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Benny Hinn bashers only please...

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I think Counterfeit Revival by Hank Hannegraff might be a good read for people who are investigating or just interested in this type of movement. It discusses Hinn, Brownsville Revival, Toronto Airport Blessing and so on. It may ruffle some feathers, but at least he uses referenced material for his opinions.

I only mention this for people who would like some concrete diagnoses to the 'healed' people. If you know of Hank and don't like him, that's fine. I just bought it as a piece of reference more than anything else.
 
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ischus said:
I don't think he sends his followers to hell, but here are a couple places to start if you want to know his doctrine/theology.

http://christiansaware.faithweb.com/Hinn_book_review1.htm

http://www.cultlink.com/sentinel/hinnqs.htm
Well, according to Hendrik H. Hanegraaff, I'm not saved either, but I'm not the greatest fan of him. I listened to a show where someone prophecied against HH, then phoned and said he was wrong to do that, and he publically repented. HH seemed to think that it showed the man was a false prophet, and only part of the talk was played for weeks and weeks.

As for Benny Hinn, we seem to want to add more to salvation than God does. I think Benny Hinn loves God, gives Jesus all the glory. Maybe he has some doctrinal issues, but if anyone thinks they are 100% correct in their doctrine, they have different issues.
 
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I don't know if they're saved or not but, if they are, they're save in spite of his teaching, not because of it.
 
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We are all saved in spite of what we are taught, there is not one minister that teaches 100% correct doctrine. Arminianist's think Calvinist's pervert atonement and vice versa. Judging Hinn is just silly to be quite honest. I see so many people get all high and mighty running down WoF and other Evangelists, being 100% sure that they are in the wrong and speaking as such. All the while they are critisizing men and women who are teaching the name of Jesus to more people than most of us will ever even meet. Do I think Hinn has some doctrinal errors, sure I do, would I be able to find anyone who doesn't? No! I will reserve judgement for God and not speak out against men who are teaching Christ and Him ressurected to millions, if I am wrong and Hinn does have things right I certainly don't want to stand before God and have to account for my words if I were to speak out like I see some people do around here.
 
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I think you're confusing this with the Bible's admonitions about handling someone in the church who is in sin and settling a personal dispute.

Remember that the Bible tells us that teachers are held to a higher standard and that there are several instances of false teachers being called out publically.

Benny Hinn doesn't need me or anyone else to validate his ministry; "Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own Master [Christ] he stands or falls" (Rom. 14:4),

You need to go back and read this passage again in it's proper context. If you do, you'll see that it's about condemning weaker brothers in Christ over what Paul calls "disputable matters", not confronting false teachers.

so I think we need to adopt Gamaliel's wisdom and realize that "if this...work is of men, it will come to nothing; but if it is of God you cannot overthrow it" (Acts 5:38-39),

Unfortunately, the Bible doesn't give us that option. It tells us to mark false teachers as anathema and have nothing to do with them. In addition, it gives us a responsibility to stand up and speak out against false teachers.

 
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flesh99 said:
We are all saved in spite of what we are taught,

So then, when the Bible talks about people who aren't saved, it's lying?


Can you please explain to us where scripture tells us that false teachers are exempt from scrutiny just because they preach to a lot of people?

if I am wrong and Hinn does have things right I certainly don't want to stand before God and have to account for my words if I were to speak out like I see some people do around here.

Honestly, if I thought that I were wrong about Hinn, then I would much rather stand before God knowing that I had followed His word, even if I were misguided, than standing before Him knowing I had ignored His word.
 
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12volt_man said:
So then, when the Bible talks about people who aren't saved, it's lying?

God is the only judge of salvation, that does not rest with you or me.

Can you please explain to us where scripture tells us that false teachers are exempt from scrutiny just because they preach to a lot of people?

False in your opinion

Honestly, if I thought that I were wrong about Hinn, then I would much rather stand before God knowing that I had followed His word, even if I were misguided, than standing before Him knowing I had ignored His word.

You would not be ignoring his word to not say anything.
 
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flesh99 said:
God is the only judge of salvation, that does not rest with you or me.

But you've already made a judgement. You've already declared everyone saved.

False in your opinion

No, false in the Bible's opinion.

You would not be ignoring his word to not say anything.

Actually, I would since the Bible tells us that we are to stand up for sound doctrine.
 
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12volt_man said:
But you've already made a judgement. You've already declared everyone saved.

Where did I say everyone is saved? I stated very clearly and you quoted it, that God is the only judge of salvation. That is by no means even close to universalism, which you are accusing of. Where do you get that from what I said?

No, false in the Bible's opinion.

No, in your intrepetation of scripture, in many people's reading Hinn is not teaching anything false.

Actually, I would since the Bible tells us that we are to stand up for sound doctrine.

Cite this.
 
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flesh99 said:
Where did I say everyone is saved? I stated very clearly and you quoted it, that God is the only judge of salvation. That is by no means even close to universalism, which you are accusing of. Where do you get that from what I said?

Your exact words:

We are all saved in spite of what we are taught

No, in your intrepetation of scripture, in many people's reading Hinn is not teaching anything false.

No, not just in my interpretation of scripture.

Scripture is clear that Christ purchased the atonement on the cross, not in Hell.

There is not one verse or passage of scripture or one creed or affirmation of historic, orthodox Christianity that suggests otherwise.

Cite this.

Romans 16:17, 1 Tim 4:13, 2 Tim 4:2 for starters.
 
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***** MOD HAT ON *****

You might have noticed that I have edited a lot of posts in this thread. Please keep in mind that while Benny Hinn is controversial that Rule #2 still applies to him and his followers:


I will be keeping on eye on this thread, lets stay on topic and keep trashing our brothers and sisters in Christ!

***** MOD HAT OFF *****
 
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12volt_man said:
Your exact words:

We are all saved in spite of what we are taught

Let me clarify then, all of us who are saved are saved in spite of what we are taught, is that better? Since this is a Christians Only area then all of US are considered saved, I didn't think I needed to clarify that.


And Benny Hinn cites scripture to back his claims as well, so it is a case of he said, he said. You can quote scripture all day long and still be wrong look at the Christian Identity movement for a good example. Hinn may be wrong, but you certainly maybe as well. Beam, mote, eyc anyone?
 
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I may be but if I am, then the whole of historic, orthodox Christianity is wrong right along with me. If I'm wrong, then Paul is wrong, too.
 
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What you said:
12volt_man said:
I may be but if I am, then the whole of historic, orthodox Christianity is wrong right along with me. If I'm wrong, then Paul is wrong, too.

What you meant:

I may be but if I am, then the whole of historic, orthodox Christianity, as I understand it, is wrong right along with me. If I'm wrong, then my understanding of Paul is wrong, too
 
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flesh99 said:
What you said:


What you meant:

I may be but if I am, then the whole of historic, orthodox Christianity, as I understand it, is wrong right along with me. If I'm wrong, then my understanding of Paul is wrong, too

Actually, that's not what I meant. What I said was what I meant.

I'm praying for you.
 
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