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I just had to ask..

..but you don't have to answer...
I see forgiveness as wiping someone's slate clean. It is where you no longer require indemnification for a wrong commit. I don't see it as condoning or encouraging the action in any way. I think it is very much for the benefit of the forgiver, as they are the ones hurt by whatever they are forgiving the forgivee for doing. To forgive or not, the forgiver is the one who has the power to let all parties involved learn from the situation and move on in whichever way they see fit. I do not think an apology (or even a genuine one) is required. Since it isn't for the forgivee, the forgivee needn't even know they were forgiven.

I think there are a lot of things that prevent forgiveness. I don't just mean saying you forgive, but really forgiving the wrong done. Pride is a big issue; it is hard to mend a hurt ego. I think feelings of guilt can be a factor too. If you feel guilty in any way (admitted or not), it is hard to forgive others because you'll have to forgive yourself and that oftentimes seems to be the hardest type of forgiveness to come by. Feelings of betrayal or abused trust prevent forgiveness because we can worry our forgiveness is taken as a free ticket and the crime will be commit again.

I think far too many people view it in a light of forgive and forget instead of forgive and live. I think an attitude of forgive and forget is unhealthy. Both parties (forgiver and forgivee) need to learn from what happened to continue their journey of self improvement, else they will fall into that trap time and time again. I think it also places unfair pressure on folks to both forgive and forget. It places a social pressure to forgive immediately before forgiveness could be theraputic. Anger has taken on such negative implications in today's societies that premature forgiveness is all too common. I think it also makes the forgivenesses not as genuine or helpful.

I do think people should allow themselves to go through the grieving process before forgiveness otherwise they might never deal with what happened to them in such a way they cannot deal with it in the future. I don't think everything needs to be forgiven either. I think in 2006 forgiveness and apologies have taken on less of a meaning and are diluted. So I burned dinner, it was an accident but am I really really sorry? No. It embarrassed me, but what harm was really done? So I dropped someone's pencil as I was trying to hand it back to them. Am I really sorry? What would being sorry for that accomplish or mean? I won't worry about it in five minutes, so is it even worth it? To be sorry in those instances is to be a people-pleaser and while some levels of pleasing others is fine, to do it to such a degree can be unhealthy.

Do I think we ever need to forgive others? Perhaps, but I think it would vary on an individual basis. What I might need to forgive you for, USincognito might not need to, and what USincognito might need to forgive you for, MightyHalo might not. If it is something you obsess over being made right, but can never really be indemnified, then yeah - forgiveness might be something you should consider.

My one sentence answer I told you I had would have been: Without speaking to him since it happened, I forgave ABCD for raping me.

Which is worse, a wet blanket or a wet willie?
A wet blanket, the wet willie is over in a matter of seconds, a wet blanket isn't.
 
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Purple Nurple or Native American Rub?
I don't know what a Native American Rub is, but Purple Nurple isn't really something I find that entertaining to give males.

Is Coggers feeling spunky today?
He generally is.

Do you know what a special person you are?
My mom tries to tell me I'm special sometimes, but then my sister quickly follows with some smart alec response about some other definifitions of special that kind of ruin the moment. I'm a human living life the best I know how. I don't think of myself as any more special than others though.
 
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Anything special these days going on with you?
Not really. I'm writing a lot these days, some of it I get paid for. Otherwise I am debating if I want to go back to school for one of two things. I suppose ultimately I will apply to programs for both and whichever one seems more prestigeous is the one I'll go to.

When you go out filming on location, do you have a lot of people stopping and staring at the set, wondering what's going on?
Well, you could consider half the crew to fall into that category! But yes, if it is somewhere that the public can get anywhere near at all, there will always be those curious people that want to see if someone famous is there or if they can get on camera in addition to the folks that just wanna see how it all goes down.
 
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Toe, is VAST's "Pretty When You Cry" your favourite song of all time? I know you quoted that song in your siggy for the longest time.;)
of all time? no certainly not. not even right now. it is my fave song from VAST though.
 
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What is or would be if it doesn't exist, your favourite flavour in what we Brits call crisps (do you call them chips?)
I'm not the biggest fan of crisps. I like tortilla chips because I usually order queso to smother them in. Otherwise, I like salt and vinegar or lime flavored crisps.

Big Toe,

If someone famous were going to play the part of "you" in your made for television life story, who would it be?

- SMH
See, that it is a TV movie is what I am stuck on. I need a TV actor, because unless it is a really really big story, the casting normally wouldnt go for the other actresses I'd want. I think they should go for some no name girl with a lot of talent. You know, give someone a leg up.

Hope that you have a great weekend
God bless you!:amen:
Thanks, you too.
 
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