Bible study

[WeBe1]

Your example is good, thanks for sharing.

Not to take anything from you though, I will like to share with you in how I see Christ in this story…

Cain represents the first Adam, who is cursed on the earth, because his works did not please God. His offering was of grains that did not have an order in place.

Abel represents the image of Christ, the second Adam, who was blessed by God because his works, in offering of the first born of his flocks.

Man’s work does not contain the remission of sin for payment of his fallen condition.

Christ; aka the Lamb of God, the first born of God, and His only begotten Son, offered the perfect sacrifice, “Himself” the remission of sin is found in His blood.

 

[MrsSagorski1611]

That is also one of the views I see of the "story" of Cain and Abel I think it is so wonderful how God put the gospel all throughout the Bible, not just in the New Testament.

 

[rita727]

Your example is good, thanks for sharing.

Not to take anything from you though, I will like to share with you in how I see Christ in this story…

Cain represents the first Adam, who is cursed on the earth, because his works did not please God. His offering was of grains that did not have an order in place.

Abel represents the image of Christ, the second Adam, who was blessed by God because his works, in offering of the first born of his flocks.

Man’s work does not contain the remission of sin for payment of his fallen condition.

Christ; aka the Lamb of God, the first born of God, and His only begotten Son, offered the perfect sacrifice, “Himself” the remission of sin is found in His blood.

Wow. That's definitely one way to look at it.

 

[looksgood]

That is also one of the views I see of the "story" of Cain and Abel I think it is so wonderful how God put the gospel all throughout the Bible, not just in the New Testament.

Through the whole bible it screams from the pages "I AM a GOD WHO LOVES TO SAVE!"

Even in this story we see that. God not only told Cain what was needed to come before Him, but He protected him while he was away from God.

Look at it this way...Cain was already not right with God (I desire mercy not sacrifice). But God reached out to him and let Cain know why they were at odds. Look at that...GOD REACHED OUT TO SAVE!

Then when Cain killed Able God continued to reach out. He could have killed Cain then and there, but He sent him out into hiding and placed a mark on him to protect him. God was showing great mercy here.

 

[looksgood]

Your example is good, thanks for sharing.

Not to take anything from you though, I will like to share with you in how I see Christ in this story…

Cain represents the first Adam, who is cursed on the earth, because his works did not please God. His offering was of grains that did not have an order in place.

Abel represents the image of Christ, the second Adam, who was blessed by God because his works, in offering of the first born of his flocks.

Man’s work does not contain the remission of sin for payment of his fallen condition.

Christ; aka the Lamb of God, the first born of God, and His only begotten Son, offered the perfect sacrifice, “Himself” the remission of sin is found in His blood.

A good comparison. Lets take it further...

Cain represents our flesh...and Able our spirit. The best the flesh can offer is it's own works, while our spirit has the offering of the blood of Jesus.

Our flesh always seems to win doesn't it? We fall to the same sins...we are overtaken often. Yet when we fall the blood of Jesus cries out for us! It said in Hebrews that His blood "Speaks better things than that of Able". His blood cries out for mercy.

So our flesh wanders the earth until the redemtion of our spirit (until the end). We are both Cain and Able. One is the outer man that will die...the other is the inner man that lives forever.

 

[WeBe1]

Through the whole bible it screams from the pages "I AM a GOD WHO LOVES TO SAVE!"

Even in this story we see that. God not only told Cain what was needed to come before Him, but He protected him while he was away from God.

Look at it this way...Cain was already not right with God (I desire mercy not sacrifice). But God reached out to him and let Cain know why they were at odds. Look at that...GOD REACHED OUT TO SAVE!

Then when Cain killed Able God continued to reach out. He could have killed Cain then and there, but He sent him out into hiding and placed a mark on him to protect him. God was showing great mercy here.

Do you see how this picture correlates with the Jews & Christ?

After the Jews killed Christ, (technically speaking) they were cast out of Israel shortly there after and sent to wander in other nations where they lived cursed, however protected lives.

 

[looksgood]

Do you see how this picture correlates with the Jews & Christ?

After the Jews killed Christ, they were cast out of Israel shortly there after and sent to wander in other nations where they lived cursed, however protected lives.

Shows another area of God...He does not change!

 

[looksgood]

Also have you ever noticed that when people wander alone without God...God is always there with them and trying to lead them back to Him. Cain was out there on his own but God was there with him the whole time (even if unnoticed). Why would God be merciful and hang around sinners? Why let them live and wander?

Because He wants to bring them home one day!

 

[WeBe1]

Also have you ever noticed that when people wander alone without God...God is always there with them and trying to lead them back to Him. Cain was out there on his own but God was there with him the whole time (even if unnoticed). Why would God be merciful and hang around sinners? Why let them live and wander?

Because He wants to bring them home one day!

Did not Jesus act this out when He was with us during His 3 1/2 year ministry? He was hanging with the sinners and helping them become Saints!

 

[rita727]

Also have you ever noticed that when people wander alone without God...God is always there with them and trying to lead them back to Him. Cain was out there on his own but God was there with him the whole time (even if unnoticed). Why would God be merciful and hang around sinners? Why let them live and wander?

