Biden is weighing whether to continue in the race

[MrMoe]

The arguments he's used in his various trials, including the argument that, as President, he should have absolute immunity from any criminal prosecution.

Presidential immunity is a thing. Sounds like he thought that immunity should be expanded. That doesn't sound like a person who thinks the law doesn't apply to him, in fact that sounds like the exact opposite.

He's been proven guilty of several cases of fraud in both civil courts and criminal courts. Don't know how you missed it, it was in all the papers.

Was he president back then?

By practically every word that comes out of his mouth.

I'm asking for a specific example.

Ah. Well, hell, if you're fine with a leader who is a convicted felon and has been proven guilty of fraud multiple times, that's your business.

I'm not.

But hey, vote however you like.

Better a guy who just paid off a porn star than Biden who is racist toward twelve percent of America's population, don't you think?

Is Trump's shark rant an example of him not losing his train of thought?

No, it was an obvious humorous "would you rather" question that left wingers latched on to, to distract attention away from people pointing out Biden's obvious mental decline.

Good luck to 'em. Sounds like they have a hard climb ahead of them if they want to present a viable challenge to the two major parties.

Any viable third party would be better than Biden.

Anyone would be better than Trump.

That's not true. Biden wouldn't be better than Trump.

Biden and the White House are now blaming jet lag for his terrible performance at the debate.

The problem is that Biden had a week to recover at camp David. If he can't get over jet lag in a week when part of his job is to travel to other countries then he is not fit to be president.

You're free to believe whatever you like. However, to MY mind, anyone who seriously considers Donald Trump to be even remotely suited to be President is even more deluded than you seem to think the mainstream media is.

There's already been four years of a Trump presidency, world war 3 didn't start and the world didn't end. In fact, judging by the majority of the polls taken this year, more Americans want Trump back as president than Biden.

The fact you don't think Trump is "even remotely suited" to be President tells me your view on Trumps has been influenced at least in part by the mainstream media.

And I don't base that conclusion on the media. I base it on Donald Trump himself.

-- A2SG, just out of curiosity, how many NFTs or pieces of his suit have you bought?

Did you believe that Trump called neo-nazis "very fine people" when you heard it on the media?

 

[NxNW]

Today Joe Biden himself said his performance during the debate was the worst disaster since the Hindenburg crashed into an iceberg and lost the World Series in Vietnam.

Not to mention when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

 

[Pommer]

Not to mention when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

You’re on a roll!

 

[rjs330]

Not to mention when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

Oh man I thought that was the Australians.

 

[Bradskii]

...tells me your view on Trumps has been influenced at least in part by the mainstream media.

I don't listen to US tv. I have no subscription to any US newspaper. But I'm very interested in the outcome in November. So what do I do? I read what Trump himself writes. I listen to what Trump himself says. I try and dig into what his policies are. And I watched the complete debate.

In passing, Biden showed that his time has come and gone. But Trump? I honestly can't believe any reasonable person, of whatever political view, could ever think of voting for someone who spends so much time avoiding giving any substantial details of any policies and the rest of the time lying about everything else.

In my numerous decades on this planet, I can give you my absolutely genuine and honest position on the man. As far as I am aware, he is by far the person worst suited to ever run for any political postion for any party in any country. Ever. Bar none. Daylight comes second and third. And believe me, I gave seen some clowns elected in my time.

 

[ozso]

Not to mention when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

He doesn't like bringing up the Civil War. Too many painful memories.

 

[A2SG]

Presidential immunity is a thing. Sounds like he thought that immunity should be expanded. That doesn't sound like a person who thinks the law doesn't apply to him, in fact that sounds like the exact opposite.

I dunno....someone who argues for absolute immunity from criminal prosecution sure sounds like someone who doesn't think the law should apply to him. But I guess you're free to interpret that reasoning however you wish.

Was he president back then?

When he committed fraud, or when he falsified business documents? As for the latter, I do believe so.

Not that it makes a huge difference. He's still the same guy who did the things.

I'm asking for a specific example.

Seems there are way too many examples than need mentioning, really...but if you insist: for the self-aggrandizement, the NFTs and sale of pieces of the suit he wore during his indictment to start, and his name on practically everything he touches. As to lining his own pockets at the expense of the country, how about his charging the secret service rent when they are required by law to protect him at his residence in Mar A Lago. Plus, we know he's personally benefitted from the presidency, we don't know if he donated his entire presidential salary as he promised to, not to mention his daughter personally benefitting with Chinese copyrights.

