Bible Characters Who Felt Abandoned by God: What Did They Do?

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For a lesson, I thought I would try and get the board's help compiling a list of Bible characters who felt abandoned by God at some point. It's sort of for myself, too (I'm feeling a bit abandoned at the moment). Here's what I've got. Please add to this list:

- Jesus. "Eloi, Eloi. Lama Sabachthani?" Jesus himself straight up says: "My God, why did You abandon me?"

- Gideon. He felt God had abandoned Israel. (Judges 6). An angel said God had not abandoned them. However, this was of Israel's own doing.

- David. Who--like Gideon--this was of David's own doing--PART of the time. Part of the time, we was off hiding in a cave, away from Saul--solely because Samuel had anointed him and he slew a giant. David did nothing wrong that time.

- Job. Although I cannot pinpoint an exact verse where Job thinks he has been abandoned by God.

- (Elijah). Elijah feels abandoned by Israel--not by God. (I Kings 19:4)

- The islanders in Acts who saw Paul get bit by a poisonous snake. (Acts 28:4)

- The disciples, speaking of the man born blind. (John 9)

- Joseph and Daniel, who must have felt abandoned, but--again--I cannot find a specific verse which says they did.

- Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego said that even if God abandons them, they still will not bow down to the idol the king created.



Anyway--you will not lose your faith and go to Hell if you feel abandoned by God. Even Jesus himself felt that.
 

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Truly, most of them must have felt that way at some point. You could probably make a case for just about any one in the Bible: Joshua at the battle of AI, Paul in prison, even John the Baptist. He was the first to proclaim Jesus Christ was the Messiah, but after spending some time in prison, he sent his disciples down to Jesus to ask Him if He truly was the Messiah. (Matthew 11:11). (Jesus replied blessed is he who does not doubt; free of charge).

It might be more interesting to look at the people God actually did abandon. I mean look at what Phinehas' wife named their child (Ichabod --I Samuel 4:21), saying the glory of God has departed Israel.

If you prefer direct Scripture, we have Isaiah 2:6 "You, Lord, have abandoned your people, the descendants of Jacob." And in fact, God admits it in Isaiah 54:7: “For a brief moment I abandoned you, but with deep compassion I will bring you back."

He abandoned Saul, which is why he had to go seek a medium.

He abandoned Eli because he turned a blind eye to his son's actions (again see 1 Samuel 1-4).

God does not abandon the sinner, but He might abandon the truly unrepentant for a season.
 
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A huge note/disclaimer here is that there is a difference between forsaking and abandoning. There are countless verses where God says He will never forsake His people (Psalms 94:14; Hebrews 13:5; Duet 31:6). Forsaking implies leaving with resentment. But, as Isaiah 54:7 shows, God will there are seasons in our life where He will be quite silent. The pendulum swings both ways.
 
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A huge note/disclaimer here is that there is a difference between forsaking and abandoning. There are countless verses where God says He will never forsake His people (Psalms 94:14; Hebrews 13:5; Duet 31:6). Forsaking implies leaving with resentment. But, as Isaiah 54:7 shows, God will there are seasons in our life where He will be quite silent. The pendulum swings both ways.

You raise a good discussion point. And you got me researching:
Forsake vs Abandoned - What's the difference?

It looks like, in Old English, forsake and abandon are very different--but it's because the word "abandon" changed. Forsake means to abandon (permanently). But abandon used to mean to surrender--such as to surrender your previous set of morals. e.g. We say the disciples preached the Gospel with reckless abandon. But it looks to me like forsake in old English is close to what abandon means in modern English. And it looks like, say, if you were translating to King James, "forsake" (or never forsake) would be the correct word.

I don't doubt the point about abandoning for a time versus abandoning forever. However, do we have something Biblically more concrete that reassures us? In times of faith crisis when we feel God has abandoned us, we need something solid that reassures us in a period of doubt. I'm trying to provide that to other believers. Maybe God has abandoned us--for a time? For some reason?
 
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For a lesson, I thought I would try and get the board's help compiling a list of Bible characters who felt abandoned by God at some point. It's sort of for myself, too (I'm feeling a bit abandoned at the moment). Here's what I've got. Please add to this list:

- Jesus. "Eloi, Eloi. Lama Sabachthani?" Jesus himself straight up says: "My God, why did You abandon me?"

- Gideon. He felt God had abandoned Israel. (Judges 6). An angel said God had not abandoned them. However, this was of Israel's own doing.

- David. Who--like Gideon--this was of David's own doing--PART of the time. Part of the time, we was off hiding in a cave, away from Saul--solely because Samuel had anointed him and he slew a giant. David did nothing wrong that time.

- Job. Although I cannot pinpoint an exact verse where Job thinks he has been abandoned by God.

