Birth Control

[Lostbutfound!]

The reason is because you can't see it from a christian point of view if you don't even believe like a christian. You will go based on a main stream I idea of what you see in society. Until you have christ in your heart you won't even come close to seeing things the way I do. I am more of a traditionalist yes. I do not agree with sex before marriage just because people think times are different, or this is the twenty first century. Or in causel sex, I don't care if you have dated the guy ten years, sex before marriage is wrong. But athiest don't believe this. Thats one thing and there are many, many more. God bless and that why you should be thankful for this great nation the you are about to speak your mind freely.

 

[JadeTigress]

The reason is because you can't see it from a christian point of view if you don't even believe like a christian. You will go based on a main stream I idea of what you see in society. Until you have christ in your heart you won't even come close to seeing things the way I do. I am more of a traditionalist yes. I do not agree with sex before marriage just because people think times are different, or this is the twenty first century. Or in causel sex, I don't care if you have dated the guy ten years, sex before marriage is wrong. But athiest don't believe this. Thats one thing and there are many, many more. God bless and that why you should be thankful for this great nation the you are about to speak your mind freely.

Actually, I had a couple atheist friends who were saving themselves for marriage. It was a romantic thing rather than a religious thing, obviously, but the point is that they do exist.

 

[Lostbutfound!]

Well thank you for pointing that out. Thats good they are doing that but for the wrong reasons. See as a christian point of view God states in the Bible that when a man and a women have sex they become one flesh. Not in the litteral aspect but you get the point. So if one partner has sex with five people and the other has sex with five people all ten people have had a sex relation with each other.

 

[cantata]

So if one partner has sex with five people and the other has sex with five people all ten people have had a sex relation with each other.

Hot.

 

[Lostbutfound!]

That is only hot to a person not of christ. The sexual immorals that you enjoy will come with a heavy price come judgement day. You will be responsible for your own actions. Cantata you may a have a hard heart now but hopefully you will see the truth before its to late. God Bless you my dear.

 

[cantata]

That is only hot to a person not of christ. The sexual immorals that you enjoy will come with a heavy price come judgement day. You will be responsible for your own actions. Cantata you may a have a hard heart now but hopefully you will see the truth before its to late. God Bless you my dear.

Is a sense of humour only existent in people "not of Christ" too?

To be honest, if God's plan is to send me to hell for the odd threesome, I don't really want to worship him. You make him sound rather prudish and obsessive.

 

[JCFantasy23]

Nah to me bc isn't wrong. I don't think God has an issue if a couple wishes to wait to have kids, or decides not to have them at all. Or, has them and stops there.

 

[HannahBanana]

The reason is because you can't see it from a christian point of view if you don't even believe like a christian. You will go based on a main stream I idea of what you see in society. Until you have christ in your heart you won't even come close to seeing things the way I do. I am more of a traditionalist yes. I do not agree with sex before marriage just because people think times are different, or this is the twenty first century. Or in causel sex, I don't care if you have dated the guy ten years, sex before marriage is wrong. But athiest don't believe this. Thats one thing and there are many, many more. God bless and that why you should be thankful for this great nation the you are about to speak your mind freely.

Isn't judging others a sin, though? So aren't you just as much in the wrong as the non-Christians whom you're judging are? Seems like you'd better actually read the Bible before you try to claim that you're a Christian.

 

[WatersMoon110]

Nah to me bc isn't wrong. I don't think God has an issue if a couple wishes to wait to have kids, or decides not to have them at all. Or, has them and stops there.

I completely agree!

Of course, I might go a step further, and say that I feel God encourages people to use logic (by giving them the brain power to do so) and only have as many children as they can afford and have time to raise. Children are expensive, and raising them properly can be very, very time consuming.

 

[WatersMoon110]

Well thank you for pointing that out. Thats good they are doing that but for the wrong reasons. See as a christian point of view God states in the Bible that when a man and a women have sex they become one flesh. Not in the litteral aspect but you get the point. So if one partner has sex with five people and the other has sex with five people all ten people have had a sex relation with each other.

What if they used contraception? *wink*

 

[sidhe]

So if one partner has sex with five people and the other has sex with five people all ten people have had a sex relation with each other.

I once counted how many people (to my knowledge, I confess to not having taken extensive sexual histories of all my partners) I've united in one body by this logic. It was a very large number...give me one second...