How's that? Specific enough for ya?

Better a guy who just paid off a porn star than Biden who is racist toward twelve percent of America's population, don't you think?

No. Though, to be fair, I don't give a whit if he paid off a porn star. It was the criminal activity he committed to hide the fact that concerns me more.

No, it was an obvious humorous "would you rather" question that left wingers latched on to, to distract attention away from people pointing out Biden's obvious mental decline.

Oh. Okay.

I'd mention his many other examples of word salad throughout the campaign trail, but who has the time?

Any viable third party would be better than Biden.

"Viable" is the problem. No third party candidate is going to stand a chance against either Trump or Biden in the next election. Perot is the only one who even came close, and he only got 18% of the popular vote, and not a single electoral vote.

Sure, I'd like to see a third party make a real effort...but so far, it hasn't happened, and that isn't likely to change in the next few months.

That's not true. Biden wouldn't be better than Trump.

Biden and the White House are now blaming jet lag for his terrible performance at the debate.

The problem is that Biden had a week to recover at camp David. If he can't get over jet lag in a week when part of his job is to travel to other countries then he is not fit to be president.

I disagree...but you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

There's already been four years of a Trump presidency, world war 3 didn't start and the world didn't end. In fact, judging by the majority of the polls taken this year, more Americans want Trump back as president than Biden.

The fact you don't think Trump is "even remotely suited" to be President tells me your view on Trumps has been influenced at least in part by the mainstream media.

Not really. More by him, himself.

Keep in mind, by the way, I have a degree in journalism and have worked as a journalist before...I know how the media works. I don't swallow any media report as if it's a holy gospel or something.

Did you believe that Trump called neo-nazis "very fine people" when you heard it on the media?

We've been through this before. I know your argument.

But...I have to say, that many people interpret what he did say as meaning that, says something about how easily people can believe that's what he meant, especially given his past history regarding racial issues.

-- A2SG, but you are, of course, free to interpret that however you like....

 

[MrMoe]

I don't listen to US tv. I have no subscription to any US newspaper. But I'm very interested in the outcome in November. So what do I do? I read what Trump himself writes. I listen to what Trump himself says. I try and dig into what his policies are. And I watched the complete debate.

Same.

In passing, Biden showed that his time has come and gone. But Trump? I honestly can't believe any reasonable person, of whatever political view,

"I honestly can't believe any reasonable person" I can, because I've seen and hear them. The are just normal people who thing Trump is the better choice.

could ever think of voting for someone who spends so much time avoiding giving any substantial details of any policies and the rest of the time lying about everything else.

"someone who spends so much time avoiding giving any substantial details of any policies" That is anecdotal evidence. I've see the opposite. I've seen segments of his rallies on YouTube and hear him talk about what he's going to do when in office plenty of times.

In my numerous decades on this planet, I can give you my absolutely genuine and honest position on the man. As far as I am aware, he is by far the person worst suited to ever run for any political postion for any party in any country. Ever. Bar none. Daylight comes second and third. And believe me, I gave seen some clowns elected in my time.

"As far as I am aware" That's right. It's good that you admit you have blind spots.

As far as I am aware, Trump isn't the wannabe Hitler-like dictator that left wingers make him out to be, neither is he the God sent savior of America that right wingers make him out to be. The truth I believe is somewhere in the middle.

 

[MrMoe]

I dunno....someone who argues for absolute immunity from criminal prosecution sure sounds like someone who doesn't think the law should apply to him. But I guess you're free to interpret that reasoning however you wish.

Someone who doesn't think the law should apply to them wouldn't care about something like immunity, just like a criminal doesn't care about the law. That's simple logic.

When he committed fraud, or when he falsified business documents? As for the latter, I do believe so.

So you're not sure?

Not that it makes a huge difference. He's still the same guy who did the things.

You don't believe people are capable of changing?

Seems there are way too many examples than need mentioning, really...but if you insist: for the self-aggrandizement, the NFTs and sale of pieces of the suit he wore during his indictment to start, and his name on practically everything he touches. As to lining his own pockets at the expense of the country, how about his charging the secret service rent when they are required by law to protect him at his residence in Mar A Lago. Plus, we know he's personally benefitted from the presidency, we don't know if he donated his entire presidential salary as he promised to, not to mention his daughter personally benefitting with Chinese copyrights.

How's that? Specific enough for ya?