- (Elijah). Elijah feels abandoned by Israel--not by God. (I Kings 19:4)

- The islanders in Acts who saw Paul get bit by a poisonous snake. (Acts 28:4)

- The disciples, speaking of the man born blind. (John 9)

- Joseph and Daniel, who must have felt abandoned, but--again--I cannot find a specific verse which says they did.

- Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego said that even if God abandons them, they still will not bow down to the idol the king created.



Anyway--you will not lose your faith and go to Hell if you feel abandoned by God. Even Jesus himself felt that.

Jesus didn't just feel abandoned, he was truly condemned and forsaken by God the Father when he spoke those words, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

His words were for us, not for himself alone. He said such things in relation to the work he was accomplishing for the redemption of men's souls. It was at that moment he bore the weight of God's eternal wrath, for our sake, that we being in him and united to him by faith may be reconciled to God.
 
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What I don't understand is the point. Okay, Israel sinned. That's why God abandoned them for a time. Jesus took on sin; that's why for Him. But--why Job? Why David? Jesse called him in from the pasture, which David complied. Goliath dared the Israelites; David complied. David did nothing wrong. Why is he being left in some cave to hide from Saul? If God promised NEVER to leave us, then patiently waiting on God's promises sure would be a lot better from...you know...back on the pasture.
 
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For a lesson, I thought I would try and get the board's help compiling a list of Bible characters who felt abandoned by God at some point. It's sort of for myself, too (I'm feeling a bit abandoned at the moment). Here's what I've got. Please add to this list:

- Jesus. "Eloi, Eloi. Lama Sabachthani?" Jesus himself straight up says: "My God, why did You abandon me?"

- Gideon. He felt God had abandoned Israel. (Judges 6). An angel said God had not abandoned them. However, this was of Israel's own doing.

- David. Who--like Gideon--this was of David's own doing--PART of the time. Part of the time, we was off hiding in a cave, away from Saul--solely because Samuel had anointed him and he slew a giant. David did nothing wrong that time.

- Job. Although I cannot pinpoint an exact verse where Job thinks he has been abandoned by God.

- (Elijah). Elijah feels abandoned by Israel--not by God. (I Kings 19:4)

- The islanders in Acts who saw Paul get bit by a poisonous snake. (Acts 28:4)

- The disciples, speaking of the man born blind. (John 9)

- Joseph and Daniel, who must have felt abandoned, but--again--I cannot find a specific verse which says they did.

- Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego said that even if God abandons them, they still will not bow down to the idol the king created.



Anyway--you will not lose your faith and go to Hell if you feel abandoned by God. Even Jesus himself felt that.
About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice,

“Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God,

why have you forsaken me?”). Mat 27:46


And at three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice,

“Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God,

why have you forsaken me?”). Mrk 15:34


You do realize if you interpret Matt. 27:46 and Mark 15:34 to mean God forsook Christ while on the cross, you make the author of Psalm 22 out to be a liar?

How do you reconcile Psalms 22: 24 “For he has not despised or scorned the suffering of the afflicted one; he has not hidden his face from him but has listened to his cry for help”, with the beginning of the Psalm 22: 1 “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?...” ?

Why did Jesus switch from the Greek to the Hebrew and Aramaic language? (we can discuss the differences in Matt and Mark later but both are not Greek and Matt seems all Hebrew and Mark seems partly Hebrew and Aramaic).

Who is Jesus addressing and why waste His limited precious breath at this time?

Jesus seems to be talking to God before and after this, so if God forsook Christ, who is Christ talking to?

Does God leave us when we are wrongly being torture, humiliated and murdered or can we count on God being with us through anything and everything?

These and many more questions can be answered with an understanding of the style used in writing most of the individual lament of Psalms, how Jesus addresses questions, how the first century Jews knew and quoted Psalms, and who was really needing help at the cross.

1, How did Jesus address questions from satan or those wicked Jewish religious leaders:

Jesus always answered the questions (often not spoken) of the wicked Jewish religious leaders, include the one time he kept silent since saying nothing to obvious false accusations everyone knew was false is the best answer.

The question the Jewish religious leaders just asked Christ while on the cross is not best answered with silence but with Psalm 22.

Jesus is always trying move the individual or group right near to Him up to their person next spiritual level and He does not get real philosophical making broad statement for us directly, but is talking to the audience around Himself and we are just listening in.

Jesus will first use what the person already knows, so He is not always teaching something new, but reminding them of what they already know.

Jesus uses scripture heavily and/or their firsthand knowledge.

