Bible-Creation-Evolution (2)

[Nathan Poe]

The consensus among scholars is that Thalidomide was a wonder drug too, and that the Challenger was 'go' for throttle-up, and that Pluto was a planet, and that the Titanic was 'unsinkable'.

You sound bitter that nobody ever consults you about these things.

 

[AV1611VET]

You sound bitter that nobody ever consults you about these things.

Why would I want them to?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Why would I want them to?

I'm sure they ask the same question -- it's never stopped you before.

Now, do you have anything to add to the discussion?

 

[selfinflikted]

The consensus among scholars is that Thalidomide was a wonder drug too, and that the Challenger was 'go' for throttle-up, and that Pluto was a planet, and that the Titanic was 'unsinkable'.

Oh yea. Everyone makes mistakes... except for you, right? It doesn't make a hill of beans to me who wrote it, I just find it interesting, though not suprising, that you hold a differing opinion on the identity of the creation account's author. I say interesting, because I've never heard anyone else contend that Adam wrote it.

Occam's Razor -- I doubt Eve wrote it, and I doubt Cain, Abel, or Seth wrote it.

What makes Adam as the author more plausible than the ones you've listed here? What makes him more plausible than Moses?

It just seems to me that Adam is the most likely person to have written it.

Why?

 

[mzungu]

The consensus among scholars is that Thalidomide was a wonder drug too,

Erudition is not something you are born with but rather something that you gain over time through effort and many times through mistakes. You are being very unfair to the thousands of drugs that actually save lives and even make life bearable to the ones who suffer greatly from mental diseases and pain. Think about it; Even God regretted having made Soul a king, and this only enhances what I am saying.

and that the Challenger was 'go' for throttle-up,

NASA disregarded Morton Thiokol's warnings that the 'O' Ring would fail under the frost conditions prevailing at the time of launch. It was a political decision and not a scientific one that gave the Challenger the "Go ahead" for launch.

and that Pluto was a planet,

Pluto is still a planet that has been redefined to the status of Planetoid. Scientists discovered and defined Pluto and further progress in astronomy demanded Pluto's re designation. All they did was to call a dwarf a dwarf, and dwarfs are still humans.

and that the Titanic was 'unsinkable'.

Victorian engineering led people to think that it was so. We know better now and every such accident does result in better safety being enforced in all fields of transportation. We learn from our experiences and mistakes. The science of metallurgy was not what it is today and the shipbuilders of the time had no way of knowing that frigid waters would make for a brittle hull.

This is what happens when the Bible gets kicked out of academia.

The Bible is a spiritual guide and has no place in science. Likewise Science has no place in religion.

Occam's Razor -- I doubt Eve wrote it, and I doubt Cain, Abel, or Seth wrote it.

Irrelevant!

It just seems to me that Adam is the most likely person to have written it.

I bolded the relevant part of your statement which is a far cry from stating: " Adam definitely wrote it".

Hope you are having a pleasant day

Enjoy the documentary: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/future-intelligence/

 

[AV1611VET]

You are being very unfair to the thousands of drugs that actually save lives and even make life bearable to the ones who suffer greatly from mental diseases and pain.

Would any of those made my point, mzungu?

Should I counter, "The consensus of opinion is..." with, "The consensus of opinion is that aspirin prevents heart attacks"?

I'm clearly not the only one who thinks Adam wrote Genesis 1-3; as I demonstrated with a quote from another website.

In fact, I learned that in my own studies on the subject.

His "I've never heard anyone else contend that Adam wrote it" tells me he's not that informed.

Google is his friend.

 

[selfinflikted]

Would any of those made my point, mzungu?

Should I counter, "The consensus of opinion is..." with, "The consensus of opinion is that aspirin prevents heart attacks"?

I'm clearly not the only one who thinks Adam wrote Genesis 1-3; as I demonstrated with a quote from another website.

In fact, I learned that in my own studies on the subject.

His "I've never heard anyone else contend that Adam wrote it" tells me he's not that informed.

Google is his friend.

Because I've never heard that opinion, doesn't mean that other people don't hold that opinion. I don't find myself researching Biblical authors too often. I was merely asking for your reasoning behind your conclusion, is all.

 

[Mr Dave]

Is that so?


Moses edited Genesis, he did not write it.

Yep, that is the historic view, funnily enough, not one that I subscribe to but yes that was the predominant view, that wasn't challenged until later, not that Moses was an editor.

The view that the Torah should be understood as the divine word mediated by Moses was the standard view of the church and synagogue through the Renaissance.
...
A small number of other places indicate authorship later than Moses were pointed out by a few mediaeval scholars, but these were not systematised into a thesis that could challenge the dominant view concerning Moses' authorship of the Torah.

