Beware of wrong teaching

[mont974x4]

Where does it say that doing a soldiers duty kills your soul? Remember, murder and war are two diferent things.


twisted, well said. We need to be careful how we handle things when we are free to choose. We can't force our view on others and we can't look down on or demean those we disagree with.

I am also reminded of the need to be fully convinced.


Jay

 

[marke]

Wisdoms Child writes: "Discern and pass judgement upon that which is wicked."


How many of you know that is simply wrong wrong wrong teaching?


God says Judgement is MINE. Jesus says with what measure you judge another you yourself will be judged for your transgressions, only much harsher. The Apostle Paul says you can judge people within the church, but God is the judge outside the church.


Just because something may sound correct doesn't mean it is correct.


Just like the thread "Where did Jesus give Christians permission to kill". No a single person has been able to support the assertion a Christian can take a human life yet still so many refuse to give up this dangerous fairy tail.


Don't be deceived by personal opinions. We are told to test everything so not to be misled. Find the scripture to support your beliefs and conform yourself to the teachings of Jesus. If someone can't support their assertion with scripture, then it is wrong teaching simple as that.

Wisdoms Child also says: "In the political realm do we simply turn a blind eye to the worldly, or do we when given the opportunity, intervene and use our judgement to discern good from evil and do what is in our ability to stand against wickedness?" and then goes on to quote a bunch of OT scripture.


In Christianity, we follow the teachings of Jesus who brought the new agreement from God into the world and NOTHING says to involve yourself with issues of the world. God is in control. In fact, doing so is the very thing that can destroy your soul.


Don't be misled friends. The enemy of your soul will tell you anything to destroy you. That's why you need to read the New Testament, find the scripture in question and follow the scripture.

If you base your faith on one liners that go against the whole spirit of the teachings, chances are you're going to fall short of the prize.

Take care.


God Bless.

 

[mont974x4]

Marke, look closely at the ideals of discerning and judgement. Do an indepth word study on both.

We are to do this. Not in condemnation, but we are to hold people accountable for their actions in light of the Word. This is why we have church discipline. This is how we guard against wolves in the flock.

This is not judging in the traditional sense that most people think of.

 

[marke]

Speaking of wrong teachings...maybe you should close your mouth. The Bible doesn't say we are to be seperated from the world. We can be involved in the world, just not IN IT. Not married to it. Not having our heart in it.

If you go to a horse race (the world) you can enjoy a great race. If you place a bet (vote) you are now involved and the outcome of the race determines whether you really enjoyed the race or not.

I didn't vote and God's will was done. I'm still happy.

You write: "The Bible doesn't say we are to be separated from the world." Hello? Did you look up the parable of the seeds reference I provided?

Mat 13:22 And that sown into the thorns is this: he who hears the Word; and the anxiety of this world, and the deceit of riches, choke the Word, and he becomes unfruitful.

Then it is repeated in Luke.

You want to involve yourself with the world and risk your soul you go ahead. It's your soul.

God Bless.

 

[mont974x4]

hmmm wouldn't taken Scripture out of context and/or twisiting it to fit your view be a wrong teaching?

tread lightly, brother. Your soul is at stake.

 

[marke]

Where does it say that doing a soldiers duty kills your soul? Remember, murder and war are two diferent things.


twisted, well said. We need to be careful how we handle things when we are free to choose. We can't force our view on others and we can't look down on or demean those we disagree with. That's what faith in Jesus is to free you from.

I am also reminded of the need to be fully convinced.


Jay

Apparently Exo. 20:13 is wrong and so is the concordance in respect to taking another human life. Look it up. Killing a human is killing a human no matter the justification.

Sure you can justify anything, but where anywhere does Jesus give permission to take another human life?

Please before you go on to tell me how wrong I am, please answer the above question. If you can't perhaps it's time to re-evaluate you position.

Why do many seem to think it is OK to become a soldier and to take another human life in direct opposition to the teachings of Christ Jesus and then stand against say a girl making her living as a stripper to feed her children? It's really strange. Shouldn't both be off limits for Christians?