Because He wants to bring them home one day!

 

[Shazamataz]

Sure, I think this story also speaks wonders of God's mercy. It also speaks of God looking on the heart.

God never set a law in place at this time for blood sacrifice. At least not that He spoke of. So we know the sacrifice of Cain was not accepted not because of it being something other than blood. Instead God looked at Cain and said "If you do well, will you not be accepted?".

I love Gods questions. He only asks them to get us to think! God was telling Cain "Look at yourself and realise that you are far from me. You are not like Able because your heart is full of jealousy."

Instead of Cain looking at himself that way he killed Able. It shows us how that God tries to tell us how to get close to Him. He didn't shrowed it in mystery as to why He didn't accept Cain. Cain just refused to listen.

We do the same thing today. All of us have had God ask a question "If you do well will you not be accepted?" But how often do we take that and examin ourselves, come to God and say,

"God, help me remove this sin."

Most of the time we pray and God does not answer...then we get angry. The whole time God said "If you do well you will be accepted." So we blame God instead of really examining ourselves.

That's just a little bit about that subject. Later I want to share how God responds to our sin.

I dont quite understand what you mean by "if you do well you will be accepted"? God accepts everyone, right? I know I often dont measure up...

Also have you ever noticed that when people wander alone without God...God is always there with them and trying to lead them back to Him. Cain was out there on his own but God was there with him the whole time (even if unnoticed). Why would God be merciful and hang around sinners? Why let them live and wander?

Because He wants to bring them home one day!

This reminds me of myself. Even Christians try to wander alone without God sometimes. Yes, He's always there, but I dont always notice Him, and I often accuse of Him NOT being there!! Why would God let ME live and wander??? Because He loves me, a sinner, so intensely that I will never comprehend. I wish I COULD comrehend His love for me...

 

[looksgood]

I dont quite understand what you mean by "if you do well you will be accepted"? God accepts everyone, right? I know I often dont measure up...

I was speaking of this verse in gen. 4:6

6 So the LORD said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? 7 If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.”

God would rather us be good than for us to always need sacrifice. True that we are in need of a savior...but if we go after sin because we think a sacrifice is all that is needed then we do not please God.

Christ did not die to give us fire insurance. He died so that all those who really WANTED to live could.

We actualy had this in sunday school today. In Jude it speaks of people going the way of Cain. It was mainly speaking of how people use grace as an excuse to sin rather than a way to rule over it.

 

[looksgood]

By the way, no one messures up. But let us not take the grace of God and turn it into an excuse. We should desire the good and follow after it. We will stumble, but there is a differance between driving a car off a bridge just because we know a hospital will take care of us and skidding out of control and having the hospital there to patch us up.

 

[JPPT1974]

If we stumble, then people that want to
Know more about Christ, will be letdown!

 

[looksgood]

If we stumble, then people that want to
Know more about Christ, will be letdown!

Actualy...if we stumble and get back up then it would show people Gods mercy. Each time we stumble it can be used for the good.

 

[rita727]

Actualy...if we stumble and get back up then it would show people Gods mercy. Each time we stumble it can be used for the good.

Yeah, but sometimes it's hard to get your head to see it that way.

If we stumble, then people that want to
Know more about Christ, will be letdown!

I know what you mean.

 

[Shazamataz]

Yeah, but sometimes it's hard to get your head to see it that way.

Agreed!!!! What do you mean sometimes??? It seems like ALL THE TIME for me...

By the way, no one messures up. But let us not take the grace of God and turn it into an excuse. We should desire the good and follow after it. We will stumble, but there is a differance between driving a car off a bridge just because we know a hospital will take care of us and skidding out of control and having the hospital there to patch us up.

Thanks Looksgood, for your explanation. it makes sense now

 

[non-religious]

[JPPT1974]If we stumble, then people that want to
Know more about Christ, will be letdown!

Hi......

I actually totally disagree with what your saying here (with respect of course )

As Christians we will stumble and I love the fact that I can look at someone like David and see the amount of mess he got into and yet how much did God love him? When Peter denied Jesus, how much did He still love him? I'm very qualified at messing up. Infact I probably have a masters and PHD in stumbling. Yet that has not caused anyone who knows me or come into contact with me to stumble or feel let down. The reverse is very often true. They can see that I have a relationship with the living God and if I can anyone can. It gives hope.

I would rather be around a Christian who has experienced a few stumbles and through them grown spiritually and become more Christlike. Than a Christian who acts as though they have never sinned and will never sin again and is perfect.

If we stumble infront of people we just get up and continue walking and then those stumbles will become less and less as our walk becomes more stable and mature

 

[MrsSagorski1611]

Gen 4:5
But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.


I'd like to see what ya'll think of this verse.

 

[looksgood]

Gen 4:5
But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.


I'd like to see what ya'll think of this verse.

Yeah...angry with God. Like many of us do at times unfortunetly. We pray a prayer God sayes no to and we blame Him because we THOUGHT we were in His will.