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There is a factor called "entropy" in physics, indicating that the whole universe of matter is running down, and ultimately will reduce itself to uniform chaos. This follows from the Second Law of Thermodynamics, which seems about as basic and unquestionable to modern scientific minds as any truth can be. At the same time that this is happening on the physical level of existence, something quite different seems to be happening on the biological level: structure and species are becoming more complex, more sophisticated, more organized, with higher degrees of performance and consciousness.
This statement, above, was made by Sydney Harris, an evolutionist.
If you would like to argue that this only applies to closed systems, the following should put that to rest.
...there are no known violations of the second law of thermodynamics. Ordinarily the second law is stated for isolated systems, but the second law applies equally well to open systems. ...there is somehow associated with the field of far-from-equilibrium phenomena the notion that the second law of thermodynamics fails for such systems. It is important to make sure that this error does not perpetuate itself.
Are There Any Big Contradictions In The Evolutionary Theory?*
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Huge contradictions in 'scientific' thinking revealed: Theory of evolution in no way explains origins of life
by Mike Adams
You mean Syndey Harris, the syndicated columnist? Why on earth would anyone get scientific advice from a columnist?There is a factor called "entropy" in physics, indicating that the whole universe of matter is running down, and ultimately will reduce itself to uniform chaos. This follows from the Second Law of Thermodynamics, which seems about as basic and unquestionable to modern scientific minds as any truth can be. At the same time that this is happening on the physical level of existence, something quite different seems to be happening on the biological level: structure and species are becoming more complex, more sophisticated, more organized, with higher degrees of performance and consciousness.
This statement, above, was made by Sydney Harris, an evolutionist.
Argue that what applies only to closed systems? The second law certainly applies, but the idea that entropy never decreases doesn't. So which are you talking about?If you would like to argue that this only applies to closed systems, the following should put that to rest.
Right. And from that we can conclude . . . what, exactly, since entropy can increase in such systems?...there are no known violations of the second law of thermodynamics. Ordinarily the second law is stated for isolated systems, but the second law applies equally well to open systems. ...there is somehow associated with the field of far-from-equilibrium phenomena the notion that the second law of thermodynamics fails for such systems. It is important to make sure that this error does not perpetuate itself.
'....everyone knows that Christians never lie and always get all their information straight from God...'
'.... point out to us these contradictions? .... '
I wouldn't expect the theory of evolution to explain the origin of life, anymore than I would expect meteorological theory to explain the origin of the earth's atmosphere or germ theory to explain the origin of germs.
Are There Any Big Contradictions In The Evolutionary Theory?*
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Huge contradictions in 'scientific' thinking revealed: Theory of evolution in no way explains origins of life
by Mike Adams
Indeed. Far-from-equilibrium phenomena, such as living organisms, behave well within the laws of thermodynamics, even when they are evolving.... there is somehow associated with the field of far-from-equilibrium phenomena the notion that the second law of thermodynamics fails for such systems. It is important to make sure that this error does not perpetuate itself.
I wouldn't expect the theory of evolution to explain the origin of life, anymore than I would expect meteorological theory to explain the origin of the earth's atmosphere or germ theory to explain the origin of germs.
ToE explains what happened to life after it got going, just as meteorological science explains what happens to the atmosphere after it formed, just as germ theory explains how germs behave after they had originated.
Those "origins" questions are interesting but they tend to invoke different fields of scientific enquiry.
The origin of life, and germs invokes physics and chemistry. The origin of the earth's atmosphere invokes physics, chemistry and astronomy.
Can you provide me with some documentary evidence of that assertion?It was only when things were looking bad for it that it suddenly didn't matter anymore.
Abstract said:The replication of nucleic acids is central to the origin of life. On the early Earth, suitable non-equilibrium boundary conditions would have been required to surmount the effects of thermodynamic equilibrium such as the dilution and degradation of oligonucleotides. One particularly intractable experimental finding is that short genetic polymers replicate faster and outcompete longer ones, which leads to ever shorter sequences and the loss of genetic information. Here we show that a heat flux across an open pore in submerged rock concentrates replicating oligonucleotides from a constant feeding flow and selects for longer strands. Our experiments utilize the interplay of molecular thermophoresis and laminar convection, the latter driving strand separation and exponential replication. Strands of 75 nucleotides survive whereas strands half as long die out, which inverts the above dilemma of the survival of the shortest. The combined feeding, thermal cycling and positive length selection opens the door for a stable molecular evolution in the long-term microhabitat of heated porous rock.
Can you provide me with some documentary evidence of that assertion?
It must still matter, because scientists continue to research the topic. For example some of the latest results:-
Heat flux across an open pore enables the continuous replication and selection of oligonucleotides towards increasing length
The separation of evolution from origins is a relative new development. In its early years and when there was promise of finding the origins of life was ripe and expected it was a part of the theory. It was only when things were looking bad for it that it suddenly didn't matter anymore.
"it is no valid objection that science as yet throws no light on the far higher problem of the essence or origin of life"
Charles Darwin
3rd edition of The Origin of Species, 1861
The separation is not a new development. The theory did not include the origins of life from the very beginning. The theory is about the origin of species, not of life.
Darwin changed his position on origins several times during his life but his belief that life came from "a warm little pond" was documented in personal communications. Regardless, whether or not Darwin printed his beliefs, in School books origins was included.
Darwin changed his position on origins several times during his life but his belief that life came from "a warm little pond" was documented in personal communications. Regardless, whether or not Darwin printed his beliefs, in School books origins was included.
I wouldn't expect the theory of evolution to explain the origin of life, anymore than I would expect meteorological theory to explain the origin of the earth's atmosphere or germ theory to explain the origin of germs.
ToE explains what happened to life after it got going, just as meteorological science explains what happens to the atmosphere after it formed, just as germ theory explains how germs behave after they had originated.
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