So basically he's a capitalist. Nothing shocking here.

No. Though, to be fair, I don't give a whit if he paid off a porn star. It was the criminal activity he committed to hide the fact that concerns me more.

It doesn't seem to concern the majority of Americans since most Americans are aware the US government is responsible for committing crimes much worse than Trump throughout it's history. Crimes no one has ever been punished for. Right now Biden is being called "Genocide Joe" and a war criminal for his part in the Israel/Palestine war. Judging from all the protests going on right now, that's what American people care about.

Oh. Okay.

I'd mention his many other examples of word salad throughout the campaign trail, but who has the time?

Have you heard Kamala Harris' word salads? She is the word salad queen.

"Viable" is the problem. No third party candidate is going to stand a chance against either Trump or Biden in the next election. Perot is the only one who even came close, and he only got 18% of the popular vote, and not a single electoral vote.

Sure, I'd like to see a third party make a real effort...but so far, it hasn't happened, and that isn't likely to change in the next few months.

It's not going to happen until those who want it to happen actual make a concerted effort to make it happen.

I disagree...but you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

An opinion that's based on facts and reality. A person who cant get over jet lag in over a week has a problem.

Not really. More by him, himself.

Keep in mind, by the way, I have a degree in journalism and have worked as a journalist before...I know how the media works. I don't swallow any media report as if it's a holy gospel or something.


We've been through this before. I know your argument.

But...I have to say, that many people interpret what he did say as meaning that, says something about how easily people can believe that's what he meant, especially given his past history regarding racial issues.

-- A2SG, but you are, of course, free to interpret that however you like....

Many people believed and some still believe Trump called neo-nazis very fine people, including Joe Biden who keeps spreading this lie even though its been debunked years ago. This just shows how media can influence peoples thoughts and opinions about a person. It's important to be aware of it.

 

[A2SG]

Someone who doesn't think the law should apply to them wouldn't care about something like immunity, just like a criminal doesn't care about the law. That's simple logic.

And a criminal who wants to live a public life wants to be immune from criminal prosecution, so they can do whatever they want to, and not be held accountable. Also simple logic.

So you're not sure?

I don't have all the details of every single one of the 34 counts where Trump falsified business records, no. It doesn't matter, though...whether it happened during his presidency or not, he still committed the crimes.

You don't believe people are capable of changing?

Sure. And if Trump ever shows that he regrets his past actions and has changed his ways, I'll reconsider my view of him. So far, from what I've seen, that hasn't happened.

So basically he's a capitalist. Nothing shocking here.

But at least you concede the point, so that's something. If you're fine with voting for someone like that, that's your call.

It doesn't seem to concern the majority of Americans since most Americans are aware the US government is responsible for committing crimes much worse than Trump throughout it's history. Crimes no one has ever been punished for. Right now Biden is being called "Genocide Joe" and a war criminal for his part in the Israel/Palestine war. Judging from all the protests going on right now, that's what American people care about.

I don't speak for the majority of Americans, I only speak for myself. And I cast my vote accordingly.

As to whether or not the majority of Americans support Trump, or will vote for him, that's questionable. So far, in two elections, that has not been the case. But we'll see.

Have you heard Kamala Harris' word salads? She is the word salad queen.

If you have no problem with Trump's word salads, why would you have a problem with Harris'?

It's not going to happen until those who want it to happen actual make a concerted effort to make it happen.

No one's stopping them. I wish them luck.

An opinion that's based on facts and reality. A person who cant get over jet lag in over a week has a problem.

You're free to base your opinion on whichever random facts or bits and pieces of reality you like, regardless of whether or not they reflect the entirety of the situation.

Many people believed and some still believe Trump called neo-nazis very fine people, including Joe Biden who keeps spreading this lie even though its been debunked years ago. This just shows how media can influence peoples thoughts and opinions about a person. It's important to be aware of it.

I'm well aware of how the media works. As I said, I have training in journalism, and have worked in the field. My wife continues to do so, and has for 30 years.

As to lies told by either candidate, well, neither are exactly unique in that. All politicians lie, as do all human beings.

Though, if you want to compare the two, Trump comes out clearly ahead in both the sheer number of lies, as well as the severity of them. If that matters.

According to Politifact:

Biden has 7 lies rated "pants on fire," 63 rated "false" and 60 rated "mostly false."

Trump has 192 lies rated "pants on fire," 392 rated "false" and 199 rated "mostly false."

So, either lies matter, or they don't. Your call.

