BENEFITS OF PRAYING IN TONGUES

[katylees]

thanx for that 'he put me back together'

-katyxx

 

[hal]

Greetings! I have experience seeing someone delivered from an evil spirit and someone healed when all I did was pray in tongues.

 

[katylees]

wow that sounds really cool

 

[Lee]

Greetings! I have experience seeing someone delivered from an evil spirit and someone healed when all I did was pray in tongues.

Yea? Can you share more on your experience, Hal? I am interested in this.

 

[He put me back together]

Agreed. Most charismatics believe the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a subsequent experience for the Christian. But the 2 events can take place simultaneously, as in Cornelius' case.



I have to disagree here. Those in the upper room were "tarrying" precisely becos Jesus told them to wait until the Spirit was poured out into the earth (a one-time event yet to happen). Now, this has already happened.

The Spirit HAS already been poured out. He is on the earth now. So there is no need for the Christian to wait for days or even months or years. That was the old Pentecostal belief -- waiting, tarrying, seeking, beggin, crying, repenting, trying to become holy enough to receive -- etc.

The WOF movt now knows that's not necessarcy becos He's already been given. We just have to receive by faith. Notice too in Acts, the other new believers never had to wait or seek to be Spirit baptised. It happened immediately when hands were laid.

Actually, I think every Pentecostal or Charismatic group I've run with has believed that people can and have in fact believed and recieved the Spirit in the same night, same minute, second, or whatever time quantum we wish to choose. BUT, as we agree, we cannot read the Book of Acts and then conclude that they are the same event--possibly, neither that they occur in the same instant, which is not a measure of time, but rather an indivisible, dimensionless point dividing yes and no. (for all the Calculas buffs, an instant is the limit as t goes to 0 from the positive side ) In Acts, some people recieved the Spirit in the same sitting that they believed, and some took days. Those in the upper room were no different; we know from reading chapter 8 that tarrying was not a special case just for them. So don't misunderstand me--I didn't say that it always takes days, years, or even hours--I just said that they are two separate events, and to say that they are the same is not only unbiblical, but dangerous. Again, the Spirit is NOT recieved when the believer decides that he has come, but when he actually does come. If we go on our own whims, we open ourselves to Bondage. Why not let the Spirit lead us, instead of trying to lead him?

As for recieving the Spirit, the baptism, and the filling being different, I refer to the scriptures. Where do the scriptures say that they are different? In Acts 8, recieved is the word used, not baptised, as it is in Acts 19. Where do gift, filling, baptism, and recieving differ in what they describe?

Blessings

 

[look]

Again, the Spirit is NOT recieved when the believer decides that he has come, but when he actually does come.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the being sealed with the Holy Spirit at the new birth is not the same as the being Baptizied (full immersion into) in the Holy Spirit...

 

[Bic]

This is such an interesting subject. I grew up with not much religious training but what I did have was different than what I am now.
The first time I heard people speaking in tongues I was frightened and wanted to run from the church s fast as I could. I did not understand it at all. I was not saved at the time but I was searching and a friend recommended this church to me. I turned around and asked him what those people were saying and he told me that he could not interpret it but took me up front to a woman who could explain it to me. She asked me if I was saved and I told her that I had said the prayer many times but it never took. She then took me through the sinners prayer and when it came to the part about forgiving myself (not others) I had trouble and starting backing away. She told me not to give up now and when I finally felt I could forgive myself it felt like the weight of the world was lifted off me. It took me a long time to get the gift of tongues and I will explain the will (His or mine) to pray that way like this. Last week I woke up praying in toques. I didn't know who I was praying for but I knew it was not me. I was feeling great pain and anguish. The next day I found out that a friend from church's son was found dead in his car after three weeks of being missing. I firmly believe that the Holy Spirit gives us the utterance. I give all the glory to God and Thank Him for everything.
Sorry this was so long but it has special meaning for me.
Blessings, Bic

 

[wonder111]

This is such an interesting subject. I grew up with not much religious training but what I did have was different than what I am now.
The first time I heard people speaking in tongues I was frightened and wanted to run from the church s fast as I could. I did not understand it at all. I was not saved at the time but I was searching and a friend recommended this church to me. I turned around and asked him what those people were saying and he told me that he could not interpret it but took me up front to a woman who could explain it to me. She asked me if I was saved and I told her that I had said the prayer many times but it never took. She then took me through the sinners prayer and when it came to the part about forgiving myself (not others) I had trouble and starting backing away. She told me not to give up now and when I finally felt I could forgive myself it felt like the weight of the world was lifted off me. It took me a long time to get the gift of tongues and I will explain the will (His or mine) to pray that way like this. Last week I woke up praying in toques. I didn't know who I was praying for but I knew it was not me. I was feeling great pain and anguish. The next day I found out that a friend from church's son was found dead in his car after three weeks of being missing. I firmly believe that the Holy Spirit gives us the utterance. I give all the glory to God and Thank Him for everything.
Sorry this was so long but it has special meaning for me.
Blessings, Bic

that's Amazing!

