Biden is weighing whether to continue in the race

[A2SG]

No, immunity isn't a license to do whatever they want to, and not be held accountable.

Immunity from criminal prosecution means one has immunity from being prosecuted on a criminal offense. You don't need to be a lawyer to understand that much.

In the first 25 minutes of this video Ben Shapiro, who is a lawyer, explains what immunity actually entails.

No thanks. Not interested in anything Ben Shapiro has to say.

Nobody except those who strongly dislike Trump like you care.

I think many people care about criminals being prosecuted for the crimes they've committed, regardless of their political leanings. Not everything is about Trump. (Just don't tell Trump that, I don't think he knows.)

Most American are aware the US government is responsible for crimes far worse than Trump.

So if you've committed less crime than someone else, you shouldn't be prosecuted for anything? What would the threshold be? Less crime than Ted Bundy, you're free to go?

Not the way our legal system works, dude.

I haven't seen Joe Biden show any remorse either.

I guess that would depend on what you think he needs to be remorseful for. His views on that may differ from your own.

You think capitalism is a bad thing?

Not in and of itself. I don't think greed is a good thing, though, despite what the Gordon Gekkos of the world believe.

Well so far you haven't given me an example of Trumps word salads, only an example of Trump telling a story about asking someone a "would you rather" joke question.

I mentioned one, you didn't seem to care about it, so I didn't bother looking for any more of them. But if you have a problem with word salads, try looking on YouTube, Trump has quite a few examples there. If you don't, well then, that's your business.

Still unclear on what that has to do with Vice President Harris, though, but farbeit from me to tell you what you should or shouldn't have a problem with.

What would you need to convince you that Biden is not physically or mentally fit to be president?

Why is it up to me to decide that? I'm not a doctor or a medical professional, I'm not qualified to judge anyone's physical or mental heath.

If he's on the ballot in November, though, I will vote for him. Mostly because the alternative is far, far worse.

Biden telling less lies doesn't make him any morally superior to Trump. Just one lie is enough to cause destruction. For example the weapons of mass destruction lie that led to the war in Iraq. So they're both the same. Liars. Yet you're still voting for Biden despite this. So I have to conclude it isn't the lying that's the problem....

You brought it up, not me. If lies are an issue for you, then clearly one of the two tells more of them than the other. If lies aren't an issue, then it doesn't matter how many either of them tells. Your call.

I've been around long enough to know that all people lie, and politicians aren't an exception.

-- A2SG, even my cats lie...they act like they haven't eaten for days when I know full well I just fed them an hour ago.....

 

[MrMoe]

Immunity from criminal prosecution means one has immunity from being prosecuted on a criminal offense. You don't need to be a lawyer to understand that much.

In fact you do need to be a lawyer:

"...Filing a lawsuit to stop the various Jack Smith lawsuits against him. His (Jack Smith) claim was that as president of the United States no matter what he did while he was President of the United States he has full immunity from criminal prosecution. That of course is not true. That is a step too far. The idea that the president of the United States is never for any activity able to be criminally prosecuted is really silly. If the president of the United States decided that in his home in the white house he was just going to murder a maid for example could he be criminally prosecuted? The answer of course is yes."

No thanks. Not interested in anything Ben Shapiro has to say.

Why not? He's a lawyer. You're not a lawyer or a legal professional. You're not qualified to judge anyone's immunity or criminal offense.

I think many people care about criminals being prosecuted for the crimes they've committed, regardless of their political leanings. Not everything is about Trump. (Just don't tell Trump that, I don't think he knows.)

Many, but not all. That seems evident form Trump's polling numbers not significantly dropping after the verdict. In fact they're gone up.

So if you've committed less crime than someone else, you shouldn't be prosecuted for anything?

Never said that. You should be prosecution, but so should someone who's committed worse crimes. But as American's have seen, that rarely happens when it comes to those higher ups in government.

What would the threshold be? Less crime than Ted Bundy, you're free to go?

See above answer.

Not the way our legal system works, dude.

The legal system doesn't work. At least for some people.

I guess that would depend on what you think he needs to be remorseful for. His views on that may differ from your own.

Lying. He hasn't shown remorse for his many lies.

Not in and of itself. I don't think greed is a good thing, though, despite what the Gordon Gekkos of the world believe.

Capitalism doesn't always equate to greed.

