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GodSaves

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This could be your mission statement:

"We who are Christians uphold Jesus Christ as the Son of God, Savior of all. The Bible that tells us this about Jesus Christ, is full of errors and contradictions. We deem the Bible full of errors and contradictions because we know all that is in the Bible and have the full wisdom of God to tell you it is full of errors and contradicitons. Even though the Bible says man is foolish, we are not, we are wise in human intelligence. This human intelligence says the Bible is full of errors and contradictions."
 
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bluejeans said:
People thought about one hundred years ago that Israel would never
be a nation again too,even the christians. They said the bible was to be
taken symbolically about that. It is now a nation again. The people at that
time just didn't see how it would be possible in their day.
That is unfulfilled prophesy and has absolutely nothing to do with this thread; thanks for trying to add your input though.

I'm still waiting for anyone to even bother trying to explain these contradictions.
 
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Why try and explain them? You have a mission to point them out, and you will believe them to be contradictions period. IMHO, there are no contradictions in the Bible.

Ever think that man might not be as smart as he thinks he is? Ever think man might not know all there is to know? Ever think we might be looking from a very limited perspective? God is God, and I will believe what HE has said.

God Bless
 
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GodSaves said:
Why try and explain them? You have a mission to point them out, and you will believe them to be contradictions period.
I guess we'll never know because no one is bothering to even try and explain them.

IMHO, there are no contradictions in the Bible.
Then you never read these passages very carefully. Are you in the habit of only doing cursory readings of the Bible or does it only come about when you approach a contradiction?

Ever think that man might not be as smart as he thinks he is? Ever think man might not know all there is to know? Ever think we might be looking from a very limited perspective? God is God, and I will believe what HE has said.
That is the worst cop-out I have ever heard about anything in my whole life. So you're saying "there may appear to be contradictions in the Bible but there aren't because God is mysterious like that"? So, somehow, God made the Bible to say that there will be death after the creation of the new heavens and earth and to say that there won't be death after this creation and it somehow isn't contradictory? He made the Bible give an account of 2 angels being present when Mary visits the tomb, give an account where there are no angels, and give 2 accounts where there is 1 angel, but because He's God, they don't contradict each other?

**boggle**

You would do Oceania proud.
 
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GodSaves said:
Why try and explain them? You have a mission to point them out, and you will believe them to be contradictions period. IMHO, there are no contradictions in the Bible.
As I've pointed out, the KJV has no contradictions. You can find thousands of websites dedicated to showing there are no contradictions in the KJV. So if someone wants to use the NIV or NASB, that is fine, but they aren't written as well. God has preserved His Word in the Greek, Hebrew, and English. But the English, of all three is the poorest language so it's no surprise some newer versions have a few errors in it.

You can choose whatever version you like, just realize some of them do contain errors. That's not God's fault, but man's fault - as He has offered versions that are free of errors and contradictions.

Dr. Ruckman is always happy to answers people's problems in the KJV, you can contact his ministry at any time (it's in Pensecola).

But feel free to use whatever version you want, but those of us who don't aren't going to offer much help :).
 
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troodon said:
I guess we'll never know because no one is bothering to even try and explain them.

Then you never read these passages very carefully. Are you in the habit of only doing cursory readings of the Bible or does it only come about when you approach a contradiction?

That is the worst cop-out I have ever heard about anything in my whole life. So you're saying "there may appear to be contradictions in the Bible but there aren't because God is mysterious like that"? So, somehow, God made the Bible to say that there will be death after the creation of the new heavens and earth and to say that there won't be death after this creation and it somehow isn't contradictory? He made the Bible give an account of 2 angels being present when Mary visits the tomb, give an account where there are no angels, and give 2 accounts where there is 1 angel, but because He's God, they don't contradict each other?

**boggle**

You would do Oceania proud.
If you have a problem with God and His Word, then why don't you take it up with Him? Are you really serving God by trying to prove His Word to be a contradiction and a lie?

If you really think man is so smart that he can understand everything then fine believe it. If you really think that our perspective is not limited, then fine. Do you believe you have the same perspective as God? Do you believe you have the same knowledge as God? If not, then man is not as smart as he thinks he is and is looking at things from a limited perspective.

Have you forgotten what faith is?
 
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I can't believe this thread...

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As I've pointed out, the KJV has no contradictions.
No, you have not pointed that out; you have claimed it. I will now refute your claim:

Firstly, the angels present at the empty tomb:

Matthew and Mark:

Matthew 28:2-5 ".And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men. And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified...."

Mark 16:5 "And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted."