 

[He put me back together]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the being sealed with the Holy Spirit at the new birth is not the same as the being Baptizied (full immersion into) in the Holy Spirit...

Actually, when we look at the words that the SCRIPTURES use (well, what the translations of the scriptures use), we see "Belief," and even "recieving the word," and THEN "recieving the Holy Spirit" is that second event, these words being exchanged equally with "baptism in the Holy Spirit." The scriptures simply do not say "they recieved the Holy Spirit, then they were baptised in the Holy Spirit." Recieving the Holy Spirit and believing are not the same event, but baptism in the Holy Spirit and recieving the Holy Spirit, apparently from reading the words that the scriptures use, are the same. Now, which one of these is the new birth? That's a new can of worms. But as far as what we can be CERTAIN about, the scriptures use "belief" for those who have believed the gospel but have not been baptised with the Holy Spirit and fire, and "recieved the Holy Spirit," synonomously with "Baptised in the Holy Spirit," for their own. Refer to the scriptures I've previously mentioned. As for new Birth, try reading 1 John 3 concerning those "born of God" and see how it relates to the beliefs of those of us who believe in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit (as a separate event from belief, and including the gifts of the Spirit as well as the fruits).

 

[Lee]

Greetings! I have experience seeing someone delivered from an evil spirit and someone healed when all I did was pray in tongues.

Yea? Can you share more on your experience, Hal? I am interested in this.

 

[He put me back together]

hey guys...please allow me to correct a little mistake I made previously. Being baptised in the Spirit and recieving the Spirit, Biblically, are interchangable. But being "filled" with the Spirit doesn't always refer to a believer's baptism or recieving the Spirit. (ie, when the Spirit comes in) I got a little ahead of myself there. At times it could be argued to be synonomous with the other two phrases, but at other times it seems to refer to when the Holy Spirit is actively moving on a person, ie, speaking through him, or whatever else the Spirit wishes to do at the time. To keep this from becoming another long dribble, I'll just throw a heap of numbers on you guys and you can chew on it yourself if you wish:

A couple of places where "filled with the Holy Spirit" could be synonomous with "recieving the Spirit": Acts 2:4, 9:17. Maybe not 2:4...

Now, a few places where it's almost certainly not synonomous: Acts 4:8, 4:31 (maybe), 13:52

Well, that wasn't so bad...it didn't end up looking like an argument from the Church of Christ after all What do you guys think?

 

[Anthony]

There is a prayer language between us and God and there is an unknown tongue that is for the building up of the body of believers. The latter is not at my will but by the will and timeing of the Holy Spirit.

A prayer language is not made up by "us". It is given by the Holy Spirit for all of the things listed above in the other posts?

The Spirit is always willing to make intercession for us, therefore, this prayer language can be used at any time in any place in any situation. . .at my will. If I choose not to use it, then I am denying myself the help that the Holy Spirit is very willing to give.

I understand the gift of tongues it's biblical.

What is this prayer language where is it in the bible?

 

[max-impact]

I gotta say that it annoys me when a pastor or TV
Evangelist starts speaking in tongues WITHOUT
interpretation. I seem to see a lot of this going on.

Are they trying to impress us with how “holy” they are?

I’m no theologian, but I believe my Bible says that tongues are
a private prayer language, and if it is used in public there needs to
be an interpretation of it.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Jeff C

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

I gotta say that it annoys me when a pastor or TV
Evangelist starts speaking in tongues WITHOUT
interpretation. I seem to see a lot of this going on.

Are they trying to impress us with how “holy” they are?

I’m no theologian, but I believe my Bible says that tongues are
a private prayer language, and if it is used in public there needs to
be an interpretation of it.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Jeff C

This has already pretty much been explained in previous posts.

