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Dear Lady: The entire groaning creation will join the groaning redeemed with grateful sobs of Holy>>>>Holy>>>>Holy.
The whole of created life SHALL BE delivered
Amen to that!Ain't universalism great. The scriptures just keep yielding up one pearl after another, and lighting our path on the correct usage of terms like death, judgment and punishment. The damnationists hang on stubbornly to their carnal interpretations, but what good is a brick to a drowning man? The spirit gives life!
Not what the bible teaches.
Not what the bible teaches.
I think this is the reference on that. (emphasis mine)That is precisely what the Bible teaches!
“Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, To the praise of the glory of His grace , wherein He has made us accepted in the beloved. In whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace ; Wherein He has abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; Having made known unto us the mystery of His will , according to His good pleasure which He has purposed in Himself :That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of Him who works all things after the counsel of His own will .”
Amen to that!
I just found a link to this entire Forgotten Gospel Conference. The first video about the Gospel in Chairs is amazing. As are several other sessions that I have already viewed.
Brad Jersak - The Gospel in Chairs - Session 1 (FGC 2016)
Credits: Forgotten Gospel Conference - www.theforgottengospel.com
Brad Jersak is an author and teacher based in Abbotsford, BC, where he attends Fresh Wind Christian Fellowship and serves as Reader at All Saints of North America Monastery. His heart is to share the good news that God is Love and that God’s love was shown to us perfectly in Jesus of Nazareth. Through his books and seminars, Brad teaches that anyone can learn to hear God’s voice through the simple practice of ”listening prayer.” Those who practice listening prayer find that God’s love heals wounded hearts and empowers them to heal this broken world.
Brad Jersak’s foundational book, “Can You Hear Me? Tuning in to the God who speaks” trains readers in the ways of “Listening Prayer.” This book provides biblical teaching and 33 practical exercises for tuning in to God’s voice.
<SM>Ain't universalism great. The scriptures just keep yielding up one pearl after another, and lighting our path on the correct usage of terms like death, judgment and punishment. The damnationists hang on stubbornly to their carnal interpretations, but what good is a brick to a drowning man? The spirit gives life!<SM>
The false hope of universalism and its proponents keep posting their out-of-context proof texts and adamantly ignoring the rest of the Bible.
YOU ARE NOT EVEN SEEING WHAT THE VERSES SAY!
In the world of the internet forum, the above is known as a sidestep, and in this case as usual, what I brought up was not dealt with. I don't suppose I would do any better if I did find the verses you keep demanding.
I think this is the reference on that. (emphasis mine)
Ephesians 1:5-10
he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace 8 that he lavished on us. With all wisdom and understanding, 9 he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, 10 to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment—to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ.
But what you do not have is even one verse, 2 or more would be better, where God, Himself, or Jesus Himself, states unequivocally that they will "bring to unity all things in heaven and earth, including the unrighteous even if they died in sin." or words to that effect?I think this is the reference on that. (emphasis mine)
Ephesians 1:5-10
he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace 8 that he lavished on us. With all wisdom and understanding, 9 he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, 10 to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment—to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ.
I think we can understand " who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe" to mean that though His saving grace is sufficient, it isn't applied to unbelievers.If the unsaved are ash and remain so forever, then how can this be: "For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe." I Timothy 4:10, KJV
Your "The wicked are ashes!" and I Timothy 4:10 cannot both be true, and I Timothy 4:10 is true.
How do you propose to get around the verse I quoted? Since they actually agree, how do you now propose to get around Revelation 21:24?
I think we can understand " who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe" to mean that though His saving grace is sufficient, it isn't applied to unbelievers.
LOL, let's just say for the moment I'm simmering instead of boiling.Have you read Augustine's justifications of eternal punishment in City of God XXI? When Augustine is on fire, you know about it. Let's just say he was having a tepid yogurt week there.
May I also suggest it's not about head knowledge, but true knowledge that comes through faith, hope and love. Everyone wants Jesus to draw them a diagram lol. Well it is there in scripture, but we needs get to it through faith, and not of our own.
Are you going to be lukewarm about it man? Come on, start by hoping for the salvation of all, see where it takes you as you walk around or read scripture.
Right. I'm not denying He is the Saviour of all mankind,Dear Rick: God is NOT a potential Saviour of all mankind, He IS Saviour. His love & grace indeed are sufficient, it is applied to ALL mankind, the malista and the pas.
Every knee, every tongue, every dimension bowing IN the Name in worship
Oops! You universalized the pronouns ( I show them in red).That is precisely what the Bible teaches!
“Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, To the praise of the glory of His grace , wherein He has made us accepted in the beloved. In whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace ; Wherein He has abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; Having made known unto us the mystery of His will , according to His good pleasure which He has purposed in Himself :That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of Him who works all things after the counsel of His own will .”
Right. I'm not denying He is the Saviour of all mankind,
I'm trying to reconcile that with the reality of His role as King and therefore His commitment to justice.
C'mon, you gonna be 'lukewarm' about God's justice? ( I can parry your thrust. Get to the point of resolution, man! lol or we can use poker: I see your lukewarm and raise you a "lawless".)
Oops! You universalized the pronouns ( I show them in red).
Meaning you have violated the context which defines who "we" & "us" are.
You find that out by finding out who this epistle was written to - the intended audience - which is NOT the "universal we" . So let's take a look:
"[1] Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:"
I am not arguing that this totally disproves Universalism, just making a specific point about this passage, thanks for understanding.
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