Bible-Creation-Evolution (2)

[sandwiches]

Newsflash: science has not steamrolled over me. Really. It couldn't even Buzz Lightyear over me. It best concern itself with making a better pair of socks for my feet, or a better soap or toilet paper. It is useful in this state, and not applicable in any other.

Show that there were different states and we're golden. I know you can't of course so you'll just keep on gorging on the gravy train of science while crying how satanic gravy is!

PS. I love gravy. =P

 

[sandwiches]

The sad thing is, he's been convinced that a rather bad lie is what his entire raison d'être rests upon. His hope of eternal life, his very reason for living, and actually more than that his reason to believe he's got any value at all. So we come along and shake that foundation. We shake it, and he knows he's wrong. He can't argue against us, so he perceives us as a threat to all that is good because we threaten the lie upon which his reality is based. So, as an all too human response, he makes up more lies to justify his position. We're liars. We're sinful and bad people. Science is a conspiracy to undermine God. Scientists are devil worshippers. It's insane, of course, but I can almost understand it if we look upon it as a psychological illness. And yes, I do consider fanaticism just that. A psychological illness closely related with narcissism.

If we succeed in throwing down his rotten, corrupt basis I have little doubt he'll go through a phase of depression, he might reject God at least for a while. And he might become bitter. Natural responses to having illusions to which one adheres with fanatic fervor torn asunder. Still. I do not want that for him. No more than I want him to continue trying (subconsciously, no doubt) deceiving himself and others.

I do wonder if dad and people like him truly think there is a global conspiracy that includes other Christians and theists of all kinds to promote evolution to undermine their specific interpretations of the Bible?

 

[Nostromo]

Lie. One that you will not be able to back up, as any lurker will see.

For one, ice core samples show that snow has been deposited in annual layers in the same way for hundreds of thousands of years, like tree rings. Similar things with sedimentary rocks, but over a longer period.

A different life span is noted in Sumer records...far longer.

Yeah, around 30,000 years each. That doesn't really help your case much, does it?

Spirits living on earth with men are recorded in Egypt. Bible records indicate different light, thermo dynamics, plant growth..etc.

So the only "evidence" you can ever come up with is that somebody said it was that way. Obviously those men were given the gift of supreme truth, while the stars in the sky and the ground beneath your feet were embedded with lies.

 

[dad]

The sad thing is, he's been convinced that a rather bad lie is what his entire raison d'être rests upon. His hope of eternal life, his very reason for living, and actually more than that his reason to believe he's got any value at all. So we come along and shake that foundation. We shake it, and he knows he's wrong. He can't argue against us, so he perceives us as a threat to all that is good because we threaten the lie upon which his reality is based. So, as an all too human response, he makes up more lies to justify his position. We're liars. We're sinful and bad people. Science is a conspiracy to undermine God. Scientists are devil worshippers. It's insane, of course, but I can almost understand it if we look upon it as a psychological illness. And yes, I do consider fanaticism just that. A psychological illness closely related with narcissism.

If we succeed in throwing down his rotten, corrupt basis I have little doubt he'll go through a phase of depression, he might reject God at least for a while. And he might become bitter. Natural responses to having illusions to which one adheres with fanatic fervor torn asunder. Still. I do not want that for him. No more than I want him to continue trying (subconsciously, no doubt) deceiving himself and others.

The long and lame excuses people with no case make for running is amazing. Trying to save face I guess...One of the first symptoms is putting me on ignore! A dead give away. Ho hum...

 

[dad]

I do wonder if dad and people like him truly think there is a global conspiracy that includes other Christians and theists of all kinds to promote evolution to undermine their specific interpretations of the Bible?

Dad doesn't think that. Dad thinks that there is a conspiracy to take over the world soon, under a dictatorship of Christ. And I am in on the conspiracy. Unless people get saved, their paranoia is quite justified.

 

[dad]

Show that there were different states and we're golden.

What is this supposed to men? The Midas touch?

I know you can't of course so you'll just keep on gorging on the gravy train of science while crying how satanic gravy is!

PS. I love gravy. =P

Science has no clue what the state was. The bible and history do. I am more and more confident that God was right all the time.

 

[dad]

For one, ice core samples show that snow has been deposited in annual layers in the same way for hundreds of thousands of years, like tree rings. Similar things with sedimentary rocks, but over a longer period.

