Bill Johnson

[Craig de CrossWise]

Here's a portion of the aforementioned article:

Unfortunately, many online lexicons define Christos as Christ = “anointed” which is misleading and confusing. In the NT, Christos, though derived from chrio which means “to anoint” as noted above, is defining the unique Christ, Messiah, Son of God and He is thus the “Anointed One” as per the two sources for definitions above. While Christians are anointed by the Holy Spirit at baptism, we are obviously not referred to as “Christ” (Christos) upon baptism; and, furthermore, Jesus was described as “Jesus Christ” at the virgin birth which means the term was applied to Him prior to Baptism (of course, He was always Christ as noted above) rather than later at His Baptism by John as these online definitions would suggest.

 

[Craig de CrossWise]

Also, importantly, in the Greek, Jesus is referred to as Jesus the Christ, with the definite article preceding Christ.

 

[Simon Peter]

...
Bill Johnson quote:

The anointing Jesus received was the equipment necessary, given by the Father to make it possible for Him to live beyond human limitations. For He was not only to redeem man, He was to reveal the Father. In doing so, He was to unveil the Father's realm called heaven. That would include doing supernatural things. The anointing is what linked Jesus, the man, to the divine, enabling Him to destroy the works of the devil. These miraculous ways helped to set something in motion that mankind could inherit once we were redeemed.

Bill Johnson Redefines the Antichrist Spirit

Bill Johnson initially defines antichrist spirit correctly (though not completely as anti can also mean “instead of”11):

The nature of the antichrist spirit is found in its name: anti, “against”; Christ, “Anointed One.”12
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Yet, on the very next page he deceptively redefines the term:

It would seem that with all the significance attached to the name “Jesus,” anyone desiring to undermine His work of redemption might be referred to as “Anti-Jesus,” not “Anti-Christ.” Even religious cults recognize and value Jesus, the man. At the very least, cults consider Him to be a teacher or a prophet and possibly “a” son of God. This horrendous error provides us with an understanding of why antichrist was the name given to this spirit of opposition. The spirits of hell are at war against the anointing, for without the anointing mankind is no threat to their dominion.13
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I believe it is Bill re-defining anti-Christ to anti-annointing.

Interesting thought.
Isn't that what "Christ" means?
it's not like that's His Name, right?

I think what the concern should be, is that Johnson is telling his followers that those within the church who oppose 'the anointing' are anti-Christs.

Johnson claims the anointing includes 'doing supernatural things' ('signs and wonders' found at Bethel Church for example). Therefore, just daring to criticise some of the things going on at Bethel means you have the 'spirit of opposition' and makes you an anti-Christ.

Johnson is helping set the groundwork for what Rick Joyner calls the 'civil war in the church'.

It is also very worrying how Johnson seems to be teaching the 'manifest sons of God' heresy in the way he describes Jesus as just a man without the anointing, and how mankind can inherit the same anointing as Jesus (be just like Christ), in order to destroy the works of the devil.

To a dominionist like Bill Johnson, it is the anointing that will enable the church to rise up and subdue the world. But it seems like they want to first subdue the church, the 'anti-Christ' opposition in the church.


peace,
Simon

 

[simonthezealot]

I think what the concern should be, is that Johnson is telling his followers that those within the church who oppose 'the anointing' are anti-Christs.

Johnson claims the anointing includes 'doing supernatural things' ('signs and wonders' found at Bethel Church for example). Therefore, just daring to criticise some of the things going on at Bethel means you have the 'spirit of opposition' and makes you an anti-Christ.

Johnson is helping set the groundwork for what Rick Joyner calls the 'civil war in the church'.

It is also very worrying how Johnson seems to be teaching the 'manifest sons of God' heresy in the way he describes Jesus as just a man without the anointing, and how mankind can inherit the same anointing as Jesus (be just like Christ), in order to destroy the works of the devil.

To a dominionist like Bill Johnson, it is the anointing that will enable the church to rise up and subdue the world. But it seems like they want to first subdue the church, the 'anti-Christ' opposition in the church.


peace,
Simon

Good words Simon, he seems to be taking the Joyce Meyer "lil Gods" theology and running with it.

 

[AbbaLove]

Also, importantly, in the Greek, Jesus is referred to as Jesus the Christ, with the definite article preceding Christ.