I mentioned one, you didn't seem to care about it, so I didn't bother looking for any more of them. But if you have a problem with word salads, try looking on YouTube, Trump has quite a few examples there. If you don't, well then, that's your business.

Still unclear on what that has to do with Vice President Harris, though, but farbeit from me to tell you what you should or shouldn't have a problem with.

The story about the shark and the boat isn't a word salad. You're the one who seems to have a problem with word salads. I'm assuming that's why you brought it up. So I gave you an example of Kamala Harris' word salads since she's the VP to Biden and thought you might have an with her word salads too.

Why is it up to me to decide that? I'm not a doctor or a medical professional, I'm not qualified to judge anyone's physical or mental heath.

Before you told me you don't need to be a lawyer "to understand that much". But now you apparently need to be a doctor or a medical professional to see Biden's obvious cognitive decline.

If he's on the ballot in November, though, I will vote for him. Mostly because the alternative is far, far worse.

There are other alternatives besides voting for Trump or Biden.

You brought it up, not me.

Brought what up? Trump lying? You brought that up.

If lies are an issue for you, then clearly one of the two tells more of them than the other. If lies aren't an issue, then it doesn't matter how many either of them tells. Your call.

They are an issue to me, but apparently not to you, at least not when it's Biden doing the lying, since you say you're still voting for him.

I've been around long enough to know that all people lie, and politicians aren't an exception.

-- A2SG, even my cats lie...they act like they haven't eaten for days when I know full well I just fed them an hour ago.....

So why bring up Trump lying? He's just acting like a typical politician.

 

[A2SG]

In fact you do need to be a lawyer:

"...Filing a lawsuit to stop the various Jack Smith lawsuits against him. His (Jack Smith) claim was that as president of the United States no matter what he did while he was President of the United States he has full immunity from criminal prosecution. That of course is not true. That is a step too far. The idea that the president of the United States is never for any activity able to be criminally prosecuted is really silly. If the president of the United States decided that in his home in the white house he was just going to murder a maid for example could he be criminally prosecuted? The answer of course is yes."

Remember what I said: "someone who argues for absolute immunity from criminal prosecution sure sounds like someone who doesn't think the law should apply to him."

Trump's legal team argued for "absolute immunity." Granted, that isn't what he got, but it is what he felt he should have.

My comments stand. You, or anyone else, are free to disagree.

Why not? He's a lawyer. You're not a lawyer or a legal professional. You're not qualified to judge anyone's immunity or criminal offense.

And I'm not doing that.

Many, but not all. That seems evident form Trump's polling numbers not significantly dropping after the verdict. In fact they're gone up.

Hey, if people are fine with voting convicted felons into the White House, that's their business. I'm not.

Never said that.

You seemed to, when you brought up the idea that others (including the government itself) committed worse crimes. What has other people's (or other institutions) crimes to do with some other individual's prosecution for their own crimes?

You should be prosecution, but so should someone who's committed worse crimes.

I never said otherwise.

But as American's have seen, that rarely happens when it comes to those higher ups in government.

Except when it does. Senator Melendez comes to mind, although there have been others.

The legal system doesn't work. At least for some people.

No one ever said it was perfect, but it does work. One way it doesn't work, however, is that one person's prosecution doesn't halt simply because someone else committed more serious crimes.

Lying. He hasn't shown remorse for his many lies.

So don't vote for him, or for anyone else who doesn't show remorse for their many lies.

Or do. Your call.

Capitalism doesn't always equate to greed.

I never said it did.

The story about the shark and the boat isn't a word salad. You're the one who seems to have a problem with word salads. I'm assuming that's why you brought it up. So I gave you an example of Kamala Harris' word salads since she's the VP to Biden and thought you might have an with her word salads too.

I never claimed to have a problem with word salads. I simply brought it up as an example of Trump losing his train of thought, something you seem to think "isn't true" of Trump. But if you're fine with that, or any other examples of Trump's rambling, that's your business.

Before you told me you don't need to be a lawyer "to understand that much". But now you apparently need to be a doctor or a medical professional to see Biden's obvious cognitive decline.

You asked what I'd need to be convinced that President Biden "is not physically or mentally fit to be president." I am not qualified to determine who is or isn't physically or mentally fit for any job.

Understanding the term "immune from criminal prosecution" doesn't require specific legal knowledge.

