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Billy Graham - the false prophet

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yohney

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Yesterday I spoke with freind of mine, and he heard something like, Billy is false prophet.. bla bla bla...

So I googled it and found tons of pages showing this, and some of his quotes... So I am kind of confused now...

What do you guys think? Is it possible that it is so hard to recognise false prophets today, or is this like fake accusations, or what...?
 

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The Reverend Graham has made some mistakes, but haven't we all. It is well documented (by legitimate sources) that he solidly embrased ecumenalism, at least for a while. It was during this period that he willingly routed some who came forward during his crusades to the rcc people there. Oh well.

I believe his son, Franklin, who is a staunch conservative/fundamentalist Christian, has helped him see the mistakes to some degree. Franklin, who is expected to take over for his father, will not compromise with anyone or any institution concerning God's Truth. Amen on that.

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Google Jesus christ and see how many horrible things you can find about Him. Anyone doing the the work of the Lord will be attacked. Billy Graham was a man like the rest of us but was a great evangelist and loved the Lord.
I have to concur with Pete here. Graham isn't a heretic, but a solidly orthodox Christian. I see from Googling "Billy Graham heretic" that he's more liberal than some critics like. Well, so he is, but well within the bounds of orthodoxy. It says more about the critics: not so much that Graham is liberal, but that they are extreme fundamentalists.
 
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Chiming in here - not as a Baptist, but as someone who likes Billy.
I agree - you can google ANYONE in the Christian community and the top 10 reslts will be negative.
Yes, Billy Graham has said some things that are questionable...yet he is human, and not a prophet but an Evangelist. (I do not believe he ever claimed to be a phrophet) I can tell you that I, myself, have said things that were incorrect at times.

I also noticed that many who are against Billy are 'over the top' fundamentalist Baptists who believe anyone who disagrees with their doctrine are Heathens. Because Billy has said that baptism is not his concern (or because he baptised 4 of his babies) he is heathen. ( I learned mored about this yesterday when I started a thread).

As for his comments about others outside Christianity getting to Heaven - I have read those statements and they rub me the wrong way -however, he does go on to state that what he believes is not doctrin, and he does not 'teach' these things - I also think some of his quotes have been taken out of context.
 
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As for his comments about others outside Christianity getting to Heaven - I have read those statements and they rub me the wrong way -however, he does go on to state that what he believes is not doctrin, and he does not 'teach' these things - I also think some of his quotes have been taken out of context.
John Wesley (Methodist founder) believed this. He believed if someone never heard of Jesus he would have one last chance to accept Him when he died. I don't know if that's true, but I do know we serve a merciful God so it is possible. By this, I mean someone who never heard of Jesus, not someone who had heard of Him and chose to reject Him.
 
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Is there a "google" results that says that CF is not a Christian site? You can find alot weird stuff when you "google". I even "googled" me to find out if anyone got me posted somewhere.
I googled you and found this:
 
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John Wesley (Methodist founder) believed this. He believed if someone never heard of Jesus he would have one last chance to accept Him when he died. I don't know if that's true, but I do know we serve a merciful God so it is possible. By this, I mean someone who never heard of Jesus, not someone who had heard of Him and chose to reject Him.

Not that I want to side track this thread, but have read a scripture that does IMO seem to state, we wil be judged on what is taught us about God, so if we're not taught anything we will be judged less than someone taught alot but who has rejected whats been said.
 
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IT IS A VERY PLAIN TRUTH THAT BILLY GRAHAM IS LOVED BY MMANNNYY CHRISTIANS, THIS DOES NOT MAKE HIM SO ELITE THAT HE CANNOT BE JUDGED BY THE BIBLE. SEE FOR YOURSELF.

In an interview with McCall’s magazine, January 1978, entitled “I Can’t Play God Any More,” Graham said: “I used to believe that pagans in far-off countries were lost—were going to hell—if they did not have the Gospel of Jesus Christ preached to them. I no longer believe that. … I believe that there are other ways of recognizing the existence of God—through nature, for instance—and plenty of other opportunities, therefore, of saying ‘yes’ to God.”

Though Graham later tried to stem the controversy brought about by his comments, he continued to allow for the possibility that the unsaved in other religions might not go to hell if they respond to natural light.

In 1985, Graham affirmed his belief that those outside of Christ might be saved. Los Angeles reporter David Colker asked Graham: “What about people of other faiths who live good lives but don’t profess a belief in Christ?” Graham replied, “I’m going to leave that to the Lord. He’ll decide that” (Los Angeles Herald Examiner, July 22, 1985). While this answer might appear reasonable to those who do not know the Bible, in reality it is a great compromise of the truth. God has already decided what will happen to those who die outside of faith in Jesus Christ. The book of Ephesians describes the condition of such as “children of wrath” (Eph. 2:3) and “having no hope, and without God in the world” (Eph. 2:12). That is why Christ must be preached. Men without a saving knowledge of Christ are condemned already (John 3:18). There is no mystery or question about this matter, because the Bible has plainly spoken.

In 1993, Graham repeated this philosophy in an interview with David Frost. “And I think there is that hunger for God and people are living as best they know how according to the light that they have. Well, I think they’re in a separate category than people like Hitler and people who have just defied God, and shaken their fists at God. … I would say that God, being a God of mercy, we have to rest it right there, and say that God is a God of mercy and love, and how it happens, we don’t know” (The Charlotte Observer, Feb. 16, 1993).

In his interview with Robert Schuller in May 1997, Graham again said that he believes people in other religions can be saved without consciously believing in Jesus Christ.

