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Thanks for clarifying that for all involved.This sort of thing is why I posted the quotes I did. I was very impressed with Rob Bowman's book, The Word-Faith Controversy. I am no fan of WoF. I think some of its doctrines and practices are unscriptural and potentially harmful to physical and emotional health. I can document some of its leaders from "my time" (the 1980s) making false prophecies and having false visions. But none of that makes any of those persons heretics, and certainly does not make the movement as a whole heretical.
Bowman characterized it as "a mess," and I think that's still valid. His reason for preferring that description was that their doctrines are inconsistent and disorganized. The official Statements of Faith of their ministries are usually fine. In the heat of preaching, they can easily say wacky or heretical things. Their books are often adapted from transcripts of spoken sermons, so the same stuff can end up in print. At other times, you could easily hear or read the same preacher address the same topic in a completely sane and orthodox way.
Walter Martin was a well-known apologist who was the first head of the Christian Research Institute. (The current head is the vastly inferior Hank Hanegraaff.) Bowman worked at CRI for a time. Virtually anyone would recognize Martin as an orthodox believer, with perhaps a few nonstandard beliefs, certainly not a heretic. Bowman used Martin as an example to demonstrate that if someone says, "Jesus worked His miracles and performed His earthly ministry as a man dependent on the Father (and/or the Spirit)," you cannot properly extrapolate that to mean that the person who said that believes Jesus stopped being God, and that therefore the person is a heretic. If the person also explicitly says that Jesus remains eternally God, the *most* one can honestly claim is that the person is inconsistent or unclear.
I don't like to sound ignorant, but I am not well read on WOF or really much of anything church or denomination related.
However, I do believe that "faith" is/can be the one deciding factor in
whether circumstances change or remain the same.
Faith in GOD that is, faith that God is true to His Word and that He truly does
"hear us" (if we pray according to HIS Will) and if He hears us, that we know
that we have what we've asked.
I also believe that we have much more say in things than we know or use.
(authority in the spiritual world)
A LOT of people are fearful of such a statement because they THINK that it
undermines God, as in trying to "usurp" His authority/power etc., not realizing
that God Himself has called us to be CO laborers WITH Him.
So I am betting that the WOFers are onto something but that they're too
..corinthianish lol.
"Name it claim it" is probably just faith on steroids (manmade) Man taking
God's truths and adding some of their own carnality to it perhaps.
Same with any group, any time.
Legalists have PART of it right, but they go out there and hunt down men
of God smh.
Grace without limits have MUCH of it right, but they mistake grace for license.
So balance is key, and we really need to know GOD!
Anything less is just a club , men trying to make the cut.
imo
One question.
What is the one book that you've read, that really
helped you to "see" God better?
(besides the Bible)
Thanks in advance.
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