...see, the problem is I can't remember who all I've had relations with, honestly. I'd come up with a total of 75 people united by that odd one-body logic, but suddenly remembered two more people I'd slept with, which would put the total well over 100 by my reckoning. And if we're doing 6-degrees-of-Kevin-Bacon with this, it could be exponentially more, probably upwards of 1000 individuals. All united in one body. Because of me. And given "clique incest" (people in a social group sleeping around within the social group), some of those are probably united down to some kind of supercondensed version of one...like a Ketheric entity.

That's pretty impressive. Go me!

On topic: Birth control rocks. Go modern technology. The polyurethane condom is proof of the greatness of human ingenuity.

 

[PassionFruit]

So if one partner has sex with five people and the other has sex with five people all ten people have had a sex relation with each other.

So basically that would make a person a [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth], wouldn't it?

That's pretty impressive. Go me!

On topic: Birth control rocks. Go modern technology. The polyurethane condom is proof of the greatness of human ingenuity.

Yes, I like birth control, but if people feel it's wrong then there's nothing wrong with that.

Yeah that is impressive.

 

[TooCurious]

No I don't think GOD wants a 14 year old girl to have a baby with her boyfriend thats why you shouldn't have sex before marriage.

If its Gods will to have 18 kids then so be it. What do you expect us to be like China and have man deceide how many children we should have.

You know whats funny, I wrote this on a christian forum and most of the people that are writing me are atheis or don't believe in GOD.

You know when I wrote this thread I wanted opions for people who believe in the same GOD that I do, God the creator of this world not some far left field atheis or non-believer.

There are Christians-only subforums here at CF, if you only wanted the opinions of other Christians.

Since you've posted here, I'll offer you my thoughts. It really depends on how much of a micro-manager you believe God to be. Do you think he wants to determine every aspect of your life for you (where you go to school, what your career path should be, how many children you have,etc.), or does he want you to exercise your free will to make these decisions yourself? As you mentioned, if God were that desperately keen on giving you another kid, not all the condoms in the would could thwart the will of an omnipotent deity.

I think that you and your spouse ought to do what you both think is right for your family, and if the two of you decide that you'd rather not have any more kids, I see no reason why you shouldn't use contraception. It's the responsible thing to do, to take active steps to do what you think best for your family.

I hope you don't discount my contribution completely, just because it came from a "nonbeliever."

 

[Illuminatus]

So if one partner has sex with five people and the other has sex with five people all ten people have had a sex relation with each other.

Well, maybe if they were all having sex at the same time. If they're having sex consecutively, as long as they maintain a basic level of personal hygiene, then no, they haven't all had "sex relations" with each other.

 

[Illuminatus]

You know whats funny, I wrote this on a christian forum and most of the people that are writing me are atheis or don't believe in GOD.

Kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it?

You know when I wrote this thread I wanted opions for people who believe in the same GOD that I do, God the creator of this world not some far left field atheis or non-believer.

Then you should have posted in one of the many Christians-only sections, not one of the handful that are open to everyone.

Anyway, I have a question. All of your posts have centred on what you want or what "GOD wants". You seem to be ignoring the only thing that actually matters, which is what your wife wants. Quite frankly, how she feels about it is the only relevant matter to becoming pregnant.

 

[keith99]

For some people lack of money is about more than not being able to go out to eat. For some people it's about eating at all.

I saw this vividly illustrated when I was doing work with the YMCA. I did a LOT of camps. One session was a shared camp, Northeast and South Pasadena. For South Pas, think Beverly Hills, well with a bit less hype. Northeast was working class. Many if not most of the kids were on camperships, a fair pop of them sold peanuts for all or part of the camp fees. It was common to run out of money just before paycheck of welfare check. A lost job was a disaster. One of the very few camps with a brain dead director. She started the first meal with standing on a chair and saying 1-2-3 let's eat. It was all I could do to keep my kids civilized. I managed, in large part because I was doing back to back to back camps so I had my own car there and could promise if the food ran out (it never does) I would get pizza from town.

For those who really can not afford a kid the costs can be huge for the kid. Wait a couple of years and at least one parent can likely work part time or at least a job where schedule can be as important as dollars. Don't wait and both parents have to work full time. The kid does not get the attention needed. They may come out OK, but they do not come out as good as thye could have been.

 

[Beanieboy]

No I don't think GOD wants a 14 year old girl to have a baby with her boyfriend thats why you shouldn't have sex before marriage.

