Bill Johnson

[sunlover1]

Anyone who's familiar with him.
I have a thread over in GT that's
getting interesting, I'd love to
hear your insight as well.

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[AbbaLove]

Anyone who's familiar with him.
I have a thread over in GT that's
getting interesting, I'd love to
hear your insight as well.

click

Bill Johnson Heidi and Rolland Baker Randy Clark ​

 

[Frogster]

His sis!

I am still trying to fiure out what this "reforamtion" they, the NAR apostles are trying to teach us little people?

Also, what is the "new" about, is it some secret revelation?

Also, why can't they call themselves servants, as Paul did. Yes, I know about Eph 4, but that word garners too much power, and repsect today in the mind of the church, for one to self anoint calling himeself an "apostle". It is a power word.


Bill visits 2 churches near me..I think they tend to "submit to his authority".

And of course, he is big on 'tithing", what else is new.

Alrighty sis, we most of the time agree, and we are pals, but this NAR thing..uh uh!

 

[ByTheSpirit]

Cant wait to read the bashing that will come out of this....

 

[AbbaLove]

Cant wait to read the bashing that will come out of this....

Don't be so negative? Why not ignore bashing?

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[sunlover1]

His sis!

I am still trying to fiure out what this "reforamtion" they, the NAR apostles are trying to teach us little people?

Also, what is the "new" about, is it some secret revelation?

Also, why can't they call themselves servants, as Paul did. Yes, I know about Eph 4, but that word garners too much power, and repsect today in the mind of the church, for one to self anoint calling himeself an "apostle". It is a power word.


Bill visits 2 churches near me..I think they tend to "submit to his authority".

And of course, he is big on 'tithing", what else is new.

Alrighty sis, we most of the time agree, and we are pals, but this NAR thing..uh uh!

Hi Frog.
I'm not super familiar with his teachings.
I listened to one of his podcasts a few years ago on fear.
(Didn't get much out of it iirc)
So I really want to know about HIM, what HE teaches,
not about NAR movement or whatever.
So the "submit to his authority" type of stuff isn't super
helpful.
You and I surely do disagree about a few things. I guess
thats because we're two different people
but we agree on lots, but that's beside the point lol.
Anyhow!
If you have anything specific that you think is unbiblical
i sure do want to know!

I have his book "Face to Face With God" I guess I should
have read it lol.
Now I can't remember where it is.

 

[sunlover1]

Bill Johnson Heidi and Rolland Baker Randy Clark ​

Never heard of these guys but thank you for posting AbbaLove!
I didn't want to start another discussion about Bill here,
I just wanted to invite more voices to the original thread.
But are Randy and Heidi/Rolland also involved with this NAR movement
(Is that a movement? I've only heard of it here in CF)

 

[Bobinator]

His sis!

I am still trying to fiure out what this "reforamtion" they, the NAR apostles are trying to teach us little people?

Also, what is the "new" about, is it some secret revelation?

Also, why can't they call themselves servants, as Paul did. Yes, I know about Eph 4, but that word garners too much power, and repsect today in the mind of the church, for one to self anoint calling himeself an "apostle". It is a power word.


Bill visits 2 churches near me..I think they tend to "submit to his authority".

And of course, he is big on 'tithing", what else is new.

Alrighty sis, we most of the time agree, and we are pals, but this NAR thing..uh uh!

I agree. Anyone who doesn't preach repentance and the cross as their core message is suspect, as far as I'm concerned. I understand the principle of authority, but the scripture does not promote man as an authoritative figure, unless he's the husband or government figure with respect to secular world dealings. Otherwise, the head of every man is Christ.

Rule of thumb- Follow the money.

 

[AbbaLove]

Never heard of these guys but thank you for posting AbbaLove!
I didn't want to start another discussion about Bill here,
I just wanted to invite more voices to the original thread.
But are Randy and Heidi/Rolland also involved with this NAR movement
(Is that a movement? I've only heard of it here in CF)

Not familiar with NAR ... will research and get back to you

Bill's best known for his book - When Heaven Invades Earth
Luke 17:21
"Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_sdgx4ima0
Listen to the first 15 minutes and you'll want to listen to remainder

Heidi Baker's Testimony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B36Bq44a6I

 

[sunlover1]

I agree. Anyone who doesn't preach repentance and the cross as their core message is suspect, as far as I'm concerned.
I understand the principle of authority, but the scripture does not promote man as an authoritative figure, unless he's the husband or government figure with respect to secular world dealings. Otherwise, the head of every man is Christ.

And BJ teaches that the head of every man is NOT Christ?

Rule of thumb- Follow the money.