SCHULLER: Tell me, what do you think is the future of Christianity?

GRAHAM: Well, Christianity and being a true believer--you know, I think there's the Body of Christ. This comes from all the Christian groups around the world, outside the Christian groups. I think everybody that loves Christ, or knows Christ, whether they're conscious of it or not, they're members of the Body of Christ. And I don't think that we're going to see a great sweeping revival, that will turn the whole world to Christ at any time. I think James answered that, the Apostle James in the first council in Jerusalem, when he said that God's purpose for this age is to call out a people for His name. And that's what God is doing today, He's calling people out of the world for His name, WHETHER THEY COME FROM THE MUSLIM WORLD, OR THE BUDDHIST WORLD, OR THE CHRISTIAN WORLD OR THE NON-BELIEVING WORLD, THEY ARE MEMBERS OF THE BODY OF CHRIST BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN CALLED BY GOD. THEY MAY NOT EVEN KNOW THE NAME OF JESUS but they know in their hearts that they need something that they don't have, and they turn to the only light that they have, and I think that they are saved, and that they're going to be with us in heaven.

SCHULLER: What, what I hear you saying that it's possible for Jesus Christ to come into human hearts and soul and life, even if they've been born in darkness and have never had exposure to the Bible. Is that a correct interpretation of what you're saying?

GRAHAM: Yes, it is, because I believe that. I've met people in various parts of the world in tribal situations, that THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN A BIBLE OR HEARD ABOUT A BIBLE, AND NEVER HEARD OF JESUS, BUT THEY'VE BELIEVED IN THEIR HEARTS THAT THERE WAS A GOD, and they've tried to live a life that was quite apart from the surrounding community in which they lived.

SCHULLER: [trips over his tongue for a moment, his face beaming, then says] I I'm so thrilled to hear you say this. There's a wideness in God's mercy.

GRAHAM: There is. There definitely is (Television interview of Billy Graham by Robert Schuller, broadcast in southern California on Saturday, May 31, 1997).


THERE IS MUCH MUCH MORE EVIDENCE OF HIS STEP AWAY FROM THE TRUE FAITH. PLEASE CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING VERSE.

2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
2Ti 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
 
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I'm not going to say Graham's revised opinion is wrong. It is true that the only way unto the Father is through Jesus. But would Jesus choose to intercede for someone who didn't consciously believe in Him in life? That would be up to Him, wouldn't it? Nothing has been revealed to us that's wrong, but not all things have been revealed. And if this speculation is true, does it change anything? Not really. We still must preach the Gospel to all nations... but perhaps we might have a little more humble, more tolerant attitude, which wouldn't be a bad thing.
 
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Duck Doggers of the 24th and a half Century!


Ladies and gentilmen, before something is said that could be interpretated as wrong, let me remind you of one important rule:​

2.1 No Flaming

You will not "flame" other members or groups of members. Flaming includes, but is not limited to:​

- Ridiculing public figures important to another's religious beliefs;​

Now having said that, let me say that I have the utmost respect for this man. I may not agree on everything the man preaches or teaches, but I'm sure there is one thing we can all agree on. You really have to admire the man's zeal for the Lord. I wish I could lead just half as many people to the Lord as this man has.​

Anyway, as stated before, a lot of people place a lot of stock on the Rev. Billy Graham. So before something is said that could get you a warning, please take the time to taste your words before you speak them.​

I now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion.​

God Bless​

Till all are one.​
 
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Yesterday I spoke with freind of mine, and he heard something like, Billy is false prophet.. bla bla bla...

So I googled it and found tons of pages showing this, and some of his quotes... So I am kind of confused now...

What do you guys think? Is it possible that it is so hard to recognise false prophets today, or is this like fake accusations, or what...?

Billy Graham is the only tv evanglist that I can think of that is not a false prophet! All the rest are just after the money.
 
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Yesterday I spoke with freind of mine, and he heard something like, Billy is false prophet.. bla bla bla...

So I googled it and found tons of pages showing this, and some of his quotes... So I am kind of confused now...

What do you guys think? Is it possible that it is so hard to recognise false prophets today, or is this like fake accusations, or what...?
I wouldn't say he's a false prophet. A false prophet leads people away from the Lord. Billy Graham has lead many people to the Lord. He has grandchildren in the Lord, spiritually speaking. I would say that Billy Graham is human. As a human he wouldn't have all of God's word right, none of us will. If we knew everything there is to know about God, we wouldn't need God and it would make God not God but god.
With that said ... I'm not sure how people who have never heard the gospel will be judged. God's word is written on our hearts. I suppose they would be judged according to what is written on their hearts. But, I'm not God and cannot say nor judge as this is not my place to do so but God's alone.
I hope I made sense :sorry:
 
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About that claim Billy Graham has led many people to salvation.... I have my doubts, he preaches easy salvation, or grace, no law...... I know, I was a convert at a convention and was not truly saved, because I never repented of my sins.... sin was even covered that night, other than it was mentioned in passing, once......

So when 700 people went forward that night, and got those cool little story books(again, just grace, no repentance) and were asked if we accepted what we heard.... well he got 700 converts that night... cause it was easy....all you had to say was "I accept that" and then "Congratulations your a Christian now".....

For 11 years (8-17) I was unsaved.... until someone had the nerve to preach to law, and explain what a false convert, and what a true convert was....that night, that many years later, this "easy salvation convert" got truly saved.....

So yeah, I have to have my doubts and reservations about the effectiveness of Billy Graham......

My Brother also went forward that night, and he didn't get truly saved until 13 years later.....
 
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