Now for Luke and John:

Luke 24:4-5 "And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments: And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead "

John 20:10-15 "Then the disciples went away again unto their own home. But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre, And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain. And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my LORD, and I know not where they have laid him. And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou?...."

Ok, so let's get this straight. In Mark, Matthew, and Luke the angel(s) appear when Mary and her comrades first get to the tomb. In John they appear to Mary alone after she has gone to the apostles. Also, John says that Mary sees the angels and the risen Christ at the same time and then Mary Magdalene went to the desciples with the news, but Mark says after seeing the angels that they said nothing to anyone because they were afraid, but later on Mary by herself sees Jesus risen and then goes to tell the disciples.

Secondly the staff:

Matthew 10:9-10 "Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,
10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat."

Luke 9:3 " And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece"

Mark 6:8 "And commanded them that they should take nothing for their journey, save a staff only; no scrip, no bread, no money in their purse".


So, did Jesus tell his disciples to bring a staff/stave (they are synonyms; "staves" is actually a plural form for more than one staff) or not?


Lastly, the question of whether or not people die after God has created the new earth.

In Isaiah 65:20 it reads "There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed."

So, obviously, death will exist in the new world God creates; the child dies. One should also wonder what infants are doing in the new earth when Jesus said, "At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven." Do the angels in heaven often make infants? Also, here it says that there are sinners; strange, ain't it?

In Revelation Jesus destroys death (Rev. 20:14 "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.") before the founding of the new Jerusalem. People cannot die when there is no death.


You can find thousands of websites dedicated to showing there are no contradictions in the KJV.
I couldn't. I found a few more about Biblical contradictions; none of them were devoted solely to KJV or addressed these examples. Please, prove me wrong, provide a link to just one of these thousands of websites.

So if someone wants to use the NIV or NASB, that is fine, but they aren't written as well.
At least they haven't made the error of saying "Thou shalt commit adultery"... that was a misprint in a 1631 edition of the KJV you're aware?

God has preserved His Word in the Greek, Hebrew, and English. But the English, of all three is the poorest language so it's no surprise some newer versions have a few errors in it.
How does one qualify one language as being "poorer" than another? And why is it no surprise that the newer versions, not being manipulated by an absolute monarchy, would have more errors?

That's not God's fault, but man's fault
I'm not saying that any of these are God's fault.

Dr. Ruckman is always happy to answers people's problems in the KJV, you can contact his ministry at any time
By what method?

(it's in Pensecola).
All the good ones are

**rolls eyes**

If you have a problem with God and His Word
STOP SAYING THIS. Jesus is God's Word, not the Bible!

Are you really serving God by trying to prove His Word to be a contradiction and a lie?
If I went around saying that there are no contradictions then I would be lying, because they are there. And I did not call the Bible a lie, nor did I call God a liar.

If you really think man is so smart that he can understand everything then fine believe it. If you really think that our perspective is not limited, then fine. Do you believe you have the same perspective as God? Do you believe you have the same knowledge as God? If not, then man is not as smart as he thinks he is and is looking at things from a limited perspective.
Are you even reading the passages I'm citing? This has absolutely, ABSOLUTELY
nothing to do with perspective or with our limited perception, both of which I'm well aware of. One account says 2 angels, 2 say 1, and one says zero; what perspective am I missing that turns 2 into 1 into zero?

Wait! I get it now! There was one angel when Mary visited, but there were 2 angels, but there weren't any angels, and it doesn't contradict itself! Oh my gosh, how could i have missed it! God can make things contradictory but not contradictory just because we ourselves aren't God. Wow

And you know what this means; it means both origin theories are right! God created the universe 15 billion years ago and allowed life to evolve on earth but at the same time he created the universe 6 thousand years ago and blinked life into existance! They don't contradict each other! Holy smokes! I'm gunna go tell some people about this!!!!!!!!!

Have you forgotten what faith is?
Don't get inflammatory.
 
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It seems you are only looking for an arguement. You do not seem to be interested in understanding. I would warn you, there are consequences to calling God and His Word contradictory. It is by faith we trust what God has given to people to write down. The Bible has its origin in God. Maybe you could explain how saying God and HIs Word are contradictory is helping the cause of Christ.
 
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GodSaves said:
It seems you are only looking for an arguement
I am looking for answers. I read these things and I see blatant contradictions; if they don't exist then please explain why they aren't contradictions.

I would warn you, there are consequences to calling God and His Word contradictory.
Jesus said nothing that contradicts anything God said.




Oh, or were you talking about some other "Word"....? That's the only one I know about.

It is by faith we trust what God has given to people to write down.
The Bible has its origin in God.
The Bible was written by human beings. The same kinds of human beings that defied God time after time after time after time after time in the Bible. And yet they, for some reason, didn't do so in their writting of the Bible?