There are other alternatives besides voting for Trump or Biden.

Sure, but a vote for any other candidate means it's more likely Trump will win. That's not something I'm comfortable with.

Granted, my state is pretty solidly blue, so it's not a major concern, but still...

Brought what up? Trump lying? You brought that up.

Nope. You started this subject when you said: "Did you believe that Trump called neo-nazis "very fine people" when you heard it on the media?" When I said we'd discussed that before, you responded, "Many people believed and some still believe Trump called neo-nazis very fine people, including Joe Biden who keeps spreading this lie even though its been debunked years ago. This just shows how media can influence peoples thoughts and opinions about a person. It's important to be aware of it."

Don'tcha just love cut and paste?

They are an issue to me, but apparently not to you, at not least when it's Biden doing the lying, since you say you're still voting for him.

I told you why I plan to vote for President Biden, and my reasons have nothing to do with the fact that he, like every other person on earth, has lied before.

So why bring up Trump lying? He's just acting like a typical politician.

I didn't bring that up. You did. See above.

-- A2SG, as I keep saying, your reasons for voting for whomever you choose are your own....I have no interest in changing your mind one way or the other....vote however you wish.....

 

[MrMoe]

Remember what I said: "someone who argues for absolute immunity from criminal prosecution sure sounds like someone who doesn't think the law should apply to him."

Trump's legal team argued for "absolute immunity." Granted, that isn't what he got, but it is what he felt he should have.

My comments stand. You, or anyone else, are free to disagree.

Someone using a legal team is applying the law. Someone who doesn't think the law should apply to them wouldn't do that.

And I'm not doing that.

But you are acting like you know what you're talking about when it comes to Trump's legal case.

Hey, if people are fine with voting convicted felons into the White House, that's their business. I'm not.

But you are fine with voting a racist, narcissist, liar and plagiarist into the white house. Which is strange.

You seemed to, when you brought up the idea that others (including the government itself) committed worse crimes. What has other people's (or other institutions) crimes to do with some other individual's prosecution for their own crimes?

To show you why people don't really care that Trump paid off a porn star. They are aware people in government have gotten away with much worse.

I never said otherwise.

Good. Glad we agree on that.

Except when it does. Senator Melendez comes to mind, although there have been others.

There are always outliers.

No one ever said it was perfect, but it does work. One way it doesn't work, however, is that one person's prosecution doesn't halt simply because someone else committed more serious crimes.

I think you meant to say "One way it does work".

So don't vote for him, or for anyone else who doesn't show remorse for their many lies.

Or do. Your call.

The question is why are you voting for him even though he has shown no remorse for his lies?

I never said it did.

Then why bring up the topic of greed?

I never claimed to have a problem with word salads. I simply brought it up as an example of Trump losing his train of thought, something you seem to think "isn't true" of Trump. But if you're fine with that, or any other examples of Trump's rambling, that's your business.

Trump asking a joke hypothetical question isn't an example of losing your train of thought. An example of losing your train of thought would be stammering over your words then going silent, looking confused then saying something irrelevant like "We finally beat Medicare." Which Biden did at the debate.

You asked what I'd need to be convinced that President Biden "is not physically or mentally fit to be president." I am not qualified to determine who is or isn't physically or mentally fit for any job.

Understanding the term "immune from criminal prosecution" doesn't require specific legal knowledge.

Neither does observing someone's cognitive struggles require expert medical knowledge.

Sure, but a vote for any other candidate means it's more likely Trump will win. That's not something I'm comfortable with.

Granted, my state is pretty solidly blue, so it's not a major concern, but still...

You don't know how others are going to vote. With the ways thing have gone down for Biden right now, voting for him might make it more likely of Trump winning. That is if he doesn't drop out before then, which seems more likely by the day.

Nope. You started this subject when you said: "Did you believe that Trump called neo-nazis "very fine people" when you heard it on the media?" When I said we'd discussed that before, you responded, "Many people believed and some still believe Trump called neo-nazis very fine people, including Joe Biden who keeps spreading this lie even though its been debunked years ago. This just shows how media can influence peoples thoughts and opinions about a person. It's important to be aware of it."

Don'tcha just love cut and paste?

Yeah, I was talking about the media taking Trump's "very fine people" comment out of context. But then you randomly decided to bring up Trump's lie count:

I'm well aware of how the media works. As I said, I have training in journalism, and have worked in the field. My wife continues to do so, and has for 30 years.

