Birth Control

[Lostbutfound!]

Well here's the deal. I have though about this alot but have found no real answer. Is it against GOD to use any form of birth control pill, foam, condoms etc. The reason I ask this is because I have been feeling that if its up to God to have more children then it will be done if not it won't happen. I know this may seem old fashion but what gives me the right to determine or try to control what GOD wants. But in the same token I feel like if God wanted me to have more children then my wife would become pregnant even if we used birth control. Thanks

 

[cantata]

Well here's the deal. I have though about this alot but have found no real answer. Is it against GOD to use any form of birth control pill, foam, condoms etc. The reason I ask this is because I have been feeling that if its up to God to have more children then it will be done if not it won't happen. I know this may seem old fashion but what gives me the right to determine or try to control what GOD wants. But in the same token I feel like if God wanted me to have more children then my wife would become pregnant even if we used birth control. Thanks

You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but I can't help worrying that such an attitude could lead to decisions like not going to the hospital when you're ill because it's up to God to decide what happens to you.

What's the difference?

 

[Lostbutfound!]

I guess what I am say it that women from the beginning of time have been doing it without birth control and not that we are on the 21st century we have to use something that was created by man to control how many children we should have.

If I am sick I usually wait before I go to the doctor, yes but I do believe in modern medicine, but there are many times the doctors are wrong and you can't always believe them. "Oh he will never walk again" two years later he's walking. Or we don't know whats wrong.

 

[cantata]

I guess what I am say it that women from the beginning of time have been doing it without birth control and not that we are on the 21st century we have to use something that was created by man to control how many children we should have.

Well, people from the beginning of time haven't had chemotherapy or mortgages either, but it doesn't make those things bad.

The fact is that nowadays we have a much lower infant mortality rate, so having lots of babies is not the priority that it used to be, and besides which, we treat women differently - we don't expect them to be barefoot and pregnant for their whole adult lives any more, because we recognise that they are willing and able to achieve other things as well.

If I am sick I usually wait before I go to the doctor, yes but I do believe in modern medicine, but there are many times the doctors are wrong and you can't always believe them. "Oh he will never walk again" two years later he's walking. Or we don't know whats wrong.

Modern medicine is usually your best shot. I would recommend taking it seriously.

 

[lawtonfogle]

Well here's the deal. I have though about this alot but have found no real answer. Is it against GOD to use any form of birth control pill, foam, condoms etc. The reason I ask this is because I have been feeling that if its up to God to have more children then it will be done if not it won't happen. I know this may seem old fashion but what gives me the right to determine or try to control what GOD wants. But in the same token I feel like if God wanted me to have more children then my wife would become pregnant even if we used birth control. Thanks

Your right, and if God wants you to have children, you will have them Birth control or no. My last brother was born after my mother had an operation so she couldn't have any more kids. Granted, it thus required a C-Section to get him out, but you would think that he shouldn't have been conceived to begin with.


Anyways, the world is already overpopulated.

 

[HannahBanana]

Well here's the deal. I have though about this alot but have found no real answer. Is it against GOD to use any form of birth control pill, foam, condoms etc. The reason I ask this is because I have been feeling that if its up to God to have more children then it will be done if not it won't happen. I know this may seem old fashion but what gives me the right to determine or try to control what GOD wants. But in the same token I feel like if God wanted me to have more children then my wife would become pregnant even if we used birth control. Thanks

What if you couldn't financially handle raising any more children? Would you still not use birth control, just because you figure that God would help you out somehow (even though He cannot give you more money)?

 

[Lostbutfound!]

I couldn't afford to have the first two you never are, but you manage and you do without going out to eat a few less times a week. Or buying yourself something stupid that will probably end up getting throw away.

Oh and my wife is not barefoot and preganant she has a bachlors and two masters degrees. One in bussiness and one in education. Thank you very much.

 

[seeker777]

The reason I ask this is because I have been feeling that if its up to God to have more children then it will be done if not it won't happen. I know this may seem old fashion but what gives me the right to determine or try to control what GOD wants.

If it were up to to God, artificial birth control wouldn't be an issue.

If God wanted you to get pregnant, and he is in control of whether or not it happened. God being Omnipotent, surely would be able to circumvent any barrier that you put in his way.

