tiglathpileser
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I never said you were an atheist. I was making a comment about atheists. To answer your second point adequately would require a theological treatise that is outside of the scope of this thread.
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Eh?
Firstly you'll notice I'm not an atheist.
Secondly, what is the truth then? My argument didn't blame God, I was pointing out that your explanation was completely nonsensical. Claiming that God alone was responsible for the polio vaccine means that for thousands of years he just sat on his hands letting millions suffer. It doesn't make sense if you then claim God is all powerful and all loving. If my child was sick I wouldn't withhold treatment saying 'sorry, you were born in the wrong century'.
So you say but I am pleased to say that 2.3 billion do not agree with you.
Point one. "Most christians accept..." And when did you survey the 2.3 billion christians on the earth to make such a spurious claim?" In all probability, at least 50% of the country's christians live in have never heard of evolution so claiming "most christians" is far fetched and unviable.[//quote]
If you are claiming that half of the Christians are illiterate then you can't claim that those other 50% are creationists. They would not enter into the discussion at all. But if you want to limit the discussion to educated people then I will gladly say that clearly at least half of educated Christians accept the theory of evolution. Uneducated people have all sorts of strange beliefs and that is really not their fault.
Point two. Mathematician Dr. Roger Penrose conducted a study of the probability of a
universe capable of sustaining life occurring by chance and found the odds to be 1 in 10 to the power of 10 to the power of 123. According to the probability theory, odds of 1 in 10 to the power of 50 represents zero probability. Dr. Penrose's calculation puts the odd of life emerging as Darwin described it at more than a trillion, trillion, trillion time less likely than zero.
Wrong, that is not what he did. And you do not understand how probability works. If you link his claim from a valid source I will show your error to you. If you can't then I have no need to refute your claim. Claims presented without evidence can be refuted without evidence.
Point three. The International Conference for Atheists.
You have probably been inaccurate of your impression of what occurred there. So far you have not been the most astute of observers when it comes to atheists here.
So you say but I am pleased to say that 2.3 billion do not agree with you.
Point one. "Most christians accept..." And when did you survey the 2.3 billion christians on the earth to make such a spurious claim?" In all probability, at least 50% of the country's christians live in have never heard of evolution so claiming "most christians" is far fetched and unviable.
According to the probability theory, odds of 1 in 10 to the power of 50 represents zero probability.
There is no such theory. You either made this up or got it from someone who made it up.
50%?
Really?
You seriously believe that 50% of the Christians in America haven't even heard of evolution?
Okay, since I know you won't do it, let's look at some actual statistics, not ones you just made up on the spot.
As you can see, the actual data shows that most people accept evolution in the US. And when we break it down even further...
We can play the 'majority determines who's right game' if you want, but the truth is that creationists don't actually have any real majority.
What it means is that your blindness is total so you won't see it even if I explain it. A bit like me taking a blind person out to bluebell wood and saying to him "I hope you can see the beauty that I am showing you."
The polio vaccine was thanks to God and God alone.
And science has advanced knowledge and has held us back at times when such scientists who are atheists claim God does not exist. Only man's superiority and brains are able to work things out.
quite understand, Tiglath, that many Christians, such as myself, have no trouble reconciling God with evolution. In fact, I have argued that evolution would not be possible without God. To better educate yourself here, I would suggest you do some readings in the works of Teilhard de Chardin, who understands evolution as the path to the Kingdom of God or the Omega point.
I always thought the path to the Kingdom of God was through Jesus Christ.I would suggest you do some readings in the works of Teilhard de Chardin, who understands evolution as the path to the Kingdom of God or the Omega point.
Nah, it's through the eye of a needle, on a camel, on a narrow road, with a lot of thistles.I always thought the path to the Kingdom of God was through Jesus Christ.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Everyone is what they are by choice because we all have a free will. I realise that there are many who are forced into prostitution and sex slavery especially in countries in the Middle East and Africa but in Western Civilisation that is not the norm. I am a christian because I chose to believe the Word of God. You are an atheist because you chose to believe what they say. If that is not the case then one can correctly claim that they forced you to become an atheist.
if my memory serves me correctly but it may not at my age, you rubbished christians as being dumb. I used these people which I have some knowledge of to point out that they are far from dumb. I could have picked up a load of names off the internet but chose not to. These are men that I either knew personally or had studied so I was confident about my choices. You will note that I don't make supercilious claims like atheists do that "most christians..." which is patently unprovable. There is no doubt that when you read such claims from atheists, we are definitely being exposed to very bad arguments. it doesn't worry me too much because I put down to the fact that they have no evidence for their position so they have to use the gift of exaggeration and generalisation and hope no one notices.
No, as I said I don't record everything in case I am asked by atheists for a link. My life is not lived for the benefit of atheists. It is lived for the glory of God. That means he is the only one that I want to please. What others think is irrelevant to me that is why when atheists try and put the guilt trip on me it falls on deaf ears.
That sounds defeatist, and unnecessary. Why bring up having access to truth if you aren't going to say what it is?No, you won't surprise me. I have been dialoguing with atheist for about 10 years now and to date, not one of them have understood the spiritual.
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