As to lies told by either candidate, well, neither are exactly unique in that. All politicians lie, as do all human beings.

Though, if you want to compare the two, Trump comes out clearly ahead in both the sheer number of lies, as well as the severity of them. If that matters.

According to Politifact:

Biden has 7 lies rated "pants on fire," 63 rated "false" and 60 rated "mostly false."

Trump has 192 lies rated "pants on fire," 392 rated "false" and 199 rated "mostly false."

So, either lies matter, or they don't. Your call.

-- A2SG, if the guy who told 130 lies worries you, but the one who told 783 doesn't, then I have to conclude it isn't the lying that's the problem....

What does Trump's lies have to do with the media taking him out of context?

I told you why I plan to vote for President Biden, and my reasons have nothing to do with the fact that he, like every other person on earth, has lied before.

So why bring up Trump's lie count?

I didn't bring that up. You did. See above.

-- A2SG, as I keep saying, your reasons for voting for whomever you choose are your own....I have no interest in changing your mind one way or the other....vote however you wish.....

You did. I quoted the section when you brought it up. See above.

 

[wing2000]

Joe Biden has exploded job growth by creating a part-time economy. Part-time jobs have no benefits, no 401k and no future. You have to work 2 or 3 just to make what you made at one full-time job under Trump. Since you are working 2 or more jobs, you have no time for your family and your kids are being raised by liberals in daycare. Here's how Democrat math works. You lose 1 full-time job and gain 3 part-time jobs and Joe Biden just created 2 jobs! And yet your life SUCKS. THIS is why Biden had record low approval on the economy despite "creating a bazillion jobs."

How did Biden force companies to offer Part-time jobs?

 

[Truth7t7]

President Biden has told a key ally that he knows he may not be able to salvage his candidacy if he cannot convince the public in the coming days that he is up for the job after a disastrous debate performance last week.​

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The conversation is the first indication to become public that the president is seriously considering whether he can recover after a devastating performance on the debate stage in Atlanta on Thursday. Concerns are mounting about his viability as a candidate and whether he could serve as president for another four years.​

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Biden Tells Allies He Knows He Has Only Days to Salvage Candidacy

The president’s conversations are the first indication that he is seriously considering whether he can recover after a devastating debate performance. The White House said he had not spoken about leaving the race.

www.nytimes.com

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"Breaking"​

MSN​

Prediction: Sorry Democrats, Biden Isn't Going Anywhere​

Story by Robby Soave
• 1hr ago

Prediction: Sorry Democrats, Biden Isn't Going Anywhere© Reason

President Joe Biden sent a defiant letter to congressional Democrats on Monday morning stating unequivocally: "I am firmly committed to staying in this race." This followed his Friday interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, in which he said it would take a literal act of God to force him off the 2024 Democratic presidential ticket.

 

[wing2000]

ABC’s George Stephanopoulos interviewed Biden on July 5th -- I think it's a fair interview.

I also think Biden is in denial....
- He has not watched the debate (or he doesn't think he has...)
- He refuses to acknowledge he's behind. "I don't buy that."

 

[BPPLEE]

How did Biden force companies to offer Part-time jobs?

He didn’t. He just took credit for it and doesn’t advertise that they are part time jobs

 

[wing2000]

He didn’t. He just took credit for it and doesn’t advertise that they are part time jobs

You wrote:
Joe Biden has exploded job growth by creating a part-time economy.

 

[BPPLEE]

You wrote:
Joe Biden has exploded job growth by creating a part-time economy.

He takes credit for it.

 

[wing2000]

He takes credit for it.

I see. So you are retracting your original statement. Have you *ever* seen any candidate not take credit for all jobs?

The fact is, the part time economy started way before the Biden presidency. Corporate America figured out years ago that dumping full time employees and their benefit package is a no brainer.

 

[BPPLEE]

I see. So you are retracting your original statement. Have you *ever* seen any candidate not take credit for all jobs?

The fact is, the part time economy started way before the Biden presidency. Corporate America figured out years ago that dumping full time employees and their benefit package is a no brainer.

This is what has happened under Biden. He owns it He touts the numbers

 

[wing2000]

This is what has happened under Biden. He owns it He touts the numbers

...you have not demonstrated that it "has happened under Biden."
And get back to me when any candidate segregates part time jobs from full time jobs data.