You say: "Where does it say that doing a soldiers duty kills your soul? Remember, murder and war are two diferent things."

Please quote me the scripture that says become a soldier and murder and killing are two different things.

Killing really works with the "Do on to others as you would have them do to you", doesn't it? That's the qualification, if you wouldn't like to be killed or tortured, do you think the other person you are trying to kill would enjoy it? God controls everything. When you time comes, your time comes. Trust Jesus. You don't have to live your life in fear.

God Bless.

 

[mont974x4]

As a soldier I fully accept the ramifications of that decision. I am fully convinced of my beleifs

Keep things in context...was the Law written to individuals or to a givernment. If war is wrong (and please leave the torture issue out if it, none of us advocate that and it is beneath you) then God is wrong, because He Himself has commanded it. I won't apologize or compromise my belief that God is right and just.

As I said, I support the just war ideal and I believe it to be biblical.

As to capital punishment, God Himself, also directed this.


So, I guess we will just agree to disagree. I leave you in peace.


Jay

 

[marke]

As a soldier I fully accept the ramifications of that decision. I am fully convinced of my beleifs

Keep things in context...was the Law written to individuals or to a givernment. If war is wrong (and please leave the torture issue out if it, none of us advocate that and it is beneath you) then God is wrong, because He Himself has commanded it. I won't apologize or compromise my belief that God is right and just.

As I said, I support the just war ideal and I believe it to be biblical.

As to capital punishment, God Himself, also directed this.


So, I guess we will just agree to disagree. I leave you in peace.


Jay

THERE WE GO!!!!

So that is what this is all about. You want to justify your actions so you can kill without remorse. HA!

You should have picked a different profession.

Rather than defend your position which after days and days of being posted and which is looking more and more to be a fairy tale since no one has been able to find ANY scripture to support this belief, own up to the fact that you have chosen to kill against the teachings of Jesus and ask for forgiveness. With what mercy you show to others, you get in return. That's what scripture says. Glad you are against torture.

We are all sinners in one way or another. I have my failings and ask for forgiveness on a moment to moment basis, but the difference is I seek to grow and conform myself to the teachings rather than pollute others souls with my unsubstantiated beliefs.

Enough with the arguing. Truth of scripture doesn't seem to matter. In the middle of the night you would argue it's day light so not to be corrected.

One more thing. You said I took the parable of the seeds out of context. How so? Never mind. I didn't ask that. I know where you are coming from now and I don't want to go there.

May God have mercy on us both.

God Bless.

 

[marke]

As a soldier I fully accept the ramifications of that decision. I am fully convinced of my beleifs

Keep things in context...was the Law written to individuals or to a givernment. If war is wrong (and please leave the torture issue out if it, none of us advocate that and it is beneath you) then God is wrong, because He Himself has commanded it. I won't apologize or compromise my belief that God is right and just.

As I said, I support the just war ideal and I believe it to be biblical.

As to capital punishment, God Himself, also directed this.


So, I guess we will just agree to disagree. I leave you in peace.


Jay

You seem to be lost in the OT which was meant to fade away as it was replaced by a NEW arrangement God made with humanity.

Have you ever noticed? All the killing, rape, incest and ugly things of the OT are not spoken of in the NT.

Come to Jesus. The truth will set you free.

God Bless.

 

[jad123]

You seem to be lost in the OT which was meant to fade away as it was replaced by a NEW arrangement God made with humanity.

Have you ever noticed? All the killing, rape, incest and ugly things of the OT are not spoken of in the NT.

Come to Jesus. The truth will set you free.

God Bless.

Huh. Last time I checked the bible I am reading includes the OT and NT. The OT was not meant to fade away as you put.

