I remember for a long time ago that someone said as long as you were saved your automatically let into heaven. As in no matter what you do (sin or try to be the best Christian you can possibly be) you get into heaven. Is that true?
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Being saved = an easy ticket to heaven?
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No. I forget who I heard it from but I know I heard it from someone if that was what your are asking.
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ezeric
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You may get to heaven, but you won't have heaven here.
I know GOD is merciful, and I know the last Adam (JESUS) totally fixed the first Adam's mess. In other words, as much of the curse and evil Adam caused, JESUS fixed it all.
But who wouldn't want to live the 'abundant life' right now?
Who wants the burden and the guilt, and fears when they can know the ONE who is PEACE!
Here is a scripture most never quote, because the church likes to focus on hell and torment and not on GRACE and PEACE.
"For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all." Romans 11:32
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I know GOD is merciful, and I know the last Adam (JESUS) totally fixed the first Adam's mess. In other words, as much of the curse and evil Adam caused, JESUS fixed it all.
But who wouldn't want to live the 'abundant life' right now?
Who wants the burden and the guilt, and fears when they can know the ONE who is PEACE!
Here is a scripture most never quote, because the church likes to focus on hell and torment and not on GRACE and PEACE.
"For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all." Romans 11:32
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BFine
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I would encourage you to talk to your minister about
what you heard "someone" say.
It is important that you learn the Word of God and not adhere
to what "someone" said that you can't remember who it was who said it.
Talk to your minister and see if he can connect you with a Christian mentor
at church.
what you heard "someone" say.
It is important that you learn the Word of God and not adhere
to what "someone" said that you can't remember who it was who said it.
Talk to your minister and see if he can connect you with a Christian mentor
at church.
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Ark100
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NO
You are a slave to sins if you keep sinning.
If you have been saved, you should be a slave to righteousness and abide in Christ and follow His words.
To keep sinning is disregarding His word and becoming a slave to sins, and we all know the wages of sins
I see you are 14yrs of age, best to seek the counsel and guidance of your ministers at church and older people who know the true word of God. God bless
You are a slave to sins if you keep sinning.
If you have been saved, you should be a slave to righteousness and abide in Christ and follow His words.
To keep sinning is disregarding His word and becoming a slave to sins, and we all know the wages of sins
I see you are 14yrs of age, best to seek the counsel and guidance of your ministers at church and older people who know the true word of God. God bless
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Thank you all for your advice. The reason why I ask this question is because I'm just wondering if I were do die but didn't ask for forgiveness (like I know this is an exaggeration but say I was stabbed in the heart/head or shot in the head) would I still be able to go to heaven.
In hindsight I think I should have asked this question from the beginning.
In hindsight I think I should have asked this question from the beginning.
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Romans 11:32, a nice verse and out of context for Paul seems to be referring to the Elect. So the free ticket to heaven is not going to take everyone to heaven.
HOWEVER, that chapter does refer to God's gifts of salvation as being without repentance on His part and therefore are permanent. I believe there will someone of God's kids that will be in the very act of adultery and will be taken at the moment of rapture. A momentary lapse into sin is not what condemns us. We are trusting in the work that JESUS did; we don't earn it. Refusing to clothe ourselves in HIS righteousness is what will condemn the world.
HOWEVER, that chapter does refer to God's gifts of salvation as being without repentance on His part and therefore are permanent. I believe there will someone of God's kids that will be in the very act of adultery and will be taken at the moment of rapture. A momentary lapse into sin is not what condemns us. We are trusting in the work that JESUS did; we don't earn it. Refusing to clothe ourselves in HIS righteousness is what will condemn the world.
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This is simply my opinion from what I think and have heard from pastors I know.
Once saved you cannot go to hell for any reason, with the exception of totally turning away from God. Basically you stop being a christian and become something else. THat part though is disputed about turning away from God leads to hell.
Now lets say you struggle with a porn addiction your whole life, and while you've gotten better at avoiding it, you still mess up on occasion. I don't think you would go to hell since God knows even though you still messed up, you at least tried to stop.
Because lets face it if we went to hell for sinning (as christians), then no one would make it to heaven since we never stop sinning. And by that I mean no one is or will ever be a perfect christians except for Jesus. And not to mention Jesus died on the cross for our sins.
I myself was a pretty good christian as a young boy. After I got sick at 16 I went downhill and while I still loved God, I turned into a terrible person for years. I am recovering from that and still make mistakes sometimes (like swearing..etc). But I know if I were to die tommorow I wouldn't go to hell because I have become better again. And having gone down a bad path for years you look back and think "Hmm, if I stayed on that path I may have totaly walked away from God!". Which also makes you think "Would have I gone to hell?". Hence this whole topic really.
Once saved you cannot go to hell for any reason, with the exception of totally turning away from God. Basically you stop being a christian and become something else. THat part though is disputed about turning away from God leads to hell.
Now lets say you struggle with a porn addiction your whole life, and while you've gotten better at avoiding it, you still mess up on occasion. I don't think you would go to hell since God knows even though you still messed up, you at least tried to stop.
Because lets face it if we went to hell for sinning (as christians), then no one would make it to heaven since we never stop sinning. And by that I mean no one is or will ever be a perfect christians except for Jesus. And not to mention Jesus died on the cross for our sins.
