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error.Christians and Jews through out history have always interpreted God's commandments concerning children and condemnation of Onan to be condemnations of contraception in general. It isn't that you can't find it in the Bible, its that you have changed your interpretation and have become blind to it.
using wisdom and science and planning is not saying no to God.
it is using wisdom.
we are told to do such things.
again, bc is not addressed in scripture.
i love that many have thrown ideas out there w/ out scripture to back it up.
It helps your rationalization to think so, but the real reason has always been theological. Roman and Greek medicine was more advanced than many today give it credit for, and bishops of the early Church made distictions between abortion and contraception. St. John Chrysostom (4th century), for example, gave homilies on the sin of preventing the creation of life through contraceptive practices.
And God is bigger than us.That is a very low and narrow view of marriage.
It is God who opens and closes the womb. If a couple is sterile, they can continue to have relations and a miracle may happen, as has happened many times in the past.
the picture of marriage is actually the picture of Christ and the church.The purpose of marriage is a partnership between a man and a woman. I have to disagree with the idea that marriage is only fo rthe purpose of having children...elderly people marry after the death of a spouse. Obviuosly they cannot have children.
this is also a VERY UNBIBLICAL stance as we are strictly forbidden from doing such a thing (1 cor 7)what I meant by this, is people are trying to to mold the Bible to fit modern secular society. i can't go back and figure out who said this because it seems that almost everyone here agrees so there is not just one inparticular person.
To repeat to what Lotar and Twincrier (who seems to have a very Orthodox view on this) have been saying, if you don't want to take responsibility of being a parent, then don't have sex.
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wow.
a man made a rule.
and therefore it is equivalent with Scripture.
I think not.
And God is bigger than us.
God does open and close the womb, but that is not the only verse in the bible as so many stand on it with such vehemence, one would think so.
the point of said verse is not "do not use bc".
it is the sovernity of God.
and HE is soveign.
go ahead and believe that, and more power to you.I believe the pill was created so people could have sex outside of marriage and not get pregnant.
that time of the month is a "normal function of the body", yet i'm sure you do things to deal with this and help your body to feel better.You arfalling into the world's way of thinking that pregnancy is some medical problem or disease (unless you planned and wanted it of course) instead of the normal, natural funtion of the body. Reproduction isn't an illness that must be separated for sexual relations. I actually heard someone say on on of those talk shows that there are two kinds of sex, love making and baby making.What a terrible way to disect it.
I can't memorize verses well but I think there is one where a wife calls upon God because she is barren, in fact, more than one instance.
Or was that just for biblical times?
it is INDEED quite dangerous, more so depending on your personal body.usually it is safe.
My former churchmate had 12, the last 11 at home. She's fine. And about 40 years old.
God is Soverign.That's fantastic.
You're right, God will not force His blessings on us, even though He know what is best where as we don't. We have a free will to chose the second best. Or even the worst.
all the verses that speak of being fruitful and multiplying are given as commands at the creation of the world because the world was not yet inhabited. they were to rememdy this.There are commands to "be fruitful and multiply" and I know many see that as directed to someone besides them, but that fact remains, throughout the bible it is all pro-procreation, not pro sterility and barrenness.
equating sexual perversions with using bc?Also, that's quite an eclectic combination of verses you quoted! A couple about how God sent many blessings, including offspring, livestock, health, etc. (note, no commands given! Not to mention, does that mean that all barren, sick, poor, etc. people must be cursed by God???); and then a bunch about totally unrelated commands like refraining from having homosexual sex or sex with animals, etc. I'm surprised you would venture so far out of context to try and support your argument.
quote]Well, homosexuality and beastilaity are also forms of sexual copulation that don't result in procreation, so I think the point is very relevent. Again, you're right, we don't HAVE to accept God's blessings, but what kind of fool wouldn't want God's best, His perfect will?
are you quite serious??
I'de take a step back and think that over again.
that is not only abuse of scripture, it is condemning unscripturally at that, God's children.
no, it's using wisdom and science.Birth control isn't fertility, it's infertility.
No I am not "suggesting that couples who don't have kids must love each other less than people who do have kids" I'm suggesting that couples who don't want to have children with each other don't love each other as much as couples who are open and accepting of God's blessings if He chooses to bless them as such.
again you are assuming that infertilty is a SIN, when it is NOT shown as such in scripture.
~calling it sin is adding to God's Word.The sin of contraception is like most other sins: it is convenient and self-serving. It allows people to maintain a higher devotion to self. Money, time, and other selfish desires.
scripture never advocateds not using wisdom.Trust in God and He will not give you more than you can handle.
Openess to children is not an optional part of Christian marriage, it is commanded by God.
that time of the month is a "normal function of the body", yet i'm sure you do things to deal with this and help your body to feel better.
For those who say God told you to use birth control, I have to ask; Didn't you find it insulting that the creator of the universe specifically asked you to not reproduce offspring? And also, does God always ask you to do things that you already want to do anyhow?
it is INDEED quite dangerous, more so depending on your personal body.
and, after 40 you CAN Still have a few more...and that is extreamly dangerous.
i've seen this first hand.
not to mention doctors and medical evidence will back this up (not just a personal opinion)
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