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There is a saying I have heard many times that says "look for the tail".
Both are sayings, yours is more common. The one I mentioned comes from Marian Apparitions. There are a bunch of demonic ones ( I'll leave it at that) and the "look for the tail" comes from that. It comes from an idea that an evil Spirit can take any form but it can't do it completely and so leaves a bit of itself hanging out so to speak. Not necessarily a tail but a peculiarity of one sort or another.I believe that's, "look for the tell." The tell is the non-verbal communication that someone gives you through their behavior, unconsciously, when they're lying to you with their words.
You have deliberately misquoted the Scripture deceptively because the rest of the reference describes a false messiah and false prophet but you have left them out because it doesn't suit your purpose. You either don't know the Scriputres or you are being deliberately deceptive in your misuse of Scripture.
It might be worth you reading Galatians chapter 1Let me add this thought and stir the pot a little more. Most every person , preacher, teacher , CHURCH DENOMINATION, who teaches , preaches or shares their views may have a little false doctrine in their belief system. Does that mean they are of the devil? NO! Why do we have so many differing doctrines? Are 99% wrong and only 1 has it right? I doubt it.
My opinion is God is looking for faithful people He can use , it may take Him some time to get all of our doctrine straightened out. That comes with study , prayer and time. One doesn’t get born again with a doctrinal perfection degree in hand . Some think they have it when they don’t.
It is human nature to not believe what you don’t understand. You wouldn’t believe what some so called brothers in Christ have said to me about my bodily healing. It’s sad sometimes how narrow minded some believers can be. Everyone knows it all and can point out the flaws in everyone’s doctrine, especially on a forum such as this.
Just food for thought!
People often tend to favor fooling themselves, if in so doing they can earn status and wealth. At best there's an uncomfortable mix of deception and faith at work with Mr Hinn in my opinion. In any case, born again or not, we're called to love him.I have copied this thread from another forum to give a more general group of people from different denominations the opportunity to respond without getting themselves into trouble. I would appreciate if people didn't aim comments at me personally, but to comment on the issues instead. Then we can have a good, even if very spirited discussion for and against what I might be implying. Here is the post I entered in the other forum:
I know that there have been threads on this topic before and there has been quite a range of views, some very supportive, and others fairly harsh and unloving toward him.
The first question to be asked - Is he a born again Christian brother? If he is, then we have to love him as Christ loves us, because if we cannot love him like that, we know really know God at all, because God is pure love.
The next question I have is, does he preach the Lordship of Christ, the need to receive Christ as Saviour, the need to repent, and the necessity of living a holy life before God? If so, he cannot be a false preacher or teacher, because he is teaching the fundamentals of the Christian faith.
The next question is: are the manifestations of falling over in the Spirit and other manifestation associated with his ministry true or false? Well, if he is preaching truth as I have defined above, there is a good indication that the manifestations are true also.
Do we all agree with what he does and how he does it? No, and this is quite normal because we all have different perspectives and callings. We all do things differently, but because there is a diversity of gifts, callings and methods, that doesn't mean that just because we disagree, that it is actually false and not of God.
A false teacher or preacher is not a genuine born again believer in Christ. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He does not promote the Lordship of Christ, quite the opposite, he will promote New Age self dependence, and say that Number One is the most important person to be considered (by that I mean self, and self improvement). He will also promote liberalism in that it is not necessary to live a holy life, because Jesus forgave all sin, so it won't matter if we keep sinning. We won't be subject to any consequences if we sleep around, get involved in the occult, consult fortune tellers, because psychics can guide people just as well as the Holy Spirit. This is how the New Testament defines a false prophet, teacher, or preacher.
Just because a Charismatic preacher has unusual manifestations in his meetings and whole groups of people are slain in the Spirit, it doesn't mean that he is a false teacher. Actually, God is not very concerned about manifestations unless they are so out of control that they promote riotous living and lawlessness and a lack of self-control in people's daily living.
I just thought I would chuck that into the pot and see what boils up.
Can I ask where you get this theology from? And verses to support it?This emphasis I wish to place with that scripture is that the evil spirit was seemingly in a place of assisting the work of salvation. Paul did not cast it out at first but did so later. Not all Spirits are against salvation per say, many are more interested in their own personal issues and desires and will ride the church like a parasite even if some are turned to the Lord. These are very dangerous because they are so hard to see.