The truth is, procreation is a biological function and not as a result of God using his divine powers to cause a pregnancy to take place. If God decides that women will get pregnant, why then would God then have the fetuses malformed, abort spontaneously, complications such as molar pregnancies etc...

If you want unplanned pregnancies, don't use birth control.

If you want to plan your pregnancy you can choose to use artificial birth control or you can look into natural family planning.

 

[wanderingone]

I guess what I am say it that women from the beginning of time have been doing it without birth control and not that we are on the 21st century we have to use something that was created by man to control how many children we should have.

If I am sick I usually wait before I go to the doctor, yes but I do believe in modern medicine, but there are many times the doctors are wrong and you can't always believe them. "Oh he will never walk again" two years later he's walking. Or we don't know whats wrong.

People have sought some form of birth control for as long as they've had the understanding of what causes pregnancy. The fact that we now have more effective methods doesn't change the fact that there is nothing new about attempting to have some control over our reproduction. Even people who claim not to use any birth control that's not "natural" are still attempting to control the number of children they have and when they have them.

I guess my question to you would be do you find something scriptural that says to you and your wife that birth control is not acceptable? Is there something about the nature of Christ that leads you to believe that even if scripture doesn't command you not to use birth control you believe it would not be something God would think was "good"?

I believe medicine/science/technology to be gifts that should not be ignored. Is there a reason birth control should not be used (other than it being created by man?) In a family that may be overwhelmed by large numbers of children, or born in quick succession wouldn't the ability to space children and limit the number of children be a gift to the children that ARE born. If God chooses how many children to give you would that also mean that if none arrive you would not seek to use fertility treatments to have a child (or more children?) Would you view infertility as proof that no child should be raised in your home?

 

[wanderingone]

I couldn't afford to have the first two you never are, but you manage and you do without going out to eat a few less times a week. Or buying yourself something stupid that will probably end up getting throw away.

For some people lack of money is about more than not being able to go out to eat. For some people it's about eating at all. As for not being able to afford children... it's absurd to say you are never ready to afford them.
My sister waited to have a child until her husband was well past his residency and they had paid off his school loans. They were more than financially ready to care for children when they chose to start their family. They had significant savings and both of their incomes were significant enough that they could choose to have only one parent work.

For some people it's not about money- it's about the emotional/physical capacity to care for children. It's not a natural gift to be a parent. Many people struggle, and having no control over the arrival of children - when and how many can be a tremendous problem for those parents and those children when parents are not prepared to care for any child born to them.

 

[cantata]

I couldn't afford to have the first two you never are, but you manage and you do without going out to eat a few less times a week. Or buying yourself something stupid that will probably end up getting throw away.

That may be how you managed. Not everyone has the luxury of eating out at all.

Oh and my wife is not barefoot and preganant she has a bachlors and two masters degrees. One in bussiness and one in education. Thank you very much.

I didn't suggest that she is. What I said was that these days we recognise that women can do lots of things, not just have babies. Contraception and family planning are part of giving women freedom and equality.

 

[HannahBanana]

I couldn't afford to have the first two you never are, but you manage and you do without going out to eat a few less times a week. Or buying yourself something stupid that will probably end up getting throw away.

Oh and my wife is not barefoot and preganant she has a bachlors and two masters degrees. One in bussiness and one in education. Thank you very much.

No, what I was asking was what if it comes to a point in your life when you absolutely cannot afford to have any more children without risking going into debt? Would you still not use birth control then?

 

[The Nihilist]

Look, this thread has a much more serious issue than the one explicitly stated in the OP. The following link should solve most of your problems:

http://www.amazon.com/Elements-Styl...bs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1218486626&sr=8-1

 

[JadeTigress]

Look, this thread has a much more serious issue than the one explicitly stated in the OP. The following link should solve most of your problems:

http://www.amazon.com/Elements-Styl...bs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1218486626&sr=8-1

Win.

 

[WatersMoon110]

I guess what I am say it that women from the beginning of time have been doing it without birth control and not that we are on the 21st century we have to use something that was created by man to control how many children we should have.

That isn't even true. There have been many plants used as contraceptives, and the Egyptians even made condoms out of animal skins (which, I imagine, probably weren't very effective).

