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Well, according to Hendrik H. Hanegraaff, I'm not saved either, but I'm not the greatest fan of him. I listened to a show where someone prophecied against HH, then phoned and said he was wrong to do that, and he publically repented. HH seemed to think that it showed the man was a false prophet, and only part of the talk was played for weeks and weeks.ischus said:I don't think he sends his followers to hell, but here are a couple places to start if you want to know his doctrine/theology.
http://christiansaware.faithweb.com/Hinn_book_review1.htm
http://www.cultlink.com/sentinel/hinnqs.htm
brettnolan said:Forgive the slightly misleading title...
I don't really want to slam Hinn, that's been done to death. I have a legitimate (I think) question concerning his followers. Do you think his "congregation" is saved or are they in big trouble?
The reason I ask is because I think, as do a lot of others, that HE is a fruitcake. But if his followers believe in Jesus and the resurrection and proclaim Him as their Lord and Savior and follow His Word would they not be saved? Even if they are so naive and gullible as to believe Hinn's "wonders?"
Svt4Him said:Well, according to Hendrik H. Hanegraaff, I'm not saved either, but I'm not the greatest fan of him.
Under_His_Shadow said:I have seen his (television) ministry from time to time over a period of many years now, and have no doubt that he is a brother in Christ who loves Jesus wholeheartedly, and is being used by God as a channel through which many are healed physically and also led to salvation in Christ, despite his having a hair style, clothes, or mannerisms which some of us would not ourselves prefer! ]
I suggest that when we see things in another brother that we are concerned about, we confront him about it in person, or that being impractical, through telephone, letter, or e-mail, and above all take it to God in prayer regarding his needed (according to our opinion) correction and restoration, in the spirit of meekness, considering our own imperfection and vulnerability to sin (Gal. 6:1).
Benny Hinn doesn't need me or anyone else to validate his ministry; "Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own Master [Christ] he stands or falls" (Rom. 14:4),
so I think we need to adopt Gamaliel's wisdom and realize that "if this...work is of men, it will come to nothing; but if it is of God you cannot overthrow it" (Acts 5:38-39),
As Jesus said. "there is no one who will perform a miracle in My name, and be able soon afterward to speak evil of Me. For he who is not against us is for us" (Mk. 9:39).
Remember, though, that Jesus was referring to factions among His followers, not to false teachers.
flesh99 said:We are all saved in spite of what we are taught,
I see so many people get all high and mighty running down WoF and other Evangelists, being 100% sure that they are in the wrong and speaking as such. All the while they are critisizing men and women who are teaching the name of Jesus to more people than most of us will ever even meet.
if I am wrong and Hinn does have things right I certainly don't want to stand before God and have to account for my words if I were to speak out like I see some people do around here.
12volt_man said:So then, when the Bible talks about people who aren't saved, it's lying?
Can you please explain to us where scripture tells us that false teachers are exempt from scrutiny just because they preach to a lot of people?
Honestly, if I thought that I were wrong about Hinn, then I would much rather stand before God knowing that I had followed His word, even if I were misguided, than standing before Him knowing I had ignored His word.
flesh99 said:God is the only judge of salvation, that does not rest with you or me.
False in your opinion
You would not be ignoring his word to not say anything.
12volt_man said:But you've already made a judgement. You've already declared everyone saved.
No, false in the Bible's opinion.
Actually, I would since the Bible tells us that we are to stand up for sound doctrine.
flesh99 said:Where did I say everyone is saved? I stated very clearly and you quoted it, that God is the only judge of salvation. That is by no means even close to universalism, which you are accusing of. Where do you get that from what I said?
No, in your intrepetation of scripture, in many people's reading Hinn is not teaching anything false.
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Under_His_Shadow said:don't any of you dare speak evil of that man. He is a son and servant of the God of abraham, isaac, and jacob. he is doing the work of the lord and being a faithful servant, more than probably any of you religious people. he preaches the truth and the truth shall make you free! by his stripes we are healed. of course the media is gonna say he is a fake, they think we are all fake. "he who blesses you I will bless, he who curses you I will curse". that is a promise of our covenant with Jehova, don't you dare break it... for your sake!I may be wrong, but I don't think Benny Hinn actually pastor's a "congregation" any longer. Even if he still does, salvation is an individual matter, of people receiving Christ one at a time. Entire congregations are not saved in one fell swoop, en-masse. Even in most evangelical congregations, no doubt there are some unsaved people attending fairly regularly.
I have seen his (television) ministry from time to time over a period of many years now, and have no doubt that he is a brother in Christ who loves Jesus wholeheartedly, and is being used by God as a channel through which many are healed physically and also led to salvation in Christ, despite his having a hair style, clothes, or mannerisms which some of us would not ourselves prefer! I have never heard him claim that he was doing any "wonders" or healings by his own power or righteousness, but to the contrary, have always observed him being diligent to give God the praise and glory for any healings.
I don't personally agree with some of his teachings that I have heard, but he does lift up Jesus Christ as the Way to salvation, the Truth regarding that Way, and the Life/power of the Holy Spirit who heals us and gives us that new Life!
I certainly would not base my opinion of any high-profile Christian on what I heard and saw on "20-20" or any other secular media's "documentary" or "expose".
I know it grieves my spirit, and so am sure it must grieve the Holy Spirit even more, to hear those of us who call ourselves Christians belittling, name-calling, and mocking another brother in the Lord! Satan is "the accuser of our brethren" (Rev. 12:10), and when we slander another believer, we actually are siding with the devil.
I suggest that when we see things in another brother that we are concerned about, we confront him about it in person, or that being impractical, through telephone, letter, or e-mail, and above all take it to God in prayer regarding his needed (according to our opinion) correction and restoration, in the spirit of meekness, considering our own imperfection and vulnerability to sin (Gal. 6:1).
Benny Hinn doesn't need me or anyone else to validate his ministry; "Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own Master [Christ] he stands or falls" (Rom. 14:4), so I think we need to adopt Gamaliel's wisdom and realize that "if this...work is of men, it will come to nothing; but if it is of God you cannot overthrow it" (Acts 5:38-39), lest like James and John, we desire to "command fire to come down from heaven and consume" Benny, only to have Jesus say to us, "You do not know what manner of spirit you are of" (Lk. 9: 54:55).
As Jesus said. "there is no one who will perform a miracle in My name, and be able soon afterward to speak evil of Me. For he who is not against us is for us" (Mk. 9:39).
U.H.S.
12volt_man said:Your exact words:
We are all saved in spite of what we are taught
No, not just in my interpretation of scripture.
Scripture is clear that Christ purchased the atonement on the cross, not in Hell.
There is not one verse or passage of scripture or one creed or affirmation of historic, orthodox Christianity that suggests otherwise.
Romans 16:17, 1 Tim 4:13, 2 Tim 4:2 for starters.
flesh99 said:And Benny Hinn cites scripture to back his claims as well, so it is a case of he said, he said. You can quote scripture all day long and still be wrong look at the Christian Identity movement for a good example. Hinn may be wrong, but you certainly maybe as well.
12volt_man said:I may be but if I am, then the whole of historic, orthodox Christianity is wrong right along with me. If I'm wrong, then Paul is wrong, too.
flesh99 said:What you said:
What you meant:
I may be but if I am, then the whole of historic, orthodox Christianity, as I understand it, is wrong right along with me. If I'm wrong, then my understanding of Paul is wrong, too
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