 

[BPPLEE]

...you have not demonstrated that it "has happened under Biden."
And get back to me when any candidate segregates part time jobs from full time jobs data.

Give us the numbers. How many jobs “created “ the last 3 years are part time? If you lose a full time job and gain 3 part time jobs is that a net gain of 2 jobs?

 

[wing2000]

Give us the numbers. How many jobs “created “ the last 3 years are part time? If you lose a full time job and gain 3 part time jobs is that a net gain of 2 jobs?

You made the claim. Start a new thread on the topic.

 

[BPPLEE]

You made the claim. Start a new thread on the topic.

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www.heritage.org

 

[Truth7t7]

ABC’s George Stephanopoulos interviewed Biden on July 5th -- I think it's a fair interview.

I also think Biden is in denial....
- He has not watched the debate (or he doesn't think he has...)
- He refuses to acknowledge he's behind. "I don't buy that."

Ole George was swinging the democrats hammer in intimidation against Biden, who could claim otherwise

It's been 10 days since the debate, Biden has weathered the hurricane, as was revealed in his letter to democrats today, he's not going to leave his campaign for president its that simple

 

[A2SG]

Someone using a legal team is applying the law. Someone who doesn't think the law should apply to them wouldn't do that.

Sure they would. "The law is for little people, not people like me. I'm above it."

Think Lex Luthor, and we're about on a par. (Minus the genius intellect, of course.)

But you are acting like you know what you're talking about when it comes to Trump's legal case.

I do. I'm just not judging whether or not he is legally immune from prosecution. The Supreme Court did that. I'm merely saying Trump, through his legal team, argued that he should have "absolute immunity" for everything he did as president, which indicates to me that he believes he's above the law.

You are, of course, free to disagree.

But you are fine with voting a racist, narcissist, liar and plagiarist into the white house. Which is strange.

Even if Biden is any of those things, he's still a better choice than a convicted felon guilty of multiple counts of fraud, including fraud on a massive scale, as well as defamation and sexual assault, with more indictments yet to be adjudicated.

I never claimed this was a banner year for presidential candidates.

To show you why people don't really care that Trump paid off a porn star. They are aware people in government have gotten away with much worse.

I don't care if he paid off a porn star either. That wasn't the crime he committed.

And I care even less about who else may have gotten away with anything else. It doesn't affect Trump's criminal activity one bit.

Good. Glad we agree on that.

Cool.

There are always outliers.

Pretty big list of outliers there, really. But, I grant you, we have no idea who didn't get caught.

But the point remains, Trump is far from the only politician to ever be held accountable for his criminal activity. He should remember what Sammy Davis Jr. said.

I think you meant to say "One way it does work".

Nope. I meant what I said. No individual's criminal trial is halted just because someone else committed a more serious crime. That's not how it works.

The question is why are you voting for him even though he has shown no remorse for his lies?

Because he's a better choice than Trump.

But, I gotta say, since Trump has shown absolutely no remorse whatsoever for his far, far larger number of lies, nor for any number of stupid things he's said, does remorse not play a factor for you? And if it doesn't, which seems to be the case, why bring it up?

Then why bring up the topic of greed?

Because you asked if I had a problem with capitalism.

Trump asking a joke hypothetical question isn't an example of losing your train of thought. An example of losing your train of thought would be stammering over your words then going silent, looking confused then saying something irrelevant like "We finally beat Medicare." Which Biden did at the debate.

You're free to see things the way you want to see them, I'm free to see them the way I want to.

Così cosà. (It's a wonderful word, Tra la la la...)

Neither does observing someone's cognitive struggles require expert medical knowledge.

Sure, anyone can observe from a distance and make an uninformed, inexpert opinion. I simply prefer not to. My call.

You don't know how others are going to vote. With the ways thing have gone down for Biden right now, voting for him might make it more likely of Trump winning. That is if he doesn't drop out before then, which seems more likely by the day.

If Biden drops out of the race, I'll vote for whomever replaces him.

Beyond that, we'll just have to wait and see how it all turns out.

Yeah, I was talking about the media taking Trump's "very fine people" comment out of context. But then you randomly decided to bring up Trump's lie count:

Because you said this: "...including Joe Biden who keeps spreading this lie even though its been debunked years ago. "

Also, we weren't discussing the media.

