Big Bang Theory???

[ScottBot]

And what does this have to do with the Big Bang theory? Talk about unwritten rules . . . would it be you that's writing them? Do you intentionally turn all conversations to RCism?

No, as a Catholic, I am not bound by the strenuous biblical literalism that vexes many other Christian groups. I am bound to accept the moral truth of Genesis, but I am under no obligation to accept that God literally took six 24 hour days to create the world, or believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

 

[ScottBot]

They're speaking in code so that you don't know what they are saying . . . .

Apparently. Is it Bible Code?

 

[ScottBot]

That is probably because I don't speak the "Catholic" lingo.
Btw, give your view on the Altar and Court if you can [you may have to use Jewish eyes though]. Thanks.

Revelation 11:1:And given to me a reed like unto [a] staff saying: Be Ye Arousing! and Measure Ye! the Sanctuary/Naos? of God, and the Altar and the Ones worshipping in it 2 And the Court[#833], the one without[#2081] the Sanctuary/Naos [#3485] be Casting- Out! [#1544] Out-side [#1854] and ye should not be measuring it/her, because it/she was given to the nations/gentiles, and the city, the holy, they shall be treading [#3961] for 40 and 2 months.

 

[racer]

No, as a Catholic, I am not bound by the strenuous biblical literalism that vexes many other Christian groups. I am bound to accept the moral truth of Genesis, but I am under no obligation to accept that God literally took six 24 hour days to create the world, or believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

Guess what? Neither am I. Maybe, that can help you see the difference between Biblical literalism and Sola Scriptura . . . ooops, now I done gone and went there . . . dragged SS into the discussion . . . .

 

[racer]

Apparently. Is it Bible Code?

Don't know 'bout that . . . . . .

 

[ScottBot]

Guess what? Neither am I. Maybe, that can help you see the difference between Biblical literalism and Sola Scriptura . . . ooops, now I done gone and went there . . . dragged SS into the discussion . . . .

For that you shall be punished.

 

[racer]

For that you shall be punished.

I just can't fathom someone relegating God to a 24 hour day, for one thing. Why would that be? He clearly created all of the planets, and the length of days vary on each.

 

[racer]

For that you shall be punished.

Oh, wait . . . you were talking about that whole SS thing weren't you . . . . :o

 

[ScottBot]

I just can't fathom someone relegating God to a 24 hour day, for one thing. Why would that be? He clearly created all of the planets, and the length of days vary on each.

Surprisingly, I have no witty retort to this observation.

 

[racer]

Surprisingly, I have no witty retort to this observation.

Lordy! Does that mean we agree? I may have to rethink my stance on this . . . .

 

[ScottBot]

Lordy! Does that mean we agree? I may have to rethink my stance on this . . . .

I could add a comment that counters Sola Scriptura, but I'm tired and I wanna go home. We can fight about it tomorrow. I promise.

 

[racer]

I could add a comment that counters Sola Scriptura, but I'm tired and I wanna go home. We can fight about it tomorrow. I promise.

Gee, I was just getting wound up . . . . .

 

[Tonks]

Guess what? Neither am I. Maybe, that can help you see the difference between Biblical literalism and Sola Scriptura . . . ooops, now I done gone and went there . . . dragged SS into the discussion . . . .

I'm guessing the remark was pretty much directed at me and not meant to derail the entire discussion.

Of all the things that Catholics are accused of, a strict literal interpreation of Genesis is usually not one of them....I knew what he meant. lol.

 

[jckstraw72]

I just can't fathom someone relegating God to a 24 hour day, for one thing. Why would that be? He clearly created all of the planets, and the length of days vary on each.

this really means nothing. Moses lived on earth, thus God spoke in earth days. You can go to any planet and 24 hrs will still be 24 hrs, beacuse hours is a unit of time invented by man. So Mars rotates on its axis in a different amount of time, lets say 16 hours just for the heck of it. So we're told it took God 6 24 hr days--thats 144 hours. If Moses lived on Mars then God would have said 9 days (using 16 hours as a Mars day). A friend of mine tried to use this argument with me before, talking about moon time and all this, and when you consider that God is outside time then it really all makes no sense. There's absolutely no reason for God to make up an imaginary timescale which means nothing to Him anyways. What makes sense is for Him to speak to Moses according to Moses' timescale, since any other timescale doesnt mean jack to Moses. and again, Exodus tells us that the Jews rested on the Sabbath bc God rested on the 7th day. and although this one always seems to get me in trouble....the Fathers were unanimous on the belief in a young earth, less than 10,000 yrs old, and almost unanimous on the belief in literal creation days. Subjecting the supernatural creative acts of God to natural sciences seems pretty silly to me.