Yeshua HaMashiach was Jewish
Jesus Christ in the Ancient Aramaic is Eashoa' M'sheekha

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[simonthezealot]

Yeshua HaMashiach was Jewish
Jesus Christ in the Ancient Aramaic is Eashoa' M'sheekha

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? what are you saying, just curious this makes no sense to me..

 

[Craig de CrossWise]

AbbaLove,

While I don't know Hebrew or Aramaic, the NT was all written in Koine Greek. So, it's the Greek that is important here. John does record the use of "Messias" (if my memory serves me on spelling) which is the Greek transliteration of the Hebrew word for Messiah, which I'll take you at your word that it's 'HaMashiach' (though I thought that "Ha" is equivalent to the definite article and "Mashiach" is the word for "Messiah").

 

[Craig de CrossWise]

Simon Peter,

You are wise to be concerned about the redefinition of antichrist to 'anti-anointing'. In the first edition of Johnson's book are the following words, which are omitted in newer versions:

...religious spirits [which are] demonic presence that works to get us to substitute being led of our intellect instead of the Spirit of God…Anything that will take the place of dependence upon the Holy Spirit [ED actually, again, Johnson’s “anointing”] and His empowering work can be traced to the spirit of opposition.

This is NOT what the orthodox meaning of antichrist is. To be antichrist is to be "against Christ" or a "substitute Christ", i.e. to be against the Messiah or a substitute for the Messiah, with the understanding that Jesus IS the Messiah.

 

[sunlover1]

I think what the concern should be, is that Johnson is telling his followers that those within the church who oppose 'the anointing' are anti-Christs.

I didn't see him calling them anti Christs.

Johnson claims the anointing includes 'doing supernatural things' ('signs and wonders' found at Bethel Church for example).

And does the anointing include doing supernatural things?

It is also very worrying how Johnson seems to be teaching the 'manifest sons of God' heresy in the way he describes Jesus as just a man without the anointing, and how mankind can inherit the same anointing as Jesus (be just like Christ), in order to destroy the works of the devil.

Where did he say that Jesus was "just a man without the anointing'?

 

[sunlover1]

Here's a portion of the aforementioned article:

Unfortunately, many online lexicons define Christos as Christ = “anointed” which is misleading and confusing.

IOW, you are more scholarly than the lexicons?

 

[Craig de CrossWise]

sunlover1,

You wrote, IOW, you are more scholarly than the lexicons?

I have 4 different print versions of Greek to English lexicons (I'd post links but I cannot just yet - one is known as BDAG, another is by Frederick William Danker), and none of them equate christos (Christ) with chrisma (anointing). The online lexicons are not correct.

 

[sunlover1]

sunlover1,

You wrote, IOW, you are more scholarly than the lexicons?

I have 4 different print versions of Greek to English lexicons (I'd post links but I cannot just yet - one is known as BDAG, another is by Frederick William Danker), and none of them equate christos (Christ) with chrisma (anointing). The online lexicons are not correct.

Not to be rude, but what makes the ones 'you' choose more
"correct" than the other lexicons?

 

[Craig de CrossWise]

sunlover1,

Note that I said many online lexicons are incorrect; they are not all. Again, since I cannot post links, I ask you to look up "Bible Hub", and find "Lexicon" at the top, from there you'll find Christos (Strong's # 5547 as meaning Christ, Anointed One, etc.), and you'll find chrisma (Strong's # 5545 as meaning anointing).

 

[Simon Peter]

Simon Peter,

You are wise to be concerned about the redefinition of antichrist to 'anti-anointing'. In the first edition of Johnson's book are the following words, which are omitted in newer versions:

...religious spirits [which are] demonic presence that works to get us to substitute being led of our intellect instead of the Spirit of God…Anything that will take the place of dependence upon the Holy Spirit [ED actually, again, Johnson’s “anointing”] and His empowering work can be traced to the spirit of opposition.

This is NOT what the orthodox meaning of antichrist is. To be antichrist is to be "against Christ" or a "substitute Christ", i.e. to be against the Messiah or a substitute for the Messiah, with the understanding that Jesus IS the Messiah.

'Religious spirit' along with 'Pharisee' are some of the most common accusations Johnson - and other New Apostolic Reformation types - throw at those who would criticise them.

It's interesting that Johnson makes 'religious spirit', 'demonic presence' accusations against spiritual people who also advocate the use of intellectual guidance, while Johnson's book is full of leading intellectual reasoning and deduction.

