Biblical impossibility of evolution

[Philothei]

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[dad]

Cool story bro, there's probably a maternity forum around here somewhere, this isn't it, so your verse isn't paticularly relevent.

If the bible says God formed us, then it is relative to how we are formed. That should be obvious.

 

[dad]

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[Tuddrussell]

Who made that rule up? I do not know any God that would say He created man and formed us, when the truth was that we actually came from some fungi...or cockroach, or whatever. The very fact that the bible clearly shows that He is with us from the belly and before, and that He created us from dust, and that the very hairs of our head are numbered, and that not even a sparrow falls without His knowing bout it, etc....should tell us that it was not some godless old old old age fluke festival.

Except science says that we came from dust! We started out as (Living, unicellular) dust, and got incrementally more complex until we became what we are today. God is all knowing, He would know us from the very beginng and every hair on our head whether he put it there or not. That is what omniscience means.

Says you. I suspect that most evolving and adapting did indeed happen to the living individual. All you mean is that now, in this present state, the changing and adapting is slow, and goes on in a certain way. Not pertinent or relevant to how it came down pre flood. That should be obvious.

The first sentence from the wikipedia article on evolution: Evolution (or more specifically biological or organic evolution) is the change over time in one or more inherited traits found in populations of individuals.

Why would there be a change? You haven't answered that. There can never be a change, unless there is something that changes it.

 

[dad]

Except science says that we came from dust! We started out as (Living, unicellular) dust, and got incrementally more complex until we became what we are today.

Dust has cells, or is a cell? Your concept of science needs tweaking somethin fierce apparently.

God is all knowing, He would know us from the very beginng and every hair on our head whether he put it there or not. That is what omniscience means.

So being all knowing means that He knows our hair is there whether He put it there or not? Now, man has a certain time to live as well, He knows our days. He knows our thoughts, and hears our prayers. He even knows what we will ask and sometimes answers before we do ask! How random is that??

The first sentence from the wikipedia article on evolution: Evolution (or more specifically biological or organic evolution) is the change over time in one or more inherited traits found in populations of individuals.

Why would there be a change? You haven't answered that. There can never be a change, unless there is something that changes it.

Why would there be a flood? A fall? A tribulation? Stars? Sun? Why would there not be a change? After all, God warned man that in 120 years something big was going to happen. How big, it seems science is just starting to discover!

 

[Tuddrussell]

Dust has cells, or is a cell? Your concept of science needs tweaking somethin fierce apparently.

Dust is just paticulates, these particulates can indeed be cells and have cells.

So being all knowing means that He knows our hair is there whether He put it there or not? Now, man has a certain time to live as well, He knows our days. He knows our thoughts, and hears our prayers. He even knows what we will ask and sometimes answers before we do ask!

Yes, that stuff is a part of what He knows because He knows EVERYTHING.

How random is that??

It is, he just knows the outcome.

Why would there be a flood? A fall? A tribulation? Stars? Sun?

They all have a reason, or do you deny that?

Why would there not be a change?

Because there first needs to be something to change them, if there isn't then nothing changes.

After all, God warned man that in 120 years something big was going to happen. How big, it seems science is just starting to discover!

What does the bible say will happen in 2131? I've certainly never heard anything about that, and me and the bible have had extensive communications.

 

[dad]

Dust is just paticulates, these particulates can indeed be cells and have cells.

Only if there is life first.

Yes, that stuff is a part of what He knows because He knows EVERYTHING.

It is, he just knows the outcome.


They all have a reason, or do you deny that?

Because there first needs to be something to change them, if there isn't then nothing changes.

God changes stuff. Need more?

What does the bible say will happen in 2131? I've certainly never heard anything about that, and me and the bible have had extensive communications.

The 120 year warning came in the former state, before even the flood.

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Now, to confirm that this was in the former state, we have some doozies before and after the verse! Like a tapestry of reason.


2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days;....

 

[Tuddrussell]

God changes stuff. Need more?

That is not a reason... Why does God change them?

The 120 year warning came in the former state, before even the flood.

Whatever it was already happened, if it happened at all. I assume by flood, you mean the story where Moses repopulates the world after a flood by capturing all the female animals and making them his wives.

That was about 5000 years ago. 5000 > 120!

 

[dad]

Why would God fundamentally change reality? ...

The flood changed reality. Creation changed reality. Heaven changes reality. Jesus changed reality. Heck, it's what God does.

 

[dad]

No. Bad dad! God made reality, he didn't change it arbitraily. ...

There will be a new heavens and earth. One must admit God has been involved in changes, and will be.

 

[Tuddrussell]

He doesn't need to change anything, He's omniscient. He can just make reality as He sees fit from the very begining.

He would need a reason to change it, you haven't provided this or even any proof that such a thing occured.

 

[dad]

He doesn't need to change anything, He's omniscient. He can just make reality as He sees fit from the very begining.

He needed to change the earth....the curse. Your theory is overthrown.

He would need a reason to change it, you haven't provided this or even any proof that such a thing occured.

Man's sin was a reason to change it with the flood, and I suspect the split also.

 

[Tuddrussell]

He needed to change the earth....the curse. Your theory is overthrown.

Man's sin was a reason to change it with the flood, and I suspect the split also.

What is this change, and what does it have to do with evolution... and most importantly, what proof have you?

 

[dad]

What is this change, and what does it have to do with evolution... and most importantly, what proof have you?

The curse? It affected the way women bear children. It affected plants, animals, all sorts of things.

 

[dad]

You have no any case. MGS?

So, the bible does show us that we were known of God before the womb, and in it. We are also told the first man was formed. So biblically there is no possibility of random creation by evolving from anything but a created kind. Any evolving is physical, and after the fact. It also is under control. The real us is made by God.

 

[Tuddrussell]

So, the bible does show us that we were known of God before the womb, and in it.

Which he could do either way, regardless of evolution. Because he is omniscient.

We are also told the first man was formed. So biblically there is no possibility of random creation by evolving from anything but a created kind. Any evolving is physical, and after the fact. It also is under control. The real us is made by God.

We are not told that it wasn't through evolution that the first man was formed. Whether it is under control or not is irrelevent. Evolution is a thing, this is a fact. It happens, you can see it happen!

Evolution and God are not mutually exclusive. If they were, it is evidence against God because EVOLUTION does happen and exists.

 

[dad]

Which he could do either way, regardless of evolution. Because he is omniscient.

No. Impossible, because He cannot lie. He told us how it was done.

We are not told that it wasn't through evolution that the first man was formed. Whether it is under control or not is irrelevent. Evolution is a thing, this is a fact. It happens, you can see it happen!

Yes, when a man and woman are made on a certain day, we can deduce that it was not evolution or natural selection, or mold from bat dung.

 

[Falconjudge]

... Why must people believe in the errant words of mere men instead of taking lesson from the unaltered work of his hand? Fossils, science; these are the works of God! Everyone has different religions and beliefs about God, even different interpretations of the Bible, but the only work of God you can study, really study, without bias is the work of his hands. Yet you ignore them in favor of a book written by men so far after the fact that it's ridiculous.

 

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[dad]

... Why must people believe in the errant words of mere men instead of taking lesson from the unaltered work of his hand? Fossils, science; these are the works of God! Everyone has different religions and beliefs about God, even different interpretations of the Bible, but the only work of God you can study, really study, without bias is the work of his hands. Yet you ignore them in favor of a book written by men so far after the fact that it's ridiculous.

Science actually is not a magic genie god to be worshiped blindly. Some things in science are good and real knowledge. Other things, like the creation replacement junk, is garbage.