 

[Carey]

this really means nothing. Moses lived on earth, thus God spoke in earth days. You can go to any planet and 24 hrs will still be 24 hrs, beacuse hours is a unit of time invented by man. So Mars rotates on its axis in a different amount of time, lets say 16 hours just for the heck of it. So we're told it took God 6 24 hr days--thats 144 hours. If Moses lived on Mars then God would have said 9 days (using 16 hours as a Mars day). A friend of mine tried to use this argument with me before, talking about moon time and all this, and when you consider that God is outside time then it really all makes no sense. There's absolutely no reason for God to make up an imaginary timescale which means nothing to Him anyways. What makes sense is for Him to speak to Moses according to Moses' timescale, since any other timescale doesnt mean jack to Moses. and again, Exodus tells us that the Jews rested on the Sabbath bc God rested on the 7th day. and although this one always seems to get me in trouble....the Fathers were unanimous on the belief in a young earth, less than 10,000 yrs old, and almost unanimous on the belief in literal creation days. Subjecting the supernatural creative acts of God to natural sciences seems pretty silly to me.

I truly believe God has the power to do iy in less tha 6 days and God would not need to rest. He only did so to set an example for us to follow since we don't have our hew Bodies yet.
But still I think there is a reason he pointed out 1000 years is but a dau to him I believe is jhow it is said in the Bible.

 

[jckstraw72]

I truly believe God has the power to do iy in less tha 6 days and God would not need to rest. He only did so to set an example for us to follow since we don't have our hew Bodies yet.

certianly God could have done it in any amount of time that He chose, but as you said, it was to imprint a workd schedule in man, I think. And I dont think the day of rest implies that God NEEDED rest, but rather that He ceased the unique creation acts.

 

[Carey]

certianly God could have done it in any amount of time that He chose, but as you said, it was to imprint a workd schedule in man, I think. And I dont think the day of rest implies that God NEEDED rest, but rather that He ceased the unique creation acts.

Agreed on that but still there is a reason why he had put in the Bible about him seeing time so differently .
are you familiar with that verse where he said 1000 years is but a day to him? What significance does it play in the understanding of the whole Bible ? We know the Bible never contradicts itself.

 

[racer]

this really means nothing. Moses lived on earth, thus God spoke in earth days. You can go to any planet and 24 hrs will still be 24 hrs, beacuse hours is a unit of time invented by man. So Mars rotates on its axis in a different amount of time, lets say 16 hours just for the heck of it. So we're told it took God 6 24 hr days--thats 144 hours. If Moses lived on Mars then God would have said 9 days (using 16 hours as a Mars day).

I understand your logic, and don't deny that it is plausible.

A friend of mine tried to use this argument with me before, talking about moon time and all this, and when you consider that God is outside time then it really all makes no sense.

Which is why I wonder why literalists want to restrict him to earth time.

There's absolutely no reason for God to make up an imaginary timescale which means nothing to Him anyways. What makes sense is for Him to speak to Moses according to Moses' timescale, since any other timescale doesnt mean jack to Moses.

Who says God made up an imaginary timescale?

and again, Exodus tells us that the Jews rested on the Sabbath bc God rested on the 7th day.

Why do you think God's time must be exactly as is ours? Why do you think His days had to be 24 hours. As long as we are in line with his instructions. So, his day was a 1,000 years, our day is 24 hours. We face a few limitations that God does not. His sabbath was the 7th day of 1,000 years, our sabbath is the 7th day of 24 hours. Same difference.

and although this one always seems to get me in trouble....the Fathers were unanimous on the belief in a young earth, less than 10,000 yrs old, and almost unanimous on the belief in literal creation days. Subjecting the supernatural creative acts of God to natural sciences seems pretty silly to me.

We are not subjecting God to the laws of natural science. However, science reveals to us certain facts. How do we make science fit the history of creation? By contemplating the possibility that God's timetable is not exactly the same as is ours.

 

[jckstraw72]

are you familiar with that verse where he said 1000 years is but a day to him? What significance does it play in the understanding of the whole Bible ? We know the Bible never contradicts itself.

i understand that to be demonstrating that time is nothing to God. A day, 1000 yrs..pshh, whatever-Gods outside of it all anyways. Should we literally understand that a day is 1000 yrs to God? I think a day could just as well be like 1 million yrs to God. the point is that He's outside it all. He sees all of eternity at all times.

 

[jckstraw72]

His sabbath was the 7th day of 1,000 years, our sabbath is the 7th day of 24 hours. Same difference.

Adam and Eve are pretty durn old then eh? I always heard that Methusaleh was the oldest guy.

I know thats not proof or anything, just throwing that out there.