And this is what?

 

[jiminpa]

Cant wait to read the bashing that will come out of this....

Just the typical "theology is more important than God" types demanding that anyone more Biblically sound than they are, which is pretty much everyone, be burned at the stake, which is why I stay off of the GT forum.

 

[sunlover1]

Just the typical "theology is more important than God" types demanding that anyone more Biblically sound than they are, which is pretty much everyone, be burned at the stake, which is why I stay off of the GT forum.

I should too but I"m a slow learner.

 

[AbbaLove]

And BJ teaches that the head of every man is NOT Christ?

And this is what?

Where is the complete transcript from which comes this twisted accusation. :o

Problem is that much of Christendom is so lukewarm that true followers of Christ threaten the status quo. Many believe all nine supernatural Gifts of the Holy Spirit are no longer available to empower followers to manifest His Glory.

Their only scriptural basis seems to be the misinterpretation of 1 Corinthians 13:8. This is the same verse used by the Jehovah Witnesses and others that believe these nine Gifts of the Holy Spirit are no longer in operation -- have ceased.

The thought that these nine supernatural Gifts are still available today is apparently unsettling to the religious comfort zone of much of Christendom.

John 14:12
Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

 

[Faulty]

Where is the complete transcript from which comes this twisted accusation. :o

Problem is that much of Christendom is so lukewarm that true followers of Christ threaten the status quo. Many believe all nine supernatural Gifts of the Holy Spirit are no longer available to empower followers to manifest His Glory.

Their only scriptural basis seems to be the misinterpretation of 1 Corinthians 13:8. This is the same verse used by the Jehovah Witnesses and others that believe these nine Gifts of the Holy Spirit are no longer in operation -- have ceased.

The thought that these nine supernatural Gifts are still available today is apparently unsettling to the religious comfort zone of much of Christendom.

John 14:12
Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

I find this post interesting because it starts out making a demand that an accusation be supported, then continues on to make multiple unsupported accusations of its own. Well done.

 

[AbbaLove]

I find this post interesting because it starts out making a demand that an accusation be supported, then continues on to make multiple unsupported accusations of its own. Well done.

If you or another provides the supporting transcript for the twisted accusation than I'll do likewise. Or better yet I'll go first.

Revelation 3:15-21
15 “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot.
16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.
17 Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked—
18 I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.
20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

I'll provide more than one source with excerpts and links to those that believe the Laodicean Church refers to today's state of Christendom in America.

OK, your turn (or whoever) to provide the original transcript from which comes the twisted faulty accusation, or as eluded the actual word for word transcript, youtube, audio.

And BJ teaches that the head of every man is NOT Christ?​

 

[ByTheSpirit]

If you or another provides the supporting transcript for the twisted accusation than I'll do likewise. Or better yet I'll go first.

Revelation 3:15-21
15 “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot.
16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.
17 Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked—
18 I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.
20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

I'll provide more than one source with excerpts and links to those that believe the Laodicean Church refers to today's state of Christendom in America.

OK, your turn (or whoever) to provide the original transcript from which comes the twisted faulty accusation, or as eluded the actual word for word transcript, youtube, audio.

Speculation only... not to mention the "american church" whatever that is, is not a reflection of the entire church.....

If I had a dollar for every post that said the "American Church" is Laodicea I would be filthy rich man... If only

 

[ByTheSpirit]

I find this post interesting because it starts out making a demand that an accusation be supported, then continues on to make multiple unsupported accusations of its own. Well done.

 

[geetrue]

BJ and TB were close buddies (BJ = Bill Johnson and TB = Todd Bentley)

Discerning is learning and judging is trudging ...

Stay clear till they prove the angel feathers in BJ's church are really from angels and the gold teeth found in TB's followers didn't come from their dentist.

 

[sunlover1]

BJ and TB were close buddies (BJ = Bill Johnson and TB = Todd Bentley)

Discerning is learning and judging is trudging ...

Is that a bentleyism or something?
Doesn't make a lot of sense.

Stay clear till they prove the angel feathers in BJ's church are really from angels and the gold teeth found in TB's followers didn't come from their dentist.

LOL..
gold teeth.
Not gonna judge gold teeth
and that feather thing is creepy
but again, not gonna judge that
I have no way to.

 

[sunlover1]

Originally Posted by onlybygrace84

Cant wait to read the bashing that will come out of this....
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Speculation only... not to mention the "american church" whatever that is, is not a reflection of the entire church.....

If I had a dollar for every post that said the "American Church" is Laodicea I would be filthy rich man... If only

He added value at least.

How bout you?
Got anything at all to help or should we consider
this just trolling?