Rick Joyner preaches a similar sermon about the civil war 'blues and greys', the greys (grey matter/reasoning) being the bad guys (pro-slavery) and the blues (spiritual) being the good guys who will win the civil war.

I guess when Christians say they don't think barking like a dog while on hands and knees is evidence of the Holy Spirit, Johnson's best defense is that they're using too much intellect!

But again, these accusations of 'religious spirit', 'demonic presence' 'pharisee', 'spirit of opposition' and even 'anti-christ' are not being aimed at demons, they're being aimed at those of us in the church who dare criticise them.


peace,
Simon

 

[sunlover1]

Hebrew For Christians

The Meaning of Word "Mashiach"
The word "Messiah" (mashiach) comes from the verb mashach, which means to smear or anoint with oil, usuallyfor the purpose of dedicating or consecrating something (such as a temple vessel) or someone (such as a prophet, priest or king) for the service of Adonai.



To Anoint

Mashach.
Qal 3ms; to anoint or smear with oil; to consecrate.
Occurrences of shoresh in Tanakh: Gen. 31:13; Exod. 28:41; 29:2, 7, 36; 30:26, 30; 40:9ff, 13, 15; Lev. 2:4; 6:13; 7:12, 36; 8:10ff; 16:32; Num. 3:3; 6:15; 7:1, 10, 84, 88; 35:25; Jdg. 9:8, 15; 1 Sam. 9:16; 10:1; 15:1, 17; 16:3, 12f; 2 Sam. 1:21; 2:4, 7; 3:39; 5:3, 17; 12:7; 19:11; 1 Ki. 1:34, 39, 45; 5:15; 19:15f; 2 Ki. 9:3, 6, 12; 11:12; 23:30; 1 Chr. 11:3; 14:8; 29:22; 2 Chr. 22:7; 23:11; Ps. 45:8; 89:21; Isa. 21:5; 61:1; Jer. 22:14; Dan. 9:24; Amos 6:6.

The person (or thing) anointed by God was called mashiach - an "anointed one" or "chosen one":




Mashiach

Mashiach.
An anointed/consecrated person or thing. This could be a priest (Lev 4:3), a king (Samuel refers to Saul as the Lord's anointed), or a prophet (1 Kings 19:15-16). M'shichim as divinely chosen agents in the Tanakh include:

• King Saul (1 Sam. 10:1)
• King David (1 Sam 16:11-13, 2 SA 22:50-51)
• King Cyrus: Persian King (Isaiah 45:1)
• The Mashiach of Daniel (Daniel 9:25-26)

The significance of the divine anointing involves:

• Authorized separation for God's service
• God's inviolable choice of the anointed one (1 Sam 24:8ff)
• God's special enablement that accompanies the anointing (1 Sam 10:6ff;
  1 Sam 16:13ff)
• The engagement in the coming promised deliverance of Israel (cf. Isa 9:1-7;
  Isa 11:1-5; Isa 61:1).

Note that the term mashiach is applied to the priest only as an adjective --"the anointed priest" (Lev 4:3,5,16; 6:22), whereas its substantive use is restricted for the king alone:




The Anointed Priest

Hakohen Hammashiach.
The anointed priest (here the word functions as an attributive adjective/participle).
Reference: Lev. 4:3, 5, 16; 6:15.

 

[sunlover1]

'Religious spirit' along with 'Pharisee' are some of the most common accusations Johnson - and other New Apostolic Reformation types - throw at those who would criticise them.

It's interesting that Johnson makes 'religious spirit', 'demonic presence' accusations against spiritual people who also advocate the use of intellectual guidance, while Johnson's book is full of leading intellectual reasoning and deduction.

Quotes would be more helpful than generalizations
Thanks

Rick Joyner preaches a similar sermon about the civil war 'blues and greys', the greys (grey matter/reasoning) being the bad guys (pro-slavery) and the blues (spiritual) being the good guys who will win the civil war.

I guess when Christians say they don't think barking like a dog while on hands and knees is evidence of the Holy Spirit, Johnson's best defense is that they're using too much intellect!

This one I'd REALLY like to see a quote on.

But again, these accusations of 'religious spirit', 'demonic presence' 'pharisee', 'spirit of opposition' and even 'anti-christ' are not being aimed at demons, they're being aimed at those of us in the church who dare criticise them.