-- A2SG, if the guy who told 130 lies worries you, but the one who told 783 doesn't, then I have to conclude it isn't the lying that's the problem....

 

[Bradskii]

I've see the opposite. I've seen segments of his rallies on YouTube and hear him talk about what he's going to do when in office plenty of times.

OK, let's dance. He told us nothing in the debate when, gee, you'd think he might have had the opportunity. So let's have some details. Immigration perhaps. Where's he going to send millions of immigrants next year? How is he going to do it? How is he going to get agreement from the leaders of whatever country he sends them? Where's he going to keep them before shipping them out?

Let's have some details please.

 

[KCfromNC]

Today Joe Biden himself said his performance during the debate was the worst disaster since the Hindenburg crashed into an iceberg and lost the World Series in Vietnam.

Needs more talk about revolutionary war airports to be believable.

 

[ozso]

So on one hand Trump is going to do a whole bunch of dictator stuff.

On the other hand Trump isn't going to do anything.

 

[eleos1954]

Perhaps. But let's examine the facts.

Biden had a disastrous performance on the debate stage Thursday night. Despite attempts from the White House to downplay this as nothing more than a "bad night", more people are coming around to the realization that this is just a culmination of other signs of cognitive decline we've seen in Biden over the last few years. Biden came across as weak and frail in that debate. If in the next few days he can't present himself as a strong and vibrant leader, it's over for him. He is under intense scrutiny in this moment, and any further lapses in memory, inability to speak boldly and clearly or random wandering is going to be the final nail.

I don't believe that what we saw on Thursday night was an anomaly. There have been signs that Biden is experiencing cognitive decline for years now. And as he ages more and more each day, it only gets worse. The next few days are critical to changing that perception. Only time will tell what actually happens, but I don't think Biden can portray the image of strength and decisiveness that will be necessary to quell the fears that he is mentally unfit for office.

I agree ... He is not well (hasn't been for a while) and it is self-evident and most of world sees this. Like you said ... we will just have to wait and see.

 

[BPPLEE]

Needs more talk about revolutionary war airports to be believable.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta: It’s time for President Biden to undergo detailed cognitive and neurological testing and share his results | CNN

When the 46th President of the United States took the debate stage a week ago, it became apparent, even from his first answer, that this would not be the performance he hoped for.

amp.cnn.com

 

[BPPLEE]

OK, let's dance. He told us nothing in the debate when, gee, you'd think he might have had the opportunity. So let's have some details. Immigration perhaps. Where's he going to send millions of immigrants next year? How is he going to do it? How is he going to get agreement from the leaders of whatever country he sends them? Where's he going to keep them before shipping them out?

Let's have some details please.

If he does anything he’ll be leaps and bounds ahead of what has been done the last three years. The bar is really low on this one

 

[Bradskii]

If he does anything he’ll be leaps and bounds ahead of what has been done the last three years. The bar is really low on this one

Yet again, can we please stop with the schoolyard arguments. I'm really not interested. We need details on what Trump is going to do. Either put up or shut up.

 

[JustOneWay]

Yet again, can we please stop with the schoolyard arguments. I'm really not interested. We need details on what Trump is going to do. Either put up or shut up.

It is all laid out in the Project 2025 plan for America. Trump denies he knows anything about it but I would not be surprised if he was actually telling the truth for once. He has no plans other than returning to power to wipe his criminal slate clean and to exact retribution on those who oppose and convicted him. His goal is power, and he will let anybody who bows to his needs have whatever they want. Bribes are now pretty much legal thanks the rightist supreme court. Here is what you are looking for.

 

[BPPLEE]

Yet again, can we please stop with the schoolyard arguments. I'm really not interested. We need details on what Trump is going to do. Either put up or shut up.

You don’t seem to understand that taking any action will be an improvement.
Or you do understand but you won’t acknowledge it because your hatred for Trump makes you unable to have any meaningful discussion concerning him

 

[Bradskii]

You don’t seem to understand that taking any action will be an improvement.

You think that 10% tarrifs across the board 'will be an improvement'. You think that sending millions of people out of the county 'will be an improvement'. You think that coming out of the Paris Accord 'will be an improvement'. You think that abandoning NATO 'will be an improvement'. You think that cutting aid to Ukraine 'will be an improvement'. You think that gutting the renewable energy industry 'will be an improvement'. You think that tax cuts for the already wealthy 'will be an improvement'.

Are you crazy?