I myself was a pretty good christian as a young boy. After I got sick at 16 I went downhill and while I still loved God, I turned into a terrible person for years. I am recovering from that and still make mistakes sometimes (like swearing..etc). But I know if I were to die tommorow I wouldn't go to hell because I have become better again. And having gone down a bad path for years you look back and think "Hmm, if I stayed on that path I may have totaly walked away from God!". Which also makes you think "Would have I gone to hell?". Hence this whole topic really.
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Hmm...
All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting peoples sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 1 Corinthians 5:16
Are we judging people? or reconciling them?
Are we depending on JESUS full of GRACE and TRUTH? or will it depend on my effort my 'getting it right' (clothed in righteousness) to get saved?
Righteousness by faith.
"I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly." Galatians 2:21
Being clothed is a gift - HE put the robe on HIS pig smelly prodigal son.
Who wouldn't' jump on an opportunity like that? Fools even want in on that!
And the wise already know that is what they need.
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Living in the Light
How may I be a better Christian?
Hmm, wouldn't it simply be the right thing to do? -- to follow Jesus and practice his teachings rather than just thinking about getting to heaven. We must first climb the path before we reach the top of the mountain.
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Being saved = an easy ticket to heaven?
"You can enter God's Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way."
~Matthew 7:13 (NLT)
"Then I saw that there was a way to Hell, even from the gates of Heaven."
~John Bunyan
"Long is the way And hard, that out of Hell leads up to light.
~John Milton
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Why do we Christians make it so hard???
Your KING said it this way:
"MY yoke is easy" (see Matthew 11:30)
Why is it easy?
Because we don't carry them anymore, all burdens, sins, guilt, shame, fear, anger is all lost in HIS fathomless LOVE.
Placing burdens on them, without lifting a finger to remove them...
Matthew 23:4
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Your KING said it this way:
"MY yoke is easy" (see Matthew 11:30)
Why is it easy?
Because we don't carry them anymore, all burdens, sins, guilt, shame, fear, anger is all lost in HIS fathomless LOVE.
Placing burdens on them, without lifting a finger to remove them...
Matthew 23:4
-eric
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ThatWhichIsnt
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Heaven is a place for people to love Jesus. Those who love Him show their love by keeping the commandments He gave us. Those who are Christians, while they may stumble, keep coming back to Him. We are given a new nature, so even though we are saved with an everlasting salvation, we will act in a manner which is worthy of it.
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It's not a license to do whatever you want, if that's what you're questioning. If you willfully sin and do it without remorse, it pretty much shows that you AREN'T saved, so you can't "beat the system," if that's the idea.
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Its difficult when you hold onto your life, when you deny yourself and fully give your heart, mind and body to Christ it becomes very easy
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What do YOU mean by being saved? Does it mean that you trust that Jesus died on the cross in your place for the forgiveness of all those sins you're doing??? If so, WHY would you want to purposely keep on sinning when you actually stop and think of all the suffering that our Savior did in OUR place?
Salvation is so easy...it's free. But living our lives as Little Christs isn't going to be so easy.
Salvation is so easy...it's free. But living our lives as Little Christs isn't going to be so easy.
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Ark100
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And He said "whoever loves me will OBEY my teachings"
Many profess to love Him but they are equally comfortable indulging in their sinful lifestyle.
He said "I did not say it was going to be easy but it will be worth it?"
Many are willing not to take the hard gruelling road to get to the kingdom but they are happy to take the easy road of their flesh which leads to the other way.
The person who said narrow is the road to the Kingdom is not mistaken.
Many are indeed called, few are chosen
Shame a lot of people get misled
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I don't believe even true believers can say they live sinless lives after being saved, I think the idea of saying that is ridiculous. What makes a believer saved is their faith in our messiah Jesus. For it is written
"Know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified." (Galatians 2:16)
""For by Grace are you saved through Faith, and THAT IS NOT OF YOURSELVES, IT IS A GIFT FROM GOD NOT OF WORKS, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST." (Ephesians 2:8-9)
Jesus washed away all man's sins when he died on the cross, and provided his creation salvation by their faith in him.
That being said, I don't believe you can just say 'Well I'll do whatever the heck I want and then ask for forgiveness before I die and it will all work out". Doing this is in a way scheming against God by abusing his forgiveness, which is something one should never do. I believe what makes us righteous is our struggle. Whether we crumble before temptation or stand strong against it, if we are truly trying to fight it (And try to obey all of God's laws), God shall allow us in his Kingdom.
Ezekiel
"Know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified." (Galatians 2:16)
""For by Grace are you saved through Faith, and THAT IS NOT OF YOURSELVES, IT IS A GIFT FROM GOD NOT OF WORKS, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST." (Ephesians 2:8-9)
Jesus washed away all man's sins when he died on the cross, and provided his creation salvation by their faith in him.
That being said, I don't believe you can just say 'Well I'll do whatever the heck I want and then ask for forgiveness before I die and it will all work out". Doing this is in a way scheming against God by abusing his forgiveness, which is something one should never do. I believe what makes us righteous is our struggle. Whether we crumble before temptation or stand strong against it, if we are truly trying to fight it (And try to obey all of God's laws), God shall allow us in his Kingdom.
Ezekiel
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