What does Trump's lies have to do with the media taking him out of context?

Dunno, you brought that subject up.

So why bring up Trump's lie count?

You did. I quoted the section when you brought it up. See above.

I responded with that because you seemed to be saying you had a problem with Biden lying. If I misinterpreted your comment, quoted above, then I apologize, and we can say no more about it.

-- A2SG, no harm, no foul....

 

[MrMoe]

Sure they would. "The law is for little people, not people like me. I'm above it."

That quote wouldn't apply to Trump, since he is using the law not disregarding it.

Think Lex Luthor, and we're about on a par. (Minus the genius intellect, of course.)

Now you're comparing Trump to a fictional supervillain.

I do. I'm just not judging whether or not he is legally immune from prosecution. The Supreme Court did that. I'm merely saying Trump, through his legal team, argued that he should have "absolute immunity" for everything he did as president, which indicates to me that he believes he's above the law.

You are, of course, free to disagree.

Yes I disagree because absolute immunity IS the law now. As you yourself said, it was decided by The Supreme Court.

Even if Biden is any of those things,

He definitely is all those things. There is proof of every one of those.

he's still a better choice than a convicted felon guilty of multiple counts of fraud, including fraud on a massive scale, as well as defamation and sexual assault, with more indictments yet to be adjudicated.

I never claimed this was a banner year for presidential candidates.

And all those convictions are being appealed. Will you still consider him a convicted felon if the verdict is overturned?

Meanwhile Biden's racism affects twelve percent of America's population. That's millions of people. And his narcissism is currently affecting his own party right now, because he refuses to step down despite many from his party begging him to.

I don't care if he paid off a porn star either. That wasn't the crime he committed.

And I care even less about who else may have gotten away with anything else. It doesn't affect Trump's criminal activity one bit.

And many millions of Americans care even less than you about Trump's convictions.

Pretty big list of outliers there, really. But, I grant you, we have no idea who didn't get caught.

But the point remains, Trump is far from the only politician to ever be held accountable for his criminal activity. He should remember what Sammy Davis Jr. said.

Not a big list when compared the people who got away with it.

Nope. I meant what I said. No individual's criminal trial is halted just because someone else committed a more serious crime. That's not how it works.

Give a real world example.

Because he's a better choice than Trump.

But, I gotta say, since Trump has shown absolutely no remorse whatsoever for his far, far larger number of lies, nor for any number of stupid things he's said, does remorse not play a factor for you? And if it doesn't, which seems to be the case, why bring it up?

It does play a factor for me. But I'm not on this thread to try and convince people to vote for Trump, I'm here to try and convince people that Biden is also a bad choice.

Because you asked if I had a problem with capitalism.

So you do see greed as sometimes playing a part in capitalism. Why did you deny it before?

You're free to see things the way you want to see them, I'm free to see them the way I want to.

Così cosà. (It's a wonderful word, Tra la la la...)

Words and phrases have specific definitions that you seem to disregard.

So far you think that Trump using the law is demonstrating Trump thinking he is above the law, and Trump telling a funny story is an example of Trump losing his train of thought but Biden actually losing his train of thought isn't.

Sure, anyone can observe from a distance and make an uninformed, inexpert opinion. I simply prefer not to. My call.

Which is ironically what what you chose to do regarding Trump's absolute immunity.

If Biden drops out of the race, I'll vote for whomever replaces him.

Beyond that, we'll just have to wait and see how it all turns out.

Even if they're as bad or worse than Trump?

Because you said this: "...including Joe Biden who keeps spreading this lie even though its been debunked years ago. "

Yes, because just like the media, Biden spread the lie and continues to spread the lie that Trump called neo-nazis and white supremacists very fine people.

Still don't see why you brought up Trump's lie count into the discussion. It's was a complete non-sequitur.

Also, we weren't discussing the media.

The conversation was about the media.

I responded with that because you seemed to be saying you had a problem with Biden lying. If I misinterpreted your comment, quoted above, then I apologize, and we can say no more about it.

-- A2SG, no harm, no foul....

I do have a problem with Biden lying. Just as I have a problem with Trump or anyone else lying.

 

[A2SG]

That quote wouldn't apply to Trump, since he is using the law not disregarding it.