Modern Source Theories

Slowly, with the rise of rationalism, particularly as associated with figures such as Thomas Hobbes (1588-1679) and Benedict (Baruch) Spinoza (1632-1677), the view that the Torah was a unified whole, written by Moses, began to be questioned.

Michael D. Coogan, Introduction To The Pentateuch 'The New Oxford Annotated Bible: New Revised Standard Version with the Apocrypha: 3rd Edition ed. Michael D. Coogan' (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2007) p. 4HB

 

[AV1611VET]

Yep, that is the historic view, funnily enough, not one that I subscribe to but yes that was the predominant view, that wasn't challenged until later, not that Moses was an editor.

Thank you for the 411; but if you knew that, why did you say this:

Not even ultra-literal and orthodox (small 'o') belief accepts that. While such has tended to favour a creationist view-point, this is less well held than the view that Moses wrote all of the Pentateuch, not Adam. Where did that idea come from?

 

[Mr Dave]

Thank you for the 411; but if you knew that, why did you say this:

sorry, don't know what you mean by '411'

I said that because you suggested a view that I've never heard of, so didn't know where you got it from (that Adam wrote the first 3 chapters), as it's not even the traditional (if discredited) view. I would have disagreed with you for saying that Moses wrote every word of the Pentateuch, but understood that it as a view held by some and has been a trad view. Your opinion though is completely new to me, so I was struggling to see where you've got it from as it seemed to have come from out of the blue.

 

[Tinker Grey]

411 is an Americanism (AFAIK). This is the number you dial for information, like 911 is the number for emergencies.

So, AV thanked you for the info.

 

[AV1611VET]

sorry, don't know what you mean by '411'

Sorry -- information -- I meant, thank you for the information.

Prior to the Internet, we dialed 4-1-1 if we wanted someone's phone number; and 411 has become synonymous with 'information'.

Such as, "What's the 411* on Joe's condition in the hospital?" -- for -- "How is Joe doing?"

* pronounced: "four one one"

 

[AV1611VET]

411 is an Americanism (AFAIK). This is the number you dial for information, like 911 is the number for emergencies.

So, AV thanked you for the info.

Killjoy --

 

[Mr Dave]

411 is an Americanism (AFAIK). This is the number you dial for information, like 911 is the number for emergencies.

So, AV thanked you for the info.

Thanks Every day's a school day.

 

[Mr Dave]

Sorry -- information -- I meant, thank you for the information.

Prior to the Internet, we dialed 4-1-1 if we wanted someone's phone number; and 411 has become synonymous with 'information'.

Such as, "What's the 411* on Joe's condition in the hospital?" -- for -- "How is Joe doing?"

* pronounced: "four one one"

My thanks to you too

 

[dad]

You are a troll. You come in, ignore other viewpoints, refuse to discuss things rationally, you post comments without providing evidence to support them and you repeat the same arguments over and over despite the fact that you have been told they are wrong and explained why they are wrong.

You are not here to discuss. You are a troll.



I can deal with the Bible. I've tried in most of my posts in this thread to answer the OP, which was to show any evidence in the Bible for evolution.



In this thread, have I ever said that God wasn't responsible? No. I am playing by the rules given in the OP. i suggest you try doing that in my threads.



yes I can. What ticks me off is when people deliberately ignore what I try to say to them, and when people tell me I am wrong and provide at best weak logic that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.



So you admit that life has evolved? And evolution is a created trait?

No. evolution cannot be demonstrated to be anything other than something that happens to life. It doesn't deal in genesis! Not any more, at least since they scurried to divorce the abiogenesis stuff..

 

[dad]

Hello Dad. I'm a college student majoring in biology and have a great interest in both theistic and pantheistic religions, but consider myself a skeptic.


Is there anything specific you would like to talk about from Darwin's theory of Decent with modification?

Is there anything specific you would like to try to defend about it?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Would any of those made my point, mzungu?

Nobody expects you to do anyhting which threatens your preconceived (and often ill-conceived) "points."

I'm clearly not the only one who thinks Adam wrote Genesis 1-3; as I demonstrated with a quote from another website.

So you latched onto so someone else's lunacy -- however are you going to use smarter lunatics than yourself to glorify yourself?

 

[Nathan Poe]

No. evolution cannot be demonstrated to be anything other than something that happens to life. It doesn't deal in genesis! Not any more, at least since they scurried to divorce the abiogenesis stuff..

Abiogenesis was never a part of evolution -- people who know these things have tried (and finally succeeded, it would seem) to drive this into the heads of folks such as yourself, who are obsessed with rewriting reality to go along with your erroneous interpretations of the Bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

So you latched onto so someone else's lunacy -- however are you going to use smarter lunatics than yourself to glorify yourself?

You remind me of the Karpov - Korchnoi match and a little problem with mirrored sunglasses.