I have copied this thread from another forum to give a more general group of people from different denominations the opportunity to respond without getting themselves into trouble. I would appreciate if people didn't aim comments at me personally, but to comment on the issues instead. Then we can have a good, even if very spirited discussion for and against what I might be implying. Here is the post I entered in the other forum:
I know that there have been threads on this topic before and there has been quite a range of views, some very supportive, and others fairly harsh and unloving toward him.
The first question to be asked - Is he a born again Christian brother? If he is, then we have to love him as Christ loves us, because if we cannot love him like that, we know really know God at all, because God is pure love.
The next question I have is, does he preach the Lordship of Christ, the need to receive Christ as Saviour, the need to repent, and the necessity of living a holy life before God? If so, he cannot be a false preacher or teacher, because he is teaching the fundamentals of the Christian faith.
The next question is: are the manifestations of falling over in the Spirit and other manifestation associated with his ministry true or false? Well, if he is preaching truth as I have defined above, there is a good indication that the manifestations are true also.
Do we all agree with what he does and how he does it? No, and this is quite normal because we all have different perspectives and callings. We all do things differently, but because there is a diversity of gifts, callings and methods, that doesn't mean that just because we disagree, that it is actually false and not of God.
A false teacher or preacher is not a genuine born again believer in Christ. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He does not promote the Lordship of Christ, quite the opposite, he will promote New Age self dependence, and say that Number One is the most important person to be considered (by that I mean self, and self improvement). He will also promote liberalism in that it is not necessary to live a holy life, because Jesus forgave all sin, so it won't matter if we keep sinning. We won't be subject to any consequences if we sleep around, get involved in the occult, consult fortune tellers, because psychics can guide people just as well as the Holy Spirit. This is how the New Testament defines a false prophet, teacher, or preacher.
Just because a Charismatic preacher has unusual manifestations in his meetings and whole groups of people are slain in the Spirit, it doesn't mean that he is a false teacher. Actually, God is not very concerned about manifestations unless they are so out of control that they promote riotous living and lawlessness and a lack of self-control in people's daily living.
I just thought I would chuck that into the pot and see what boils up.
Hi
I think there's more to this than simply manifestations, he's preached false doctrine in the past - including that the Trinity has 9 persons in it! That for me is all I needed to know.
The first question to be asked - Is he a born again Christian brother?
If he is, then we have to love him as Christ loves us, because if we cannot love him like that, we know really know God at all, because God is pure love.
The next question I have is, does he preach the Lordship of Christ, the need to receive Christ as Saviour, the need to repent, and the necessity of living a holy life before God?
If so, he cannot be a false preacher or teacher, because he is teaching the fundamentals of the Christian faith.
The next question is: are the manifestations of falling over in the Spirit and other manifestation associated with his ministry true or false? Well, if he is preaching truth as I have defined above, there is a good indication that the manifestations are true also.
Do we all agree with what he does and how he does it? No, and this is quite normal because we all have different perspectives and callings. We all do things differently, but because there is a diversity of gifts, callings and methods, that doesn't mean that just because we disagree, that it is actually false and not of God.
This is how the New Testament defines a false prophet, teacher, or preacher.
Just because a Charismatic preacher has unusual manifestations in his meetings and whole groups of people are slain in the Spirit, it doesn't mean that he is a false teacher.
Actually, God is not very concerned about manifestations unless they are so out of control that they promote riotous living and lawlessness and a lack of self-control in people's daily living.
I will answer your request of DW
That is bifurcated perfectly. However evil spirits are under their own point of suffering and others get something out of worship. From this very scripture it seems clear that they are willing to ride along with the church, doing things which would logically lead some to salvation to acquire their individual desires.Can I ask where you get this theology from? And verses to support it?
As far as I know, there are angels/spirits of God and angels/spirits against God.
Whatever other classification you think there is, I see no Biblical proof. Is this only opinion?
He doesn't appear to be.
Satan preaches the lordship of Christ. It's the perfect foundation for his cause. If you really don't believe the false prophet/the beast will be teaching just that? I assure you, he will.
I asked for Biblical support & verses.That is bifurcated perfectly. However evil spirits are under their point of suffering and others get something out of worship. From this very scripture it seems clear that they are willing to ride along with the church, doing things which would logically lead some to salvation to aqcuire their individual desires.
Great point!Where?
1 Corinthians 12:3
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
When did Satan get filled with the Spirit?
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