And this, this is terrible.
Where can I find this quote?

 

[Craig de CrossWise]

sunlover1,

Let me put it another way not one print lexicon confuses christos with chrisma. Even Strong's notes a distinction.

You can also look up studylight.org for an interlinear which shows the Greek (transliterations) and English. Try looking up 1 john 2:20 and 2:27 and you'll find Xpisma (chrisma) and look up any verse which contains Jesus Christ, and you'll find that Christ is Xpistws (Christos).

 

[sunlover1]

sunlover1,

Note that I said many online lexicons are incorrect; they are not all. Again, since I cannot post links, I ask you to look up "Bible Hub", and find "Lexicon" at the top, from there you'll find Christos (Strong's # 5547 as meaning Christ, Anointed One, etc.), and you'll find chrisma (Strong's # 5545 as meaning anointing).

Here's some more background
Perhaps they're not wrong?

The Meaning of Word "Mashiach"
The word "Messiah" (mashiach) comes from the verb mashach, which means to smear or anoint with oil, usuallyfor the purpose of dedicating or consecrating something (such as a temple vessel) or someone (such as a prophet, priest or king) for the service of Adonai.

To Anoint

Mashach.
Qal 3ms; to anoint or smear with oil; to consecrate.
Occurrences of shoresh in Tanakh: Gen. 31:13; Exod. 28:41; 29:2, 7, 36; 30:26, 30; 40:9ff, 13, 15; Lev. 2:4; 6:13; 7:12, 36; 8:10ff; 16:32; Num. 3:3; 6:15; 7:1, 10, 84, 88; 35:25; Jdg. 9:8, 15; 1 Sam. 9:16; 10:1; 15:1, 17; 16:3, 12f; 2 Sam. 1:21; 2:4, 7; 3:39; 5:3, 17; 12:7; 19:11; 1 Ki. 1:34, 39, 45; 5:15; 19:15f; 2 Ki. 9:3, 6, 12; 11:12; 23:30; 1 Chr. 11:3; 14:8; 29:22; 2 Chr. 22:7; 23:11; Ps. 45:8; 89:21; Isa. 21:5; 61:1; Jer. 22:14; Dan. 9:24; Amos 6:6.

The person (or thing) anointed by God was called mashiach - an "anointed one" or "chosen one":


Mashiach

Mashiach.
An anointed/consecrated person or thing. This could be a priest (Lev 4:3), a king (Samuel refers to Saul as the Lord's anointed), or a prophet (1 Kings 19:15-16). M'shichim as divinely chosen agents in the Tanakh include:

• King Saul (1 Sam. 10:1)
• King David (1 Sam 16:11-13, 2 SA 22:50-51)
• King Cyrus: Persian King (Isaiah 45:1)
• The Mashiach of Daniel (Daniel 9:25-26)

The significance of the divine anointing involves:

• Authorized separation for God's service
• God's inviolable choice of the anointed one (1 Sam 24:8ff)
• God's special enablement that accompanies the anointing (1 Sam 10:6ff;
  1 Sam 16:13ff)
• The engagement in the coming promised deliverance of Israel (cf. Isa 9:1-7;
  Isa 11:1-5; Isa 61:1).

Note that the term mashiach is applied to the priest only as an adjective --"the anointed priest" (Lev 4:3,5,16; 6:22), whereas its substantive use is restricted for the king alone:

The Anointed Priest

Hakohen Hammashiach.
The anointed priest (here the word functions as an attributive adjective/participle).
Reference: Lev. 4:3, 5, 16; 6:15.




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[Craig de CrossWise]

sunlover @ 3:07pm,

That's all well and good for the OT. But, this doesn't apply to the NT, which is all in Greek. I've attempted to show you the distinction between christos and chrisma. If you don't wish to at least look at the info, then there's not much more I can do.

 

[sunlover1]

sunlover1,

Let me put it another way not one print lexicon confuses christos with chrisma. Even Strong's notes a distinction.

You can also look up studylight.org for an interlinear which shows the Greek (transliterations) and English. Try looking up 1 john 2:20 and 2:27 and you'll find Xpisma (chrisma) and look up any verse which contains Jesus Christ, and you'll find that Christ is Xpistws (Christos).

I'm sure I trust you on that.
Did you see my post from the Hebrew For Christians.
Perhaps that's also correct?