Bible-Creation-Evolution

[1611AV]

Are you a literalist or not?

He takes the Bible literally and spiritually that is all. If one is not spiritual, that one will see the spiritual as figurative or as a analogy. The parable is for the spiritually impaired.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

First for his glory! Only He can number them exactly. Not only that but has named each one. It give us awe of the height of his Throne.

1 Corinthians 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the STARS: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

Psalms 148:3 Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye STARS of light.

Psalms 147:4 He telleth the number of the STARS; he calleth them all by their names.

Genesis 15:5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the STARS, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.

Psalms 8:3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the STARS, which thou hast ordained;

Job 22:12 Is not God in the height of heaven? and behold the height of the STARS, how high they are!

Notice what Satan says in his heart in Isaiah 14:13

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

So, basically, god gets a kick out of making stars? Sounds a bit narcissistic to me.

 

[AV1611VET]

So, basically, god gets a kick out of making stars? Sounds a bit narcissistic to me.

You do know that the stars are not just placed there haphazardly, don't you? but that they form a pictogram of the plan of salvation?

 

[Mr Dave]

You do know that the stars are not just placed there haphazardly, don't you? but that they form a pictogram of the plan of salvation?

I've not heard that before. Do you mind elaborating? I'm quite tired and from what you've said all I've got is that you're saying that the stars act like a giant dot to dot that spell out salvation, which I don't think you mean to say, but can't quite work out what you mean

 

[Nostromo]

You appear to be taking a passage that has a perfectly clear meaning in context, and extracting a figurative meaning from it. Isn't that against the spirit of literalism?

If not, I'd be interested to know what your idea of literalism is.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

You do know that the stars are not just placed there haphazardly, don't you? but that they form a pictogram of the plan of salvation?

It was another religious poster who gave the impression is was for 'god's pleasure.' This view does seem to imply random haphazardly. Which is exactly what I would expect from a literalist.

I however, do have a fundamental understanding of galaxy and star formation, and it follows basic laws astrophysics. Thanks for asking though.

 

[Belk]

So, basically, god gets a kick out of making stars? Sounds a bit narcissistic to me.

If I recall correctly His reason for creating the entire universe and everything in it was to "glorify" himself.

 

[1611AV]

So, basically, god gets a kick out of making stars? Sounds a bit narcissistic to me.

So your question to which I gave a honest answer was just another attempt to mock God.

I think your comment defines narcissism at its best.

 

[Belk]

So your question to which I gave a honest answer was just another attempt to mock God.

I think your comment defines narcissism at its best.

You have a really odd definition of narcissism then.

 

[AV1611VET]

I've not heard that before. Do you mind elaborating? I'm quite tired and from what you've said all I've got is that you're saying that the stars act like a giant dot to dot that spell out salvation, which I don't think you mean to say, but can't quite work out what you mean

This book explains everything quite well:

The constellations, starting with Virgo (Jesus, born of a virgin) and ending with Leo (Jesus, the Lion of the tribe of Judah), paint a wonderful picture of salvation.

My favorite is Aries.

Known as a 'ram' in the corrupted Greek language, the Hebrews knew it as the Lamb.

When Jesus died on the Cross, it went dark from noon to three, and there, over the Cross, they saw Aries, the Lamb of God, slain from the foundation of the world.

Gemini is another favorite.

Known as twins in the corrupted Greek language, the Hebrews knew him as one and the same person; later revealed as Jesus Christ, King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

 

[Mr Dave]

This book explains everything quite well:

The constellations, starting with Virgo (Jesus, born of a virgin) and ending with Leo (Jesus, the Lion of the tribe of Judah), paint a wonderful picture of salvation.

My favorite is Aries.

Known as a 'ram' in the corrupted Greek language, the Hebrews knew it as the Lamb.

When Jesus died on the Cross, it went dark from noon to three, and there, over the Cross, they saw Aries, the Lamb of God, slain from the foundation of the world.

Gemini is another favorite.

Known as twins in the corrupted Greek language, the Hebrews knew him as one and the same person; later revealed as Jesus Christ, King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

Errr...really?!

That all sounds a little contrived to me.

 

[AV1611VET]

Errr...really?!

Yes, really.

That all sounds a little contrived to me.

Ah yes -- sounds.

Which brother did Joseph lock up in Egypt, and what does his name mean?

For some of us, our hearing is still imprisoned, is it not?

 

[Assyrian]

Did Judas betray Jesus for 60 fence posts?

What say we keep the literal meaning literal; and the figurative meaning figurative, eh?

By all means. Though the big question is whether a passage is speaking literally, figuratively, or both.

ETA:

And by the way, Assyrian, you're the one who argues voraciously for a figurative Genesis 1 -- how's come we're explaining these lights to you?

And don't think I'm not noticing that you now want to argue against the figurative interpretation as well.

Hey, if you look back I applauded your venture into metaphorical interpretations I would have though if you wanted an allegorical interpretation of the two great lights, Moses and Christ or the law and the gospel would be a more traditional approach.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

Yes, really.

Ah yes -- sounds.

Which brother did Joseph lock up in Egypt, and what does his name mean?

For some of us, our hearing is still imprisoned, is it not?

Benjamin.

Don't know.

My hearing is excellent.

Are there any extrabibilical texts corroborating a Hebrew man named Joseph became a ruler in Egypt?

 

[AV1611VET]

Benjamin.

Try Simeon.

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

Try Simeon.

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Eh, whatever. He had too many brothers to keep up with.

Are you unable or unwilling to answer my question?

 

[Tiberius]

They are types -- 3-dimensional word pictures (or events), so to speak -- which means that they are actual things that can be used to explain some deep Truth.

Lambs are real animals, but they are symbolic of the human race; the human race is the lambs' antitype.

The greatest single type in the Bible is the Tabernacle in the Wilderness, where everything in it is a picture of Jesus Christ.

The outer fence, for example, was held up by 60 fence posts.

At the top of each post was a block of silver, made from offerings of 1/2 shekels of silver.

60 one-half shekels correspond to the 30 pieces of silver that Jesus was betrayed for.

The boards, which were made of [acacia] wood overlaid with gold, speak of Jesus' dual nature:

1. a root out of a dry ground -- (the acacia tree grows in the desert)
2. gold symbolizes deity

This doesn't explain what I asked for at all.

No -- astrology is forbidden in Deuteronomy 18 -- (I think it is).

Astrology is Satan's cheap imitation for God's signs and wonders in the Heavens.

Then why does the Bible say that the lights in the sky - sun moon and stars - are to be used for signs?

And 1611AV, you are still ignoring my last post to you! Are you going to reply to it or not?

 

[Research1]

Then why does the Bible say that the lights in the sky - sun moon and stars - are to be used for signs?

Signs to track time. Its not astrology.

Sun-dials for example are not astrological.

 

[AV1611VET]

Eh, whatever. He had too many brothers to keep up with.

Eleven brothers and one sister are too much to keep up with?

I take it learning the names of the disciples would have been an act of cruelty?

But I'll bet you can type the formula for gravity or mass/energy conversion or universal entropy or angular momentum or the Lorentz contraction without looking -- can't you?

 

[AV1611VET]

Then why does the Bible say that the lights in the sky - sun moon and stars - are to be used for signs?

Do you know what astrology [really] is?

In astrology, the configuration of the stars at the moment of ones' birth establishes a cause-and-effect relationship throughout their lifetime.