 

[Reformationist]

Christians. Your soul is at risk. Joel Hunter is the new President of the "Christian Coalition" and he said he hopes to make the Christian Coalition "more of a grass-roots organization so that we can mobilize every Christian in America to have a political involvement as a part of their normal spiritual growth." This is really deadly wrong teaching according to New Testament scripture and a good reason to ask yourself if the "Christian Right" are leading their followers to Heaven or hell. Jesus gives us clear guidelines on how to discern right from wrong and warns time and time again not to follow blindly. There is a scriptural problem with Christians standing for or against issues of the world in that the dead don’t concern themselves with issues of the world. It’s a matter of self preservation. Correct New Testament scripture says Christians should be dead to the world allowing God to be in control. Yet the accumulators (how you know them), these ministers of misinformation whose unsubstantiated doctrine blows with the wind encourage their followers to do these very things; the very things that Jesus warns will destroy your soul. Example. The parable of the seeds, Matthew 13:22 and repeated again in Luke 8:14, shows the ministers of misinformation are deadly wrong: involvement with the world causes you to lose your salvation. These ministers of error say you can’t lose your salvation and encourage you to vote their way, condemn those they don’t like, seek riches (just like them) and involve yourself in issues of the world. In this parable, Jesus shows this to be flat out wrong teaching. Deadly to your soul even. Read the scripture yourself. Jesus says get out of the world, the "Christian Right" says get more involved. Who are you going to follow?

You poor disillusioned man. The fact that you'd think that anything Joel Hunter, or anyone else, says could overcome the plan and purpose of the Almighty God shows that you have very shallow faith in the sovereignty of God.

I'll pray for you. Hopefully God will release you from this bondage of anthropocentric thinking.

God bless

 

[mont974x4]

Easy there, no where does it say the OT is to fade away. That belief contradicts the nature of Scripture.



There are far too many NT quotes of the OT to justify your thinking on this.

Also, ALL Scripture is necessary.

Now that I know how you feel about the authority and nature of Scripture I will leave you to your own thoughts.

 

[Reformationist]

Easy there, no where does it say the OT is to fade away. That belief contradicts the nature of Scripture.



There are far too many NT quotes of the OT to justify your thinking on this.

Also, ALL Scripture is necessary.

Now that I know how you feel about the authority and nature of Scripture I will leave you to your own thoughts.

You're absolutley right. That type of thinking is the heresy of dispensationalism and has no place in the life of a rational Christian. I encourage you to do as you said and leave that particular poster to their own thoughts.

God bless

 

[Brian1040]

Christians. Your soul is at risk. Joel Hunter is the new President of the "Christian Coalition" and he said he hopes to make the Christian Coalition "more of a grass-roots organization so that we can mobilize every Christian in America to have a political involvement as a part of their normal spiritual growth." This is really deadly wrong teaching according to New Testament scripture and a good reason to ask yourself if the "Christian Right" are leading their followers to Heaven or hell. Jesus gives us clear guidelines on how to discern right from wrong and warns time and time again not to follow blindly. There is a scriptural problem with Christians standing for or against issues of the world in that the dead don’t concern themselves with issues of the world. It’s a matter of self preservation. Correct New Testament scripture says Christians should be dead to the world allowing God to be in control. Yet the accumulators (how you know them), these ministers of misinformation whose unsubstantiated doctrine blows with the wind encourage their followers to do these very things; the very things that Jesus warns will destroy your soul. Example. The parable of the seeds, Matthew 13:22 and repeated again in Luke 8:14, shows the ministers of misinformation are deadly wrong: involvement with the world causes you to lose your salvation. These ministers of error say you can’t lose your salvation and encourage you to vote their way, condemn those they don’t like, seek riches (just like them) and involve yourself in issues of the world. In this parable, Jesus shows this to be flat out wrong teaching. Deadly to your soul even. Read the scripture yourself. Jesus says get out of the world, the "Christian Right" says get more involved. Who are you going to follow?

