Bible-Creation-Evolution (2)

[AV1611VET]

I could be wrong in that, but if I am why is there no evidence for creationism and so much against it?

For the same reason there was so much evidence for Phlogiston at one time.

 

[1611AV]

This from someone who used to be a bible-basher.

I could be wrong in that, but if I am why is there no evidence for creationism and so much against it?

What is against creation?

 

[1611AV]

Good on ya mate! The conflict does not seem real to me. To be honest I think the discordance many people sense between Christianity and Evolution appears... Well, to be honest, nonsensical. I don't see where it's coming from.

This from someone who used to be a bible-basher. Took a while before I realized what I was promoting was far more likely to be heretical than that which I was attacking. In my humble opinion. I could be wrong in that, but if I am why is there no evidence for creationism and so much against it?

Genesis 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Lets go back in time with evolution. the first life forms, were they male and female according to the science of evolution?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Genesis 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Lets go back in time with evolution. the first life forms, were they male and female according to the science of evolution?

So, they were both named Adam?

 

[1611AV]

So, they were both named Adam?

Yes, Mr. Adam and Mrs. Adam just like my wife and I share my name.

 

[Belk]

For the same reason there was so much evidence for Phlogiston at one time.

Yes AV, we have heard it before. humans where wrong about something at some point so we had all better listen to you because you are infallible and could never be mistaken.

 

[1611AV]

Yes AV, we have heard it before. humans where wrong about something at some point so we had all better listen to you because you are infallible and could never be mistaken.

Yet the Word of God has never been proven wrong

 

[Koizito]

Genesis 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Lets go back in time with evolution. the first life forms, were they male and female according to the science of evolution?

They were neither, since it was a cell-like life form, and cells have no gender...

Yet the Word of God has never been proven wrong

Where is that Word, so I can know about it too?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Yet the Word of God has never been proven wrong

No? Care to make a little wager on that one?

Remember when I said that the Gospels were written by Jews? There's a reason that's important.

Suppose I could demonstrate that the stories we all know about Jesus were not, could not, have been historical, but instead were part of an effort to fit Jesus into the Jewish heroic paradigm, as well as (sometimes forcefully), into the Messianic prophecies, giving evidence that even you couldn't deny, would you then accept that the Bible is historicaly "wrong" in some places?

 

[Belk]

Yet the Word of God has never been proven wrong

And yet you are trying your darnedest to make it so it has.

 

[1611AV]

They were neither, since it was a cell-like life form, and cells have no gender...

Where is that Word, so I can know about it too?

Open your King James Bible and start reading the book of John.

Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

 

[1611AV]

No? Care to make a little wager on that one?

Remember when I said that the Gospels were written by Jews? There's a reason that's important.

Suppose I could demonstrate that the stories we all know about Jesus were not, could not, have been historical, but instead were part of an effort to fit Jesus into the Jewish heroic paradigm, as well as (sometimes forcefully), into the Messianic prophecies, giving evidence that even you couldn't deny, would you then accept that the Bible is historicaly "wrong" in some places?

What say thee Nathan Poe?
John 13:27

 

[1611AV]

‘The neo-Darwinist is now reaching the point of dignity in the history of science that the Ptolemaic system in astronomy, the epicycle system, reached long ago. We know that it does not work. And that is interesting. Because from the actual structure of the chromosome we can demonstrate that the human species did not come from a progressive humanisation of a pre-human.’

Quoted from Conference Paper dated October 1975, The Beginning of Life, by Professor Jerome Lejeune, Chair of Fundamental Genetics, University of Paris, France.

 

[AV1611VET]

Remember when I said that the Gospels were written by Jews?

All four of them?

There's a reason that's important.

Must not be much of a reason, since one of the four wasn't.

 

[Matthijs]

Because all these labels (precambrian, eocene, etc.) are nothing more than gerrymandering.

That's like asking me, "Then why are we not finding goldfish in my coffee, but we are finding them in our fishbowls?"

I'm sure if you found fossils of mammals in precambrian rock, you would simply change the designation (gerrymander) of the rock to something else.

It's all done on paper -- evolution runs on a wheelchair.

[sign]In my [right to have an] opinion.[/sign]​

Nope. If we found evidence of things being different, then someone would win a nobel price for it. In science, finding evidence that says that you were wrong up till now is a joyous event. Unlike in your philosophy, where if you see facts that you do not like, you look the other way or pretend it does not exist - as you are doing now, with your completely baseless claims of scientific gerrymandering. That is something you made up on the spot so you can hang on to your bias.

Your opinion is irrational and not backed up by facts, and therefor not a very good one.

 

[Matthijs]

Yet the Word of God has never been proven wrong

Really? So the earth is a box, the Ark can be built, and there is enough water on earth to cover even the tallest mountain? A man can live inside a giant fish for 3 days?

 

[Koizito]

‘The neo-Darwinist is now reaching the point of dignity in the history of science that the Ptolemaic system in astronomy, the epicycle system, reached long ago. We know that it does not work. And that is interesting. Because from the actual structure of the chromosome we can demonstrate that the human species did not come from a progressive humanisation of a pre-human.’

Quoted from Conference Paper dated October 1975, The Beginning of Life, by Professor Jerome Lejeune, Chair of Fundamental Genetics, University of Paris, France.

You know genetics has evolved in the last 36 years, don't you?

 

[1611AV]

Really? So the earth is a box, the Ark can be built, and there is enough water on earth to cover even the tallest mountain? A man can live inside a giant fish for 3 days?

1. Word of God does not say the earth is a box
2. Word of God did not say the water came from on the earth.
3. When God prepares a great fish for that purpose, YES!


Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Genesis 8:2 The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;

Jonah 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a GREAT FISH to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

People have been trying a lot longer than you to prove God wrong.

 

[Nathan Poe]

All four of them?

Must not be much of a reason, since one of the four wasn't.

True, AV -- John's Gospel was written after Christianity was seen as a separate religious movement.

Which goes a long way to explain why John reads so differently from the other three, doesn't it?

Alas, you've demonstrated a nugget of wisdom; it's futile to expect a discussion until you're done crowing about it.

 

[Nathan Poe]

What say thee Nathan Poe?
John 13:27

yes or no will do.