If its Gods will to have 18 kids then so be it. What do you expect us to be like China and have man deceide how many children we should have.

You know whats funny, I wrote this on a christian forum and most of the people that are writing me are atheis or don't believe in GOD.

You know when I wrote this thread I wanted opions for people who believe in the same GOD that I do, God the creator of this world not some far left field atheis or non-believer.

It wasn't my intention to offend or anger you, which I have done, so I sincerely apologize.

There are Christians that use birth control in order to control how many children they have. That's why most Christians don't have 14 children. The couple that I quoted simply decided to use no birth control at all, and believe that God would cause the impregnation if he wanted it.

However, the 14 year old could also argue, "Although I had premarital sex, God obviously wanted me to have this baby." I think it ignores the facts. If you plant a seed, I don't think it's God's decision about whether a tree grows or not. The laws of nature simply take over. I think it has less to do with divine intervention than the simple laws of nature.

We most heterosexual couples to stop all forms of birth control, they would all have 14 children, too.

We have some control over the destiny of our lives, and our actions have reactions.

Birth control is a given in Protestant Christians. My parents had 5 kids, and that was enough. I don't think they were hampering on God's plan for a soccer team. They certainly couldn't have afforded it.

However, I often hear about it in Catholicism, and I believe that it was passed down from the Roman Catholic Church in an effort to simply make as many baby Catholics as possible.

But, what do I know? It's all speculation.
I say, pray about it. Go to the source, and ask, and you will get your answer.

Namaste

Again, my apologies for offending you. It was never my intent, but rather, to question the logic of you decision.

 

[Beanieboy]

I've heard gay people that say they don't like using protection, because they don't like the way it feels. If they are supposed to contract HIV, then they will.

I don't believe it's an issue of "if they are supposed to", as if it is a punishment, or some fate one cannot avoid. Instead, it simply takes one irresponsibility, and puts it on some invisible being - God, fate, whatever.

However, there are others who are always safe, and have remained negative. Does that mean that God approves? They have escaped fate? Or that we control our lives with our choices and actions?

I have heard people say the same of smoking. If they are supposed to get cancer, then they will. They act as if they have no choice in the matter. However, they do. People can quit, and do. Granted, you can get cancer without smoking, but why do something to provoke it?


That is how I see the issue of having sex, and then thinking that God will control the conception based on whether or not he wills it. Whether you are married, unmarried, molested, raped, having a one night stand, having casual sex, a fling, whatever, it isn't about God, but more about the fact that a healthy sperm impregnates a fertile egg under any circumstance, planned or unplanned.

 

[jcook922]

The reason is because you can't see it from a christian point of view if you don't even believe like a christian. You will go based on a main stream I idea of what you see in society. Until you have christ in your heart you won't even come close to seeing things the way I do. I am more of a traditionalist yes. I do not agree with sex before marriage just because people think times are different, or this is the twenty first century. Or in causel sex, I don't care if you have dated the guy ten years, sex before marriage is wrong. But athiest don't believe this. Thats one thing and there are many, many more. God bless and that why you should be thankful for this great nation the you are about to speak your mind freely.

And the reason that you can't see it from my viewpoint is because you aren't like me, that's sort of the reason people disagree, because they have different viewpoints. What you said previously basically was "I don't like what you're saying, get lost and go someplace else this place is for Christian opinions."

 

[wanderingone]

No I don't think GOD wants a 14 year old girl to have a baby with her boyfriend thats why you shouldn't have sex before marriage.

If its Gods will to have 18 kids then so be it. What do you expect us to be like China and have man deceide how many children we should have.

You know whats funny, I wrote this on a christian forum and most of the people that are writing me are atheis or don't believe in GOD.

You know when I wrote this thread I wanted opions for people who believe in the same GOD that I do, God the creator of this world not some far left field atheis or non-believer.

First of all you wrote it in the ethics forum, a debate forum. Second-You implied you weren't sure if it was okay or not... but apparently you already knew you believed birth control to be wrong.

I haven't seen many people suggest that all people should have a specific number of children or that some governing body should determine that for the individual, what I've seen are posts suggesting that there is no issue with birth control. I haven't seen any posts putting forth china's one child policy as the model for every nation on earth to embrace. (Although for the thousands of American families who have brought home a Chinese baby I suspect it's a policy we should be happy about... many babies were made available for the baby buying west as a result of population control measures in China)