Now you know why. I tried to read back from the end to see if you got some answers to your question. I gave up and don't know if you got any good ones so will give it a shot. As far as all I already read, to that I say, cut it out and knock it off!
As far as giving up birth control, do you want the black and white answer or the subjective answer.
Suffice it to say for now that abortifacients are contrary to Gods will.
As far as your relative leaving the Church over it. Well, that seems to be a cop out to give up and give in.
There are natural ways to prevent births that are not contrary to Gods will. Its a matter of discernment. We may never destroy Gods creation just to follow our will though. Does this mean Catholics don't fall into this error. By the droves.
As to the rest of the question about if she should have left. From me you get a big NO, she shouldn't have left the Church. She should have worked within the context of the Church to overcome her situation. She would have been offered all kinds of help if she had asked.
Thats like saying because a teaching of Christ is hard we leave Christ because we can't follow Him. When He simply wants us to follow and do our best and ask if its too much.
Your relative will be back.
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Edit to add that this thread will be staying closed.
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