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Believers not under the "tithe."

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Follow your heart, mine says tithe.

I was going to say.. when I think dwell on this I get a uneasy feeling..a red flag about not tithing. The word ALL if it makes it very clear. To think about the GOD who sent His only son in the flesh. Its just the battle with this flesh. Its a free choice for sure and He wil not judge nor condemn if we do not give. Give there is a reward....yet we do not give to get. The smallest amount can be the greatest in HIS EYES! So give from our heart. Does not always have to be money :)
 
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I was going to say.. when I think dwell on this I get a uneasy feeling..a red flag about not tithing. The word ALL if it makes it very clear. To think about the GOD who sent His only son in the flesh. Its just the battle with this flesh. Its a free choice for sure and He wil not judge nor condemn if we do not give. Give there is a reward....yet we do not give to get. The smallest amount can be the greatest in HIS EYES! So give from our heart. Does not always have to be money :)
The word tithe noes not mean any kind of giving, in my mind
 
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After wrestling with the Lord Gen 32:28. The Lord changes Jacobs name to Israel. Jacob's 12 sons become the 12 Tribes of Israel. Each son receives a portion of Land except Levi. Leiv's Tribe is chosen to be the priests.

The purpose of the tithe. Was because, unlike all the other tribes. The Levites did not reveice or own any property, therefore had no means of income. So God provided for the Levite tribe, the priestly’ tribe. With the tithes (Plural) of the other tribes. So the tithe is not biblical, unless it is given to the Levites.

Under Mosaic law it was Tithes (PLURAL) not tithe that was the requirement.

Malachi 3:10 Bring ye "all the tithes" (PLURAL) into the storehouse,

Lev 27:
30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.
(MY NOTE: Land owners & herdsmen paid the tithes & only from the land given to Israel)

31 And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes (<Again/PLURAL), he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.
(MY NOTE: a 20% fee was added for bringing cash)

32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.
(MY NOTE: You marched your herd under a rod. If you had had 9 animals, you paid/gave none. If you had 19 you only paid/gave one. If you had 100 then 10 would have been required.)

Deut 14:22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
(MY NOTE: Tithes were required on crop or herd """increases""". BTW nothing was EVER paid on any future increases/like a pay check. Also, fisherman paid nothing on their catch, tradesmen, cobblers, potters, the women who made the soldiers garments, the servants who worked in the fields for wages, were not required to pay tithe).

After the Temple was destroyed there was no where/reason to pay tithes.

Does our local Church & global ministries need our financial support? Of course, yes, ABSOLUTELY!

Acts 20:35 (C) Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.
(NOTE: I see here a blessing promise from the Lord for freewill giving)

1 Cor 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
(NOTE: Bring WEEKLY your best freewill gift)

2 Cor 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
(NOTE: Give a little, receive a little, give a lot, receive a lot)

7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, ""or of necessity"": for God loveth a cheerful giver.
(NOTE: A tithe was given out of the laws necessity. A worthless gift from todays believer. A freewill gift from the heart is loved and rewarded by our Lord. Even a drink of water given in His name Matt 10:42)

When it comes to giving. New covenant Christians are taught to give generously, sacrificial & expectant of a blessing in return. And most certainly be CHEERFULL FREEWILL GIVER'S!

We should all prayerfully examine our giving patterns. Pray earnestly that the Holy Spirit would challenge us. To see whether they are in line with God's New Testament plan of being Generous, Sacrificial, Cheerful Giver's!
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I do have an issue with churches that say non tithers are under a curse if they don't tithe

Because of the cross we aren't under a curse

sin has consequences not curses. And I don't consider not tithing to be a sin. Not giving, maybe.
I watch a Lot of Christian TV and I have never heard that said. If I ever hear that I would never watch them again.
 
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The word tithe noes not mean any kind of giving, in my mind

That is true. God was exceedingly explicit about just what, when, how, and where to tithe...and nowhere in scripture are His instructions on tithing ever changed or altered.

I note that during the time of the Apostles, up to 70AD, Jews were continuing to tithe in Jerusalem according to the Mosaic Law.

If the Apostles had instructed Christians to tithe, they either would have been as explicit in defining "tithe" in a new way (different from the Mosaic tithe) or else they would have explicitly instructed Christians to carry the proper tithe to Jerusalem according to the Mosaic Law. The instructions would have to be explicit either to distinguish "Christian tithing" from Jewish tithing, or to make tithing a special case of observing a Mosaic Law ritual.

We don't see either thing happening. We don't see them giving instructions to "tithe" differently from the Jews, nor do we see them giving instructions to Christians to tithe according to the Mosaic Law. Rather, the Apostles avoid the word "tithe" entirely, even though they speak liberally of "giving" and "sharing" and making sure everyone's needs are thus met.
 
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There are preachers who usually psychological tactics to extort money from their members through a combination of shame, guilt trips, and questionable application.

When he starts sounding like a salesman that’s a problem. When I see him the same thing I hear in marketing course and events I’m skeptical.

At the end of the day we’re expected to exercise wisdom. No one can shake you down financially without agreement. You can always say no and direct your funds elsewhere.

While I’m not opposed to church buildings per se. The majority are burdensome for their members. It’s a never-ending money pit that never sleeps. Add on employee expenses and ministerial work and the shortfall is understandable.

The donor model works well when people have deep pockets. But there should be a willingness to be more discriminating with the debt and liabilities they create. They should be offering products and services that increase their income.
 
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I was going to say.. when I think dwell on this I get a uneasy feeling..a red flag about not tithing. The word ALL if it makes it very clear. To think about the GOD who sent His only son in the flesh. Its just the battle with this flesh. Its a free choice for sure and He wil not judge nor condemn if we do not give. Give there is a reward....yet we do not give to get. The smallest amount can be the greatest in HIS EYES! So give from our heart. Does not always have to be money :)
Deuteronomy 16:
16
Three times a year all your males
shall appear before the Lord your God in the place which
He chooses: at the Feast of Unleavened Bread, at the Feast
of Weeks, and at the Feast of Tabernacles; and they shall not
appear before the Lord empty-handed.
17 Every man shall give as he is able, according to the blessing of the Lord your God which He has given you.

It would be appropriate to point out that beyond all tithing,
every man was expected to give liberally three times a year,
when he appeared before the Lord.
 
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