I will venture out to say that when "whoever" it is you've watched, stops speaking in tongues they start speaking in English and they are telling what God is showing to them. They may say, I see the Lord doing this or the Lord doing that. Or, I sense that the Lord wants to say this or that. Or they just start preaching and/or teaching. That could be viewed as the interpretation. And lest you think that one cannot interpret their own tongue please look at 1 Cor 14:13 "Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that He may interpret".

Just because they don't make a big tado over and announce that "this is not the interpretation of what I just said" only shows that they are not showing off.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

I understand the gift of tongues it's biblical.

What is this prayer language where is it in the bible?

Well, the Bible does not specifically call it a "prayer language", but it does describe what is being referred to as a prayer language.

1 Cor 14:2 "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God:" It is our tongue speaking to God. "for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speakent mysteries". And this is done in the spirit. Our spirit, speaking to God in His realm.

1 Cor 14:4 "He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself;" Again, our spirit is being edified by speaking to God in His realm. Through this type of conversation with God (spirit to Spirit vs flesh to Spirit) our inner man is incouraged and strengthened. Our flesh is not searching for what to pray for because our spirit knows what to pray for and does it. Our flesh will pray for what it understands as a human that it needs, but our spirit will pray for the deeper things in God that it is so hungry and thirsty for.

If we speak to God only in the language that we understand then we will pray only according to what we understand. Our spirit however, knows more than we what is spiritually needed and will pray as such. As scripture says, "we are speaking mysteries" with God. That is our love language with Him. It is all part of our maturing and growing as close as we possibly can to Him.

Yes, He can commune with us on our level, but He calls us up to His level and when we pray in tongues we are moving into His level of communication with us.

The gift of tongues, is what is used before a congregation or group of people as an edification to them and interpretation is required.

 

[Anthony]

Well, the Bible does not specifically call it a "prayer language", but it does describe what is being referred to as a prayer language.

1 Cor 14:2 "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God:" It is our tongue speaking to God. "for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speakent mysteries". And this is done in the spirit. Our spirit, speaking to God in His realm.

1 Cor 14:4 "He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself;" Again, our spirit is being edified by speaking to God in His realm. Through this type of conversation with God (spirit to Spirit vs flesh to Spirit) our inner man is incouraged and strengthened. Our flesh is not searching for what to pray for because our spirit knows what to pray for and does it. Our flesh will pray for what it understands as a human that it needs, but our spirit will pray for the deeper things in God that it is so hungry and thirsty for.

In 1 CO 14:2 & 4, Paul is discussing gifts and the gift of tongues, how does one split the the gift of tongues into a separate and distinct prayer language? I have no problem with the gift of tongues, foremost it is a gift given not requested and all the other rules and conditions which apply to the gift of tongues.

I would agree that the gift of tongues is a prayer language, but they are one and the same. There is no non-gift version of tongues.

 

[Anthony]

This has already pretty much been explained in previous posts.

I will venture out to say that when "whoever" it is you've watched, stops speaking in tongues they start speaking in English and they are telling what God is showing to them. They may say, I see the Lord doing this or the Lord doing that. Or, I sense that the Lord wants to say this or that. Or they just start preaching and/or teaching. That could be viewed as the interpretation. And lest you think that one cannot interpret their own tongue please look at 1 Cor 14:13 "Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that He may interpret".

Just because they don't make a big tado over and announce that "this is not the interpretation of what I just said" only shows that they are not showing off.

In church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.

 

[Andrew]

What is this prayer language where is it in the bible?

• Ro 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

• 1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

• Jude 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

In church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.

The more you speak/pray in tongues in private/at home, the more your English words will carry 'weight' and 'impact' people when you talk to them, counsel them, minister to them, preach to them etc.

Paul prayed a lot (more than anyone in the Corinthian church) in tongues in private ("ten thousand words in an unknown tongue"), so much so that when he spoke literally just five words to the lame man ("stand upright on your feet") it had tremendous impact.

 

[jono1]

hey guys
first off i'd like to say that i've only just read this for the first time...so i apologise if i repeat anyone's points....

In church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.

well last saturday night i was going to a youth event with a pentecostal church who believed that speaking in tongues is required to prove that you've been saved. I was a skeptic, having never done it myself. but their leader gave me my own personal mini-sermon to try and convince me (he was partially successful). one of the points he made to me was that when you pray in tongues it's not about other people really...it's the spirit taking over and praying for you, so it's for your and god's benefit.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

In church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.

I agree Anthony. . .but I'm not going to forbid myself to speak in tongues just because of my drathers.