And I'm to believe this when there are obvious contradictions in the Bible (just because you, without any reason whatsoever, refuse to accept them does not mean they don't exist).

Maybe you could explain how saying God and HIs Word are contradictory is helping the cause of Christ.
You're right; I should tell new Christians and non-Christians not to read Isaiah, Revelation, or any of the Gospels. Heaven forbid they find these on their own!
 
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trooden, I now know you are not telling the truth. Just because you don't want to look for it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

If you want to believe it, fine. But the answers are there. Don't say no website has offered answers, they have. vbmenu_register("postmenu_10081679", true);
 
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GodSaves said:
I would warn you, there are consequences to calling God and His Word contradictory.
Assuming you are misusing "His Word" to mean the Bible, what are the consequences? Come on, if you're going to use spiritual threats against us (when logic fails) let's know what the consequences are. Or is it just a vague "Agree with me or God'll get yer" sort of threat? Sort of like the phone call in the middle of the night "Big Luigi says that if you don't get off our turf, you's gonna regret it, you unnerstand?"

It is by faith we trust what God has given to people to write down.
So. We have different models of divine inspiration.

The Bible has its origin in God.
The question is how far the origin is from the destination.

Maybe you could explain how saying God and HIs Word are contradictory is helping the cause of Christ.
Honesty is always better than squashed up doubts. People can spot a phony.
 
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The Bible is inerrant in its message, not in its literary and historic details. The important point is that even if you could come up with some convoluted "work-arounds" for these contradictions (which you have not even tried to do, anyway), the problem still remains: the "plain, simple" reading of the text shows a contradiction and it requires interpretive efforts (sometimes herculean efforts) to try to make them NOT contradictions.

So much for the plain, non-interpretive reading, then.
 
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troodon said:
Ok, so let's get this straight. In Mark, Matthew, and Luke the angel(s) appear when Mary and her comrades first get to the tomb. In John they appear to Mary alone after she has gone to the apostles. Also, John says that Mary sees the angels and the risen Christ at the same time and then "Mary Magdalene went to the desciples with the news", but Mark says after seeing the angels "They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid", but later on Mary by herself sees Jesus risen and then goes to tell the disciples.

The four Gospels are four narratives that have no obligation to follow sequentially the same events. However, the can be synchronized.

The following is from "The Sequence of Events Following the Lord's Resurrection."

The observation of the women where and how the body laid. Matt 27:61 Mark 15:47 Luke 23:55

The preparation of the spices by the women from Galilee on the eve of the High Sabbath. Luke 23:56-

Their rest according to the Commandment (Leviticus 23:7). Luke 23:-56

The visit of the women at the close of the weekly Sabbath, on "the first day of the week". Matt. 28:1 Mark 16:1, 2 Luke 24:1 John 20:1-

"Who shall roll us away the stone?" Mark 16:3

The stone already rolled away. Matt. 28:2 - 4

They find the stone rolled away. Mark 16:4, 5 Luke 24:2 John 20:-1

Address of the angel to the women. Matt. 28:5 - 7 Mark 16:6, 7 Luke 24:3 - 7

Departure of the women. Matt. 28:8 Mark 16:8 Luke 24:8, 9

They meet the Lord. Matt. 28:9, 10

And tell His disciples, and Peter. Mark 16:9 - 11 Luke 24:10, 11 John 20:2 (oun)

The report of the watch. Matt. 28:11 -15

The visit of Peter and John. Luke 24:12 John 20:3 - 10 (oun)

Mary's visit to the sepulchre. John 20:11 - 18

So, did Jesus tell his disciples to bring a staff or not? My roomate, who being a non-Christian (and one who seems to be very apathetic to religion, not really caring) has, IMO, no prejudice in his reading, answered this question "No, no, yes".

Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who is your roommate?

(Mat 10:10) Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.

(Mark 6:8) And commanded them that they should take nothing for their journey, save a staff only; no scrip, no bread, no money in their purse:

(Luke 9:3) And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece.​

Matt 10:10 and Mark 6:8, we cannot carry "staves" (plural). Only one staff (Luke 9:3).

In Isaiah 65:20 it reads "Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; he who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere youth; he who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed." So, obviously, death will exist in the new world God creates. One should also wonder what infants are doing in the new earth when Jesus said, "At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven." Do the angels in heaven often make infants?

The metaphore illustrates the condition of souls after the changing of bodies (1 Cor. 15). All souls are the same age, and at the changing of bodies, old men will seem very young, babies will not be babies. The sinner that was "cut off" was cut off before the "new" heavens and earth were established.
 
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