Biblical Morals

[TheBear]

The reason is simple -- the law of God is already etched basically onto the hearts of everyone and thus these morals manifest themselves in most societies.

Notwithstanding the problems explaining the etching/inscribing in the hearts bit, I'd like you examine typical childhood behavior.

 

[quatona]

Hello, all.

Please list all the morals derived strictly and exclusively from Biblical teachings.

Not entirely sure, but I think the mixed garments prohibition is pretty original.
Whilst ideas like violence against your kids, the justification of rape and genocide, as well as certain restrictions concerning the treatment of your slaves (if you beat them, make sure they survive at least two days, etc.) can probably be found elsewhere, as well.

 

[Sojourner1]

Notwithstanding the problems explaining the etching/inscribing in the hearts bit, I'd like you examine typical childhood behavior.

Very good point. Why is it that children know right from wrong at such an early age? Why is it that before you even start disciplining them for wrong behavior they already know their behavior is wrong. You can tell just by their reactions when they have done something wrong. For example, they take a toy from their sibling and when asked if they took the toy they will shake their head "no".

 

[quatona]

As far as my observations go, selfishness is the predominant characteristic of every toddler.

 

[b&wpac4]

Very good point. Why is it that children know right from wrong at such an early age? Why is it that before you even start disciplining them for wrong behavior they already know their behavior is wrong. You can tell just by their reactions when they have done something wrong. For example, they take a toy from their sibling and when asked if they took the toy they will shake their head "no".

I bet if you looked into it closely, your body language and tone of voice, along with the fact that their sibling would usually be crying or angry gives them the clues necessary to say that they didn't do it. By this point in their life they already would have been disciplined for something and would not like to repeat that unhappy experience.

 

[quatona]

For example, they take a toy from their sibling and when asked if they took the toy they will shake their head "no".

Well, themere fact that you ask for a justification and the way you ask usually makes it pretty clear that you disapprove of their behaviour.
Btw, pointing out that they will immediately lie without hesitation is not exactly helping your argument.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

Well im sure if you read further about it, it would show you the Inquisition was a reaction to the Muslim invasion to protect the europeans so its intentions were good.

And again 3k-5,000 people died in the actual Spanish Inquisition. Compare that to the 10s of millions who died in atheistic Marxist regimes.



"According to a joint BBC/A&E documentary, in the city of Valencia of over 7,000 documented cases, less than 2% experienced any torture at all. It usually lasted no longer than 15 minutes. Fewer than 1% of the prisoners were tortured more than once. Sentences varied from fines to execution (also rare - below 2%[3]) and those condemned had to participate in the ceremony of auto da fé (act of faith'"

The Nazis were not atheistic nor Marxist.

 

[b&wpac4]

The Nazis were not atheistic nor Marxist.

They usually mean Stalin and communist powers when they say this.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

They usually mean Stalin and communist powers when they say this.

They usually also argue that since the Nazi's had socialist in the name that they were in fact communist or socialist which is not the truth.

 

[b&wpac4]

They usually also argue that since the Nazi's had socialist in the name that they were in fact communist or socialist which is not the truth.

True. Regardless, the real link between these governments is not atheism, but oppressive governments willing to take any steps necessary to secure their power and remove dissenters.

 

[TheBear]

Why is it that children know right from wrong at such an early age?

Children have to be taught right and wrong from an early age. Children lie to and disobey their parents all the time. Children are brutally blunt and mean to children who are "different" than them, this includes handicapped people.

As far as my observations go, selfishness is the predominant characteristic of every toddler.

Agreed.

Sharing with others is something else that has to be taught to children.

 

[Sojourner1]

Well, themere fact that you ask for a justification and the way you ask usually makes it pretty clear that you disapprove of their behaviour.
Btw, pointing out that they will immediately lie without hesitation is not exactly helping your argument.

That's a good point. Children do know right from wrong from an early age, but perhaps reacting to our response of their actions is a part of knowing they have done wrong. I am actually thinking more of the fact that children show bad behavior from an early age which would demonstrate that we have a nature to sin. But this is really a discussion for another thread.

Anyone have a comment about agape love being exclusive to the Bible?

 

[b&wpac4]

That's a good point. Children do know right from wrong from an early age, but perhaps reacting to our response of their actions is a part of knowing they have done wrong. I am actually thinking more of the fact that children show bad behavior from an early age which would demonstrate that we have a nature to sin. But this is really a discussion for another thread.

