Bikinis, Right or Wrong

[""]

Beware the Jabberwock, and shun the frumious Bandersnatch.

 

[The Gregorian]

as I've written in multiple places before:

there's nothing wrong with boobies. If you see a girl in a bikini and you immediately think of sex... YOU'RE the one with a dirty mind, maybe she's just comfortable. There's nothing wrong with people being naked, adam and eve were created naked... god didn't tell them to cover up, in fact, it's only when they became sinful that they decided to hide themselves. In essence, clothes are a product of sin.

Example: I once went to a friend's house, and we all got in the hot tub... turns out his girlfriend was a nudist. At first, I was a little uncomfortable with a naked girl I didn't know sitting in a hot tub with me, but everyone just talked like normal until I didn't even notice. It wasn't anything sexual, she just didn't like laundry, aparently. Afterwords, we got out, ate some dinner, played a couple card games, and no one paid any attention to the fact that there was a 'naked' person walking around... just another person. It didn't offend anyone, so there was nothing wrong with it, whatsoever. However, in modern america, it wouldn't be a good thing for women to suddenly start walking around town naked. Many people have been told that their body is very shameful and sinful, and they would be offended... and the bible never condones offending people. When the bible says to dress moderately, I believe it doesn't mean "X% of your skin must be covered by nontransparent material"... I believe it means 'don't offend others'

anywho... People who go to the beach don't like to wear a lot... it's hot, and it makes them not swim as well... THEY aren't sinful by wearing what's comfortable. In fact, even at a nude beach... it's the norm for people to be naked, therefore it's not a sin. If YOU think perverted thoughts whenever you see a boob... YOU shouldn't go there... but THEY aren't sinning because YOU have a dirty mind.

 

[""]

Afterwords, we got out, ate some dinner, played a couple card games, and no one paid any attention to the fact that there was a 'naked' person walking around... just another person.

I walk around nude at my own place sometimes, but i wouldn't prepare food for others, while I was nude. That's unsanitary.

As far as people being allowed to wear whatever they want, wherever they want, I posted about this in the other topic (bikini, right or thong), so I'll just reiterate it here.

If I were to go to the grocery store in a baby doll nighty, or perhaps go sit next to you at your job, in a thong bikini, with a sheer scarf tied around my waist, then you should know (according to you, and some others) that you shouldn't react as if anything is different. You should not smirk, laugh, whisper, hoot, whistle, or even get excited about what I'm wearing. Also, (according to some of you), it's not my fault if you do any of those things, because I shouldn't have to accept responsibility for your reaction to anything I'm wearing.

 

[Niels]

If I were to go to the grocery store in a baby doll nighty, or perhaps go sit next to you at your job, in a thong bikini, with a sheer scarf tied around my waist, then you should know (according to you, and some others) that you shouldn't react as if anything is different. You should not smirk, laugh, whisper, hoot, whistle, or even get excited about what I'm wearing. Also, (according to some of you), it's not my fault if you do any of those things, because I shouldn't have to accept responsibility for your reaction to anything I'm wearing.

Most guys certainly would react as if something was different... they might think "Uh, what's this crazy half-naked thong lady doing sitting next to me at work?" But lets say for the sake of this argument that they do happen to be excited by what you're wearing, and start to flirt... does that somehow mean they are likely to rape you? Of course not. I don't have the statistics, but I'd wager that most healthy males are more turned on by the idea of a woman being turned on to them. There's a reason so much pornography depicts the women as enjoying whatever happens, hence all the fake [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. The fantasy of the man appears more a desire to be be wanted by the woman, and to please her. Rape isn't about that at all. Rape is about violently going against a woman's will. To hurt her. She might be injured, cry bloody murder or any number of things. The rapist would be the one to cause this pain. While I cannot cite a particular study, I'm pretty sure most men do not want to assault the women they are attracted to. I know I sure don't.

Anyway, unlike lingerie, bikinis are not made to indicate a state of sexual intent, or to entice in the bedroom.. So, as a stright virile guy, while I might think "Wow, she's pretty", I'm certianly not going to think "She wants to have sex with me". Big difference there.

 

[Lifesaver]

I think most feminine swimwear today (bikinis) are very immodest. They appeal to the lowest desires in men, and thus contribute both to their sinning and to a general degradation of relations.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

I think most feminine swimwear today (bikinis) are very immodest. They appeal to the lowest desires in men, and thus contribute both to their sinning and to a general degradation of relations.

I think clothing that allow any part of a woman apart from her eyes to be seen is very immodest. They appeal to the lowest desires in men, and thus contribute both to their sinning and to a general degradation of relations.

See any difference in the two statements, apart from one of degree?