2. Who needs to be addressed/answered while Jesus is on the cross?

The question asked just before Jesus makes this statement is: Mark 15: 31 In the same way the chief priests and the teachers of the law mocked him among themselves. “He saved others,” they said, “but he can’t save himself! 32 Let this Messiah, this king of Israel, come down now from the cross, that we may see and believe.” Those crucified with him also heaped insults on him.

Matt. 27: 41 In the same way the chief priests, the teachers of the law and the elders mocked him. 42 “He saved others,” they said, “but he can’t save himself! He’s the king of Israel! Let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him. 43 He trusts in God. Let God rescue him now if he wants him, for he said, ‘I am the Son of God.’”

These are the exact words in Psalms 22: 7 All who see me mock me; they hurl insults, shaking their heads. 8 “He trusts in the Lord,” they say, “let the Lord rescue him. Let him deliver him, since he delights in him.”

The questions of the priests and teachers of the Law are spiteful and mocking, but like other questions by evil people, Jesus will address questions with what they already know and scripture. It will be to help them, but it often shuts them up, also and Psalm 22 would shut them up.

3. What literary style is being used in Psalms 22 that might explain an apparent contrast?

All Jews would be trained in the diatribe writing style, since most individual Psalms Laments are written this way. In Biblical diatribes the author will present an idea as almost a debate with an imaginary adversary, so the adversary’s support for the wrong answer goes first and we will have a list of support for the wrong answer to the question. Thus, it is all woes to begin with and the positive is closer to the end, like you have in Psalms 22. Paul uses the diatribe method heavily in Romans, which might help sell his ideas to the Roman Jewish Christians, who are being somewhat chastised in Romans.

4. Why use Hebrews and quoting the first sentence of Psalms 22?

Jesus has to use “Eli” or “Eloi” and say them twice to quote the first verse of Psalms 22. since it is not “Father” in that verse. Jesus would use “Father” if he was addressing God.

The Psalms were not numbered in the first century and most learned Jews had all the psalms memorized, so they would recognize the first verse to any Psalm. So, if Jesus wanted the Priests and teachers of the Law to remember what Psalm 22 said, all He had to do is quote the first verse.

Jesus using Hebrew would let the Priests and teachers know He was talking to them and would cause them to stop and listen as has happened before.

Bringing the words of Psalms 22 to mind, would stop their mocking and virtually prove He was the Messiah.

God is literally at the elbow of every sinner and he was with Christ all through this ordeal as support.
 
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About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice,

“Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God,

why have you forsaken me?”). Mat 27:46


And at three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice,

“Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God,

why have you forsaken me?”). Mrk 15:34


You do realize if you interpret Matt. 27:46 and Mark 15:34 to mean God forsook Christ while on the cross, you make the author of Psalm 22 out to be a liar?
Learn something new, everyday. Thank you Bling. To paraphrase Daniel, lock these words up and they will be revealed in the last days. It'd take a 2019 audience that know what Internet trolling is to understand Jesus' words on the cross. He was trolling the Pharisees, or better, its kinda like a mic drop. Jesus had just won the battle, but He decided to add insult to injury!
 
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Jesus FELT forsaken by His father. Whether or not He actually was is another matter.
Did you find something questionable in my post 10?
The religious leaders asked Jesus a question, could he have given a better answer than Psalm 22?
 
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Jesus FELT forsaken by His father. Whether or not He actually was is another matter.

He was. Why do you think he was sweating, as it were, "great drops of blood" and He asked the Father to take the cup from Him (if possible)?
 
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David. Who--like Gideon--this was of David's own doing--PART of the time. Part of the time, we was off hiding in a cave, away from Saul--solely because Samuel had anointed him and he slew a giant. David did nothing wrong that time.

- Job. Although I cannot pinpoint an exact verse where Job thinks he has been abandoned by God.
Not just Job, but for David also, where is it written or stated that David "felt abandoned", or better yet "thought he was abandoned" and said so ?

Believers today, as throughout history, have had to "flee", as written: "WHEN they persecute you in one city, FLEE to the next" .... not because God had abandoned them, but because they remained FAITHFUL to JESUS..... yet they are and were often persecuted , "led daily as sheep to the slaughter" for their faith, world wide this happens daily.... just as David (did nothing wrong (to be pursued), so also the followers of JEsus TODAY may do nothing wrong, yet are and will be persecuted/ pursued/ beaten/ arrested/ executed/ jailed) BUT NEVER, no not ever, abandoned by God. (Hebrews 13? ) "I will never, no never, not ever, abandon nor forsake you nor leave you helpless" ....
 
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Jesus FELT forsaken by His father. Whether or not He actually was is another matter.
Whatever Jesus FELT, notice Jesus NEVER followed His FEELINGS/ EMOTIONS.... He ALWAYS OBEYED His Heavenly Father and likewise taught all of His students to do also.
 
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