You mean manipulating the law in his favor, because he doesn't want to be held accountable for his criminal acts. Because the law shouldn't apply to him, but it should apply to everyone else. "Lock her up" and all that. And yes, that is a direct quote.

Now you're comparing Trump to a fictional supervillain.

Not entirely. Remember, I did exclude Lex's genius intellect.

Yes I disagree because absolute immunity IS the law now. As you yourself said, it was decided by The Supreme Court.

Well, for official acts only. It's more than it really should be, far as I'm concerned, but less than Trump was hoping for, I'd wager.

He definitely is all those things. There is proof of every one of those.

And Trump as well, every single one. Well, the plagiarism bit may be questionable, he might have skirted the line on that one. Barely.

So a wash on that stuff, but Trump still comes out ahead on criminal convictions, guilty verdicts of fraud and further indictments.

Still, you're free to vote for whomever you choose.

And all those convictions are being appealed.

Yeah, Trump appeals everything. One of the advantages wealthy criminals have over everyone else, really. And Trump especially, since he has access to seemingly unlimited campaign funds to pay for lawyers.

Will you still consider him a convicted felon if the verdict is overturned?

Nope. At least, not until he's convicted at a second trial, or for some other charge.

Meanwhile Biden's racism affects twelve percent of America's population. That's millions of people. And his narcissism is currently affecting his own party right now, because he refuses to step down despite many from his party begging him to.

Same for Trump. Trump's been called a racist for decades for various things, and his narcissism is painfully evident all over the place. So, if those things bother you, I imagine you'll be voting third party this November, right?

And many millions of Americans care even less than you about Trump's convictions.

They have that right. Many people excuse criminals for all kinds of reasons.

I, personally, will not chose to vote for a convicted felon to be President, but I recognize some may feel differently.

Not a big list when compared the people who got away with it.

I guess it depends on how many actually got away with it, something we can't know. You're free to assume any figure you wish to, of course.

Give a real world example.

A real world example of something not happening?

Fine. Trump was charged for a felony, falsifying business documents in the first degree, and found guilty, despite the fact that other people have committed worse crimes, like mass murder, rape, etc.

It does play a factor for me. But I'm not on this thread to try and convince people to vote for Trump, I'm here to try and convince people that Biden is also a bad choice.

Fine. Of course, I never thought Biden was the best possible candidate out there. I only say that, compared to Donald Trump, he's the better choice.

So you do see greed as sometimes playing a part in capitalism.

Of course it plays a part. It's baked right in. But it doesn't have to. At least, some people are able to not be greedy.

Why did you deny it before?

I never denied it.

Words and phrases have specific definitions that you seem to disregard.

So far you think that Trump using the law is demonstrating Trump thinking he is above the law, and Trump telling a funny story is an example of Trump losing his train of thought but Biden actually losing his train of thought isn't.

Yeah, we disagree on these things. I know that. Disagreeing doesn't mean one or the other of us is necessarily wrong, though. We could simply see things differently.

For example, you seem to ascribe certain negative traits to Joe Biden, and condemn him for them...but Donald Trump exhibits the exact same traits, and you choose instead to defend him. You have every right to do this, of course, just don't expect me to agree with your defense of Trump.

Which is ironically what what you chose to do regarding Trump's absolute immunity.

Nah, I simply quoted his lawyer's legal argument.

Even if they're as bad or worse than Trump?

I can't imagine anyone worse than Trump, frankly. Who do you have in mind?

Yes, because just like the media, Biden spread the lie and continues to spread the lie that Trump called neo-nazis and white supremacists very fine people.

As we've concluded, everyone lies. Some more than others. Trump continues to spread the lie that the 2020 election was stolen, and that lie had far more serious repercussions than your example had.

So....why complain about one lie, but not the other, far more serious one?

Still don't see why you brought up Trump's lie count into the discussion. It's was a complete non-sequitur.

I explained my reasoning, but if you don't want to continue discussing the subject, that's fine. Movin' right along...

The conversation was about the media.

Not really. Until you brought up the media out of the blue, we were discussing the differences between Biden and Trump.

I do have a problem with Biden lying. Just as I have a problem with Trump or anyone else lying.

Fine. So don't vote for either one of them.

Or do. Your call.

As I've said, everyone lies...so no matter who you vote for, you're voting for someone who has lied at one time or another. I guess it's up to you to decide which lies matter, and which don't.

-- A2SG, not trying to sway you one way or the other....