I have talked to some Christians about there involment in politics on boards like this one, but many see nothing wrong with it, in fact some think its our duty to do so. My advice to you is leave them alone if they refuse to listen, they will find out sooner or later.​

 

[Wisdom's Child]

Wisdoms Child writes: "Discern and pass judgement upon that which is wicked."

How many of you know that is simply wrong wrong wrong teaching?

Hebrews 5:12-14
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

1 Corinthians 6:1-3
Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world?
And if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
Know ye not that we shall judge angels?
How much more things that pertain to this life?

Just because something may sound correct doesn't mean it is correct.

On that point we agree....

Just like the thread "Where did Jesus give Christians permission to kill". No a single person has been able to support the assertion a Christian can take a human life yet still so many refuse to give up this dangerous fairy tail.

Irrelevant to the arguement at hand...
(ref: wiki - Logical Falacies, #3 "No True Scottsman...")
A more than common Faux Pas, made by a person who is debating on shaky grounds.

Don't be deceived by personal opinions. We are told to test everything so not to be misled. Find the scripture to support your beliefs and conform yourself to the teachings of Jesus. If someone can't support their assertion with scripture, then it is wrong teaching simple as that.

...which is what I have done.
I quote scriptures, while you espouse your personal opinions.

Wisdoms Child also says: "In the political realm do we simply turn a blind eye to the worldly, or do we when given the opportunity, intervene and use our judgement to discern good from evil and do what is in our ability to stand against wickedness?" and then goes on to quote a bunch of OT scripture.

In Christianity, we follow the teachings of Jesus...
<snip>

John 5:39-47
<Words of Jesus>
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. I receive not honour from men. But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

 

[Reyanah]

We're in this world not of it but it doesn't mean we stick our heads in the sand and act like everything is just fine either. We are to exercise our kingdom rights and priviledges and bring more of the kingdom to earth in the political force and the work force and in every area we can affect...we don't do that by being blind to their issues that the people of the world live in...including us....we aren't in heaven yet.

 

[Brian1040]

We're in this world not of it but it doesn't mean we stick our heads in the sand and act like everything is just fine either. We are to exercise our kingdom rights and priviledges and bring more of the kingdom to earth in the political force and the work force and in every area we can affect...we don't do that by being blind to their issues that the people of the world live in...including us....we aren't in heaven yet.

We are told in the Bible that Christians are to go about the world preaching the gospel to everyone; nothing in there about joining political parties and making this world a better place. The Bible is very clear on who is the god of this world, and what will happen to it.

 

[mont974x4]

We are told in the Bible that Christians are to go about the world preaching the gospel to everyone; nothing in there about joining political parties and making this world a better place. The Bible is very clear on who is the god of this world, and what will happen to it.

No one said we have to join political parties...and we are most certainly told to make the world a better place..
1. By spreading the Gospel
2. By caring for those in need physically

Nothing limits us from entering politics or any other industry. What we do there is the important issue.

 

[marke]

Easy there, no where does it say the OT is to fade away. That belief contradicts the nature of Scripture.



There are far too many NT quotes of the OT to justify your thinking on this.

Also, ALL Scripture is necessary.

Now that I know how you feel about the authority and nature of Scripture I will leave you to your own thoughts.

You write: "Easy there, no where does it say the OT is to fade away. That belief contradicts the nature of Scripture."

I'm sorry, but scripture begs to correct your assertion again. You might want to review HEB 8 so you can see these quotes are not out of context.

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, by so much He is also the Mediator of a better covenant, which was built upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been without fault, then no place would have been sought for the second.

This says the NT is not an addition to the OT, but indeed a NT making the first void.


This is HEB 8:13 in 24 different versions of the bible. And they all agree. So it is you who is in error.

(ALT) By the saying "new," He has made the first obsolete. Now the one becoming obsolete and growing old [is] on the verge of disappearing.

(ASV) In that he saith, A new covenant he hath made the first old. But that which is becoming old and waxeth aged is nigh unto vanishing away.

(BBE) When he says, A new agreement, he has made the first agreement old. But anything which is getting old and past use will not be seen much longer.