Anyone have a comment about agape love being exclusive to the Bible?

What I find interesting about the agape love thing is that the Jews did not have this concept. They certainly would have believed that God created love, and that God did love but they never would have said that God WAS love.

 

[jayem]

And again 3k-5,000 people died in the actual Spanish Inquisition. Compare that to the 10s of millions who died in atheistic Marxist regimes.

I thought that in the eyes of God, a sin is a sin. If you kill 3,000 people rather than 3,000,000, does that make you not a murderer?

The real issue is what's the value of Christianity. Is it just to be forgiven for your sins? If it's only to make you feel good about yourself then it's little different than all the new-age, self-help programs purporting to boost one's self-esteem. But I thought Christianity is supposed to make people better. Christians are supposed to be salt and light to the world. But when Christianity is used as a cover to justify persecution and prejudice, then it's a miserable failure. Bertrand Russell put it well: "If Christianity is supposed to make men moral, I haven't noticed it."

 

[Verv]

Notwithstanding the problems explaining the etching/inscribing in the hearts bit, I'd like you examine typical childhood behavior.

All humans when they get old enough come to a point where they exercise rationality unless they were irreversibly damaged as a child or were handicapped. This rationality is the etching on our hearts.

The sense of empathy we have is a gift.

We would be far more efficient and better off creatures if we massacred our weak, our sickly and our elderly were voluntarily extinguished from existence.

The Nazis were not atheistic nor Marxist.

Have you studied history -- on this topic?

Like, seriously studied it beyond your high school class?

I would talk to you about this but I think that you just showed too much of your own true ignorance on the topic.

Like, why did you even say that?

 

[Braunwyn]

All humans when they get old enough come to a point where they exercise rationality unless they were irreversibly damaged as a child or were handicapped. This rationality is the etching on our hearts.

The sense of empathy we have is a gift.

It doesn't make sense that this gift could be so easily taken away or not given at all via childhood abuse or mental illness in light of an all powerful deity.

We would be far more efficient and better off creatures if we massacred our weak, our sickly and our elderly were voluntarily extinguished from existence.

I don't know why you think this is the case. It would wreak havoc on any society. It wouldn't make us more efficient or better creatures. As far as the elderly go, I know far more valuable elderly folk than the all to common, undisciplined, self-serving youth that have erected new meaning to the concept of the 'me-show'. I'll take my 72 yr-old biochemist mentor that enjoys waxing poetic over the sciences any day over a young fool. So, I guess it's just a matter of perspective.

 

[b&wpac4]

All humans when they get old enough come to a point where they exercise rationality unless they were irreversibly damaged as a child or were handicapped. This rationality is the etching on our hearts.

Then why do so many people behave so irrationally? It is a rare person I meet that seems to think out their decisions in a rational way. Most people seem to base everything they do off emotions and doing what they are told by the ideology they follow.

 

[SiderealExalt]

Have you studied history -- on this topic?

Like, seriously studied it beyond your high school class?

I would talk to you about this but I think that you just showed too much of your own true ignorance on the topic.

Like, why did you even say that?

I would imagine because the Nazi's neither practiced enough socialism to constitute a form of Marxism and because the majority of Nazi's were not atheists.

Wow that was hard.

 

[Shemjaza]

Have you studied history -- on this topic?

Like, seriously studied it beyond your high school class?

I would talk to you about this but I think that you just showed too much of your own true ignorance on the topic.

Like, why did you even say that?

Totalitarian, centralised state based power system and the majority of them thought of themselves as Christians... so, neither Marxist nor Atheist.

Even if we accept that men like Hitler are totally cynical about everything aside from their own power and had no religious belief and men like Himmler were strange occultists, the prominent use of Christian terms and symbolism breaks any hope of defining Nazi Germany as atheist.

 

[SiderealExalt]

If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, entices you secretly, saying,"Let us go and server other gods."...you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him;but you shall kill him;your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt,out of the house of bondage....If you hear in one of your cities, which the LORD your God gives you to dwell there, that certain base fellows have gone out among you and have drawn away the inhabitants of the city, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods," which you have not known, then you shall inquire and make search and ask diligently; and behold, if it be true and certain that such an abominable thing has been done among you, you shall surely put the inhabitants of that city to the sword, destroying it utterly, all who are in it and its cattle, with the edge of the sword.

Deuteronomy 13:6 8-15

For OP. Here you go, Biblical morals.