How did the polls do last time?
The polls tended to be fairly accurate, with the results within the margin of error. The issue was some analysts break down of how it would make the Electoral College look, basically they didn't think every close state would break for Trump, and some were wrong. At best, for those that used percentages, the fact that all these close states needed to go to Trump lead them to post odds that reflected that, making Trump look like a long shot. Of course, all those states did go to Trump. That isn't a fault of the polls -- the polls showed those states were "too close to call."
We do know that last time progressive voters did not all show up to vote for Clinton.
Yes, just like Republicans didn't show up in 2008 or 2012. We'll see how Biden does in getting out the vote. I suspect he'll do much better, if nothing else by merely showing up to the "battleground states," which Hillary didn't and may have cost her the election.
Except for the Bernie supporters who didn't vote Clinton you mean?
Do you think folks like Jimmy Dore or his audience are conservatives?
I didn't vote for Trump last time, and won't this time.
Did you miss the qualifier "most of those?" "Establishment Democrat" seems to have become a big talking point on the Right, seeming trying to influence Bernie supporters to feel upset and not to vote for Biden. That definitely appears to be true here on Christian Forums.
I will add one qualifier -- I do think "establishment candidate" fit in 2016. Clinton bailed out the DNC when they had financial issues and essentially got her people in control. In essence, she rigged the nomination in her favor -- and Bernie still almost beat her (she is not a good candidate, as shown in 2008 and 2016).
This year, for all the claims of "rigged" that I've heard, the fact is the primary rules were altered, with many of them (such as releasing the total vote counts in caucus states) change on suggestion from Bernie. While I know some want to see a "conspiracy" with all the "establishment" (which in this case actually means moderate) candidates ending their campaigns right around Super Tuesday and endorsing Biden -- the simple fact is that it what always happens in political campaigns. The smaller candidates (Klobuchar, Buttigieg, Yang, etc.) ran out of money, so they quit and endorsed the front-running candidate whose stances on the issues were closest to their own -- Biden. It was no different than most any other modern primary when the party does not control the presidency and has a dozen candidates running.
Or they could vote third party and find someone they don't have to hold their nose for.
And that is a possibility. Of course, doing that you add to the chances of not getting a President whose beliefs are closer to your own, and instead end up with the President having opposite positions than you espouse. I think for Bernie supporters, they'll need to decide if they are comfortable with 4 more years of Trump, if they feel Biden will be a better choice (if not who they want), or if they think a third party candidate has a chance of actually influencing the election.
