Quaffer
I respectly disagree with the underlined in your statement below
There is a prayer language between us and God and there is an unknown tongue that is for the building up of the body of believers. The latter is not at my will but by the will and timeing of the Holy Spirit.
I Corinthians 14:32
And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
Everything I read concerning the operation of the manifestations of the spirit show beyond a doubt that man by the freedom of his will operates the manifestations.
I am going to copy part of some research I did on I Corinthians 12. It is lengthy so I will only go up to verse 11 on this, as it is verse 11 that should be of interest to you concerning the operation.
Note: I just found on one of my discs this part that I want to copy, which has all the underlines, bolds, and italic, already bracketed; something I posted on another forum. {saves me some time} It does however start out in verse 7 then goes to verse 1. You will see why when you read it; I am not numerically challenged.
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Regardless of what we have been taught our final authority has got to be the Word of God.
I have had many tell me that tongues is a gift, but according to the Word that is not true.
God uses words, within the Word of God to communicate to us, and it is this Word that He has magnified above all His name (Psalms 138:2)
It is words, which comprise the Bible, and the words are inseparable of God
The meaning of words that God uses, are to communicate His purpose and His will to us. Had God meant
gift in verse 7 of I Cor, He would have used gift; He did not.
If you have been taught it is a gift and your waiting for God to move
.guess what He has already moved. He gave you holy spirit, now it is up to us to believe and act, and God will energize or produce the effects as verse 6 states below.
The true God does not possess, He will not force you to do anything.
Now I know this may go against many of the teachings, you as well as I have heard, but remember the Word is the final authority, not what myself, or anybody else say about the Word. That is why I strongly urge you to verify everything that I have inked.
I Corinthians 12:7
But the manifestation of the spirit is given to every man to profit withal
but = sets in contrast that which precedes it
(gifts)
manifestation = no linger dealing with gifts, but now, manifestation of the spirit.
The word
manifestation in the Greek is
phanerôsis meaning to be visible, bring to light, or open to sight
A gift is not a manifestation: If I give you a gallon of paint, you have the option of putting the paint on the shelf, or opening the can and painting something,
like a wall.
The gift is the paint, the manifestation of the paint is what will be on the wall, the operation is your act of painting.
A better understanding of verse 7 can seen by first looking at verses 1-6.
I Corinthians 12:
verse 1
Now concerning spiritual [gifts] brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
spiritual =
pneumatikos = that which belongs to, is determined by, influenced by, or proceeds from the spirit
gifts = was added by translators, and is not in any text.- delete it !
ignorant. =
agnoeô = without knowledge, not to understand or comprehend or perceive.
A literal translation could be: Now concerning matters belonging to , determined by, influenced by, or proceeding from, the spirit; brethren I would not have you to be uninformed.
Or: Now concerning spiritual matters brethren, I would not have you to be uninformed.
verse 2
Ye know that ye were Gentiles carried away unto these dumb idols even as ye were led
carried =
apagô = led or conducted away
these = omit not in text
dumb idols = voiceless images of wood or stone
led [lead] =
agô = led; under direction of others
The Gentiles has worshiped dumb idols because thats what they were taught.
verse 3
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord but by the Holy ghost.
wherefore = why fore
give you to
understand =
gnôrizô = reveal, to declare, to make known
no man = no one
speaking =
laleô = to talk or to use the voice without reference to the words spoken
by =
en = in
the = all critical Greek text omit both uses of the article the
spirit of God =
pneuma Theou = the new nature in the child of God
calleth =
legô = recount, or say, to lay in order
accursed = anathema = a ban or a curse, one that is intensely disliked, the denunciation of something
thatt = not in text, added by translators.
can = dunamai = is capable of, to be able, have power
say = eìpon = to declare, use in ref to call one so and so
that = not in text
but = ei mê = if not , or except
by = en = with, or in
holy ghost = pneuma hagion - lower case not God the giver, but the gift from God
A literal of verse 3, could be: Because you were lead away by dumb idols in the past I want to declare unto you that no one who is speaking in tongues is denouncing or calling Jesus accursed. And no one is really capable of declaring that Jesus is lord in there life
except by way of pneuma hagion {holy spirit} which is the gift in manifestation.
This does not mean that if you dont speak in tongues your not born again. It is simply your proof in the sense realm that Jesus is lord in your life.
verse 4
Now there are diversities of gifts , but the same Spirit
diversity = diairesis = a compound word from dia meaning through and hairesis meaning choice or option
gifts = charismata = gifts of grace from God to man. Charisma is always used of Gods gifts, {verticially from God to man} of which there are seven. The gift of holy spirit [Acts 2:38, ] The five gift ministries [Ephesians 4: 8,11], and the gifts of healing
[ I Corinthians 12:9].
Spirit = The giver, God
A literal understanding of this would be: Through the choice or option of God there are gifts given to man.
Also note that every healing is a gift., Not that someone has the gift of healings.
The healings themselves are a gift, but it gifts of healing are still a manifestation of the spirit.
verse 5
And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord
differences: same word as diversities in verse 4 diaresis which is the act of dividing through Gods choice or option.
administrations = diakonia = ministries whose service benefit others.
The ministries, gifts of Gods grace are to be of service in benefit to others
verse 6
And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all
diversities = diaresis = choice or option
operations = energêma {n.}= what is wrought, effects produced
worketh = energeô {v.}= to be in work, to energize or be energized
Then comes verse seven:
But the manifestation of the spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
Notice the words every man not a select few. The book of Corinthians is written to the Church of the body so the every man would include us who are part of the body of Christ. And concerning these matters, as in verse one, God does not want us (every man) ignorant of the things of the spirit.
Now grammatically verses 8-10 form a parenthetical phrase. They are a subordinate clause referring to the profit in the manifestations.
In going to verse 11
But all these {the manifestations} worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
The word dividing is the word diaireo which means distributing
severally is the Greek word idia from idios meaning ones own, his own. This is the only place that the word idios has been translated severally, and it is a poor translation.
The latter part of this verse should read:
distributing to every man his own as (he the man) wills.
It cannot be as God wills or it would not only contradict grammar, but God would contradict himself in verse 7
As he wills has to do with a person believing, and desire to operate.
The word wills is the Greek word boulomai which means deliberate determination, whether in accordance with or contrary to the original wish or impulse.
Simply put; man determines when and which manifestation he will operate.
Keeping in mind that just because we have the ability to operate all nine manifestations of the spirit does not necessarily mean that you will do so. Also, being human we all can excel in different areas. Some may excel at gifts of healings but that does not mean they have the gift if healing, it is still a manifestation of the gift of holy spirit, the same holy spirit given to us by the Holy Spirit {God} on the day we got born again
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God Bless
sandman