 

[""]

Most guys certainly would react as if something was different... they might think "Uh, what's this crazy half-naked thong lady doing sitting next to me at work?" But lets say for the sake of this argument that they do happen to be excited by what you're wearing, and start to flirt... does that somehow mean they are likely to rape you? Of course not. I don't have the statistics, but I'd wager that most healthy males are more turned on by the idea of a woman being turned on to them. There's a reason so much pornography depicts the women as enjoying whatever happens, hence all the fake [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. The fantasy of the man appears more a desire to be be wanted by the woman, and to please her. Rape isn't about that at all. Rape is about violently going against a woman's will. To hurt her. She might be injured, cry bloody murder or any number of things. The rapist would be the one to cause this pain. While I cannot cite a particular study, I'm pretty sure most men do not want to assault the women they are attracted to. I know I sure don't.

Anyway, unlike lingerie, bikinis are not made to indicate a state of sexual intent, or to entice in the bedroom.. So, as a stright virile guy, while I might think "Wow, she's pretty", I'm certianly not going to think "She wants to have sex with me". Big difference there.

It appears that we are in agreement on this issue. I'm the one who's been saying all along that rape is about violence, and not lust, or what somebody is wearing.

 

[The Gregorian]

If I were to go to the grocery store in a baby doll nighty, or perhaps go sit next to you at your job, in a thong bikini, with a sheer scarf tied around my waist, then you should know (according to you, and some others) that you shouldn't react as if anything is different. You should not smirk, laugh, whisper, hoot, whistle, or even get excited about what I'm wearing. Also, (according to some of you), it's not my fault if you do any of those things, because I shouldn't have to accept responsibility for your reaction to anything I'm wearing.

Due to the fact that it's not NORMAL... at first I'd giggle a little because boobs are like... kittens... you just can't be sad if you can see boobs (normal ones at least). After a few minutes I'd get used to it and treat you like normal because there's nothing WRONG with a person's body. Most people would have a problem though. (on a side note I regularly go to walmart in PJ's and puppy slippers... does that count?)

Most guys certainly would react as if something was different... they might think "Uh, what's this crazy half-naked thong lady doing sitting next to me at work?" But lets say for the sake of this argument that they do happen to be excited by what you're wearing, and start to flirt... does that somehow mean they are likely to rape you? Of course not. I don't have the statistics, but I'd wager that most healthy males are more turned on by the idea of a woman being turned on to them. There's a reason so much pornography depicts the women as enjoying whatever happens, hence all the fake [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. The fantasy of the man appears more a desire to be be wanted by the woman, and to please her. Rape isn't about that at all. Rape is about violently going against a woman's will. To hurt her. She might be injured, cry bloody murder or any number of things. The rapist would be the one to cause this pain. While I cannot cite a particular study, I'm pretty sure most men do not want to assault the women they are attracted to. I know I sure don't.

I very much agree. Yes... women are attractive, but (assuming I'm at least somewhat normal) guys don't WANT a girl that doesn't want them... we certainly don't mind looking because we find it pretty... when girls see pretty flowers, they stare... when guys stare, it's a compliment... we're not 'belittling you' or 'treating you as a sex object' we're not thinking about anything but 'ooo shiney.' And just because things are shiney, doesn't mean we want to get our 'groove' on with it.

also as for the rape comment: Even if guys are in a particularly... easy... mood, and want to sleep with random women, the point isn't to be violent...we WANT to be nice... guys LOVE knowing we did a good job... (tip for married people... hide a cookie somewhere within reach... next time you're done... give him a cookie and say 'thank you' You will be married to the happiest man in the world) [mods, if that's inapropriate, please tell me and I'll be glad to delete that part]

I think most feminine swimwear today (bikinis) are very immodest. They appeal to the lowest desires in men, and thus contribute both to their sinning and to a general degradation of relations.

'comfortable' does not equal 'sinful.' If a man goes to a beach, where it's the norm for women to be dressed a certain way (be it a bikini, or even a nude beach) and that man has impure thoughts, it's HIS fault he's a pervert... However MOST men don't see boobs and think "I want to cheat on my wife with that person"... he thinks "pretty." He's not comparing with his wife, he has no plans on doing anything... he thinks what most people think of a flower or kitten which is "Those make me smile."

And what about speedos? Some guys have VERY immodest swimwear... Do all women see this and immediately want to sleep with them? In my experience, I always hear girls saying "AACKK, I'M BLIND!"

 

[""]

Most people would have a problem though. (on a side note I regularly go to walmart in PJ's and puppy slippers... does that count?)

That's sort of cute, so I don't think anybody would really mind.