(CEV) When the Lord talks about a new agreement, he means that the first one is out of date. And anything that is old and useless will soon disappear.

(Darby) In that he says New, he has made the first old; but that which grows old and aged is near disappearing.

(DRB) Now in saying a new, he hath made the former old. And that which decayeth and groweth old is near its end.

(EMTV) By the saying "new ," He has made the first obsolete. And the one becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish.

(ESV) In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

(GB) In that he saith a new Testament, he hath abrogate the olde: nowe that which is disanulled and waxed olde, is ready to vanish away.

(GNB) By speaking of a new covenant, God has made the first one old; and anything that becomes old and worn out will soon disappear.

(GW) God made this new promise and showed that the first promise was outdated. What is outdated and aging will soon disappear.

(HCSB) By saying, a new covenant, He has declared that the first is old. And what is old and aging is about to disappear.

(HNV) In that he says, "A new covenant," he has made the first old. But that which is becoming old and grows aged is near to vanishing away.

(ISV) In speaking of a "new" covenant, he has made the first one obsolete, and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

(KJV) In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

(KJV+) In that he saith,3004 A new2537 covenant, he hath made the first old.3822, 3588, 4413 Now1161 that which decayeth3822 and2532 waxeth old1095 is ready to vanish away.1451, 854

(KJVR) In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

(LITV) In the saying, New, He has made the first old. And the thing being made old and growing aged is near disappearing.

(MKJV) In that He says, A new covenant, He has made the first one old. Now that which decays and becomes old is ready to vanish away.

(MSG) By coming up with a new plan, a new covenant between God and his people, God put the old plan on the shelf. And there it stays, gathering dust.

(WEB) In that he says, "A new covenant," he has made the first old. But that which is becoming old and grows aged is near to vanishing away.

(Webster) In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and groweth old is ready to vanish away.

(WNT) By using the words, "a new Covenant," He has made the first one obsolete; but whatever is decaying and showing signs of old age is not far from disappearing altogether.

(YLT) in the saying `new,' He hath made the first old, and what doth become obsolete and is old is nigh disappearing.

You write: "There are far too many NT quotes of the OT to justify your thinking on this".

The OT is meant to bring you to the NT (that's NT scripture too). The NT is a stand alone doctrine. The OT is supporting documentation whose validity is no longer.

But, what I would like to see is your references you mention. The OT is used as supporting documentation in the NT, but maybe you know a passage I don't so please quote the NT scripture to back your assertion.

You say: "Also, ALL Scripture is necessary".

That's not correct either. I came to Jesus from what is known as a "fire bible". These fire bibles were passed out all over the world and do you know what? There was no OT. That's right. NT scripture only is what brings people to Christ, not the OT. In fact, there is NT scripture that says not to read the words of Moses because you'll become blinded to the truth.

You write: "Now that I know how you feel about the authority and nature of Scripture I will leave you to your own thoughts".

Don't do that. The truth will set you free. Faith in wrong teaching is no faith at all. You were unable to back your assertion Christians are allowed to take another human life. You were wrong on your statement above regarding OT and NT and you are wrong about the necessity for all scripture. Strike three.

Don't pull back. Seek the truth in the scripture. I don't seek to ruin your day, but save your soul. I'm providing you with scripture, not opinions. I urge you to test your assumptions against NT scripture. So far, your assumptions haven't held water and as a result you may be following more wrong teaching. It's worth looking into. Your soul is at stake.

God Bless.

 

[marke]

You're absolutley right. That type of thinking is the heresy of dispensationalism and has no place in the life of a rational Christian. I encourage you to do as you said and leave that particular poster to their own thoughts.

God bless

How can he be absolutely right when HEB 8:13 begs to differ? See my other post with scripture.

You write: "That type of thinking is the heresy of dispensationalism". From what I know about dispensationalism, I'm not a big fan of it, but I think you have the concept confused. It's the dispensationalists who cling to the OT, not me.

God Bless.