You ever heard of snow physics? People that forecast avalanches for example are quite into it. They can tell how ice and snow behave and react under different conditions. Well, you see there was no snow physics when the ice age ensued, or most likely when the layers were formed. So you really cannot look at present day present state causes for new layers, and work down from there! Not unless you first prove there was a same state past. All you do is FIRST assuming one, then read all evidence that way. Circular as can be! Pitifully so. Same with tree rings. The bible indicates very very fast tree growth in the far past. You just cannot use the present as the measure. Not at all.

Obviously those men were given the gift of supreme truth, while the stars in the sky and the ground beneath your feet were embedded with lies.

No. Nothing is embedded except the beliefs you superimpose onto the stars and rocks!

 

[dad]

That is one of the reasons that I long since quit saying anything to him.
I dont much think it could happen but I dont want the responsibility for doing that to someone , if I did succeed.

I think I am on ignore with you, so you may not see this. But here is how it really is....it is not me in danger of cracking in any confrontation with you. It is the other way round. That is why you fled long ago.....cheers.

 

[Tiberius]

The long and lame excuses people with no case make for running is amazing. Trying to save face I guess...One of the first symptoms is putting me on ignore! A dead give away. Ho hum...

Nah, dad, it's because having a debate with you is like trying to teach science to a rabbit. You can talk to it until you're blue in the face, and he won't learn a thing, and he';ll still be wondering where he can find a carrot to nibble on.

Same with you.

 

[dad]

Nah, dad, it's because having a debate with you is like trying to teach science to a rabbit. You can talk to it until you're blue in the face, and he won't learn a thing, and he';ll still be wondering where he can find a carrot to nibble on.

Same with you.

You do not spend posts teaching anything....look at your post here...?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Why do we add chaff to the thread by humoring those who know nothing about the Bible or evolution, and add nothing to the discussion?

 

[dad]

Why do we add chaff to the thread by humoring those who know nothing about the Bible or evolution, and add nothing to the discussion?

I give up...why? Maybe try to say something, and lead the way for those that maybe have been Poeish.

 

[sandwiches]

Dad doesn't think that. Dad thinks that there is a conspiracy to take over the world soon, under a dictatorship of Christ. And I am in on the conspiracy. Unless people get saved, their paranoia is quite justified.

This is truly fascinating. Well, you go on thinking whatever you want. Just don't go acting out on it, k? Thanks.

 

[sandwiches]

Why do we add chaff to the thread by humoring those who know nothing about the Bible or evolution, and add nothing to the discussion?

Yea... That was my last reply to him. I'd hate to feed hia paranoia and make him act it out in a dangerous manner.

 

[dad]

This is truly fascinating. Well, you go on thinking whatever you want. Just don't go acting out on it, k? Thanks.

We will act out ruling the earth...forever. Ok?

 

[Tiberius]

You do not spend posts teaching anything....look at your post here...?

That's because there's no point in trying to teach someone who sticks their fingers in their ears and ignores what I say.

 

[Nostromo]

Well, you see there was no snow physics when the ice age ensued, or most likely when the layers were formed. So you really cannot look at present day present state causes for new layers, and work down from there!

Missing the point daddio. Cast your mind back to what was actually said:

It is verified by the fact that the traces that have been left behind are exactly as we would expect them to be if the laws back then were the same as the laws today.

Lie. One that you will not be able to back up, as any lurker will see.

Regardless of whether or not you believe them to be indicative of a same state past, the thousands of metres of layers with seasonal bands look exactly as we would expect them to if the laws back then were the same. The same is true of other studies.

What's the point of a different state that makes everything the same?

 

[TheReasoner]

We will act out ruling the earth...forever. Ok?

Is THAT why you're a christian 'dad'? You want to be a part of the ruling class in a world-encompassing creationist dictatorship?

Hm.

I'm a christian because I believe we need to make this world a better place through love, compassion, mercy... Not anti-intellectual totalitarianism.

But I suppose that just makes me more of a 'satanist' in your eyes?

 

[mzungu]

Indeed. Science is present is EVERYTHING we do- including making cups of tea (or, if you're me, coffee.)

By all means make mine English breakfast tea, and oh don't forget the scones and buttered toast with plenty of Marmite!

 

[AV1611VET]

Nah, dad, it's because having a debate with you is like trying to teach science to a rabbit. You can talk to it until you're blue in the face, and he won't learn a thing, and he';ll still be wondering where he can find a carrot to nibble on.

And yet it is interesting that it was a rabbit that was used as an example of what would falsify the theory of evolution.