Personally, I think that God understands when couples want to wait to have children, and so use contraceptives. But, then, I am probably biased, in that I don't want to have any children until we can afford them, so my husband and I use contraception.

 

[Beanieboy]

I remember reading about someone who had her 18th child in Canada:
http://www.wowowow.com/post/canadian-parenting-maternity-pregnant-71907
"We never planned how many children to have. We just let God guide our lives, you know, because we strongly believe life comes from God and that’s the reason we did not stop the life," said proud dad Alexandru Ionce, 51."

Do you really think that God wanted him to have 18 kids???

Do you think that God wants a 14 year old girl who has sex with her boyfriend to have a baby?

I think it is throwing caution and common sense to the wind.

 

[Lostbutfound!]

No I don't think GOD wants a 14 year old girl to have a baby with her boyfriend thats why you shouldn't have sex before marriage.

If its Gods will to have 18 kids then so be it. What do you expect us to be like China and have man deceide how many children we should have.

You know whats funny, I wrote this on a christian forum and most of the people that are writing me are atheis or don't believe in GOD.

You know when I wrote this thread I wanted opions for people who believe in the same GOD that I do, God the creator of this world not some far left field atheis or non-believer.

 

[HannahBanana]

No I don't think GOD wants a 14 year old girl to have a baby with her boyfriend thats why you shouldn't have sex before marriage.

If its Gods will to have 18 kids then so be it. What do you expect us to be like China and have man deceide how many children we should have.

You know whats funny, I wrote this on a christian forum and most of the people that are writing me are atheis or don't believe in GOD.

You know when I wrote this thread I wanted opions for people who believe in the same GOD that I do, God the creator of this world not some far left field atheis or non-believer.

Why don't you want the opinions of non-Christians?

And why are you getting all butt-hurt just because people aren't agreeing with you? Debating isn't about agreeing with someone, it's about challenging someone's opinions. So if you didn't want to debate (and it seems like you didn't), then why the heck did you post this thread on a board meant specifically for debating?

 

[JadeTigress]

No I don't think GOD wants a 14 year old girl to have a baby with her boyfriend thats why you shouldn't have sex before marriage.

If its Gods will to have 18 kids then so be it. What do you expect us to be like China and have man deceide how many children we should have.

You know whats funny, I wrote this on a christian forum and most of the people that are writing me are atheis or don't believe in GOD.

You know when I wrote this thread I wanted opions for people who believe in the same GOD that I do, God the creator of this world not some far left field atheis or non-believer.

Unfortunately, though this is a Christian forum, everyone is welcome here, and everyone's opinions are welcome here (to an extent).

But, for what it's worth, I don't like a lot of the birth control that's out there. But that's just because almost everything that's effective is hormonal, and I refuse to take hormones again. I took them once. Never again. I've considered getting a copper IUD (though it will be a long time before I can afford it), but just recently I've thought about getting a LadyComp and doing NFP. Only a fraction of a percent less effective than an IUD, and no foreign objects in my uterus. Sounds like a win-win to me. But until I have the money to do that, I'm stuck with condoms and spermicide.

Anyway, moving right along, I think it's for each individual to decide if they feel that it's right or wrong, rather than a religion deciding for them. I know people who were perfectly fine with birth control, but after becoming a Christian decided that it was wrong. Not because they believed that it was wrong, but because their new religion said that it was wrong, so that meant that they had to think it was wrong.

A favorite quote of mine is from Buddha, and it's something that I've been saying for years, before I even knew that said quote existed. He just summed it up and said it way nicer than I did.

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

 

[jcook922]

No I don't think GOD wants a 14 year old girl to have a baby with her boyfriend thats why you shouldn't have sex before marriage.

If its Gods will to have 18 kids then so be it. What do you expect us to be like China and have man deceide how many children we should have.

You know whats funny, I wrote this on a christian forum and most of the people that are writing me are atheis or don't believe in GOD.

You know when I wrote this thread I wanted opions for people who believe in the same GOD that I do, God the creator of this world not some far left field atheis or non-believer.

Well if you want to keep being ignorant and decide that the disagreeing opinions of other are just too scary and threatening to your own beliefs, perhaps you need to just crawl under a rock and never come out.