Being : Reconciled

[Chaleb]

Good Day, Chaleb

Is that faith (since you say it is not a work) generated by the Spirit of God, or by the person?

Calvin teaches that a person can't have believing faith, unless God forces it upon them.

Paul teaches the opposite of Calvin..... that God requires us to have faith in Christ as "faith is counted as righteousness". and we are "Justified by Faith", when we BELIEVE.
Jesus said that if you Believe in Him, He gives you eternal life.
Salvation is Given when you give God your faith in Christ.
Faith is a choice to BELIEVE in Christ.

God would not require you to believe, if He was going to force you to choose Christ as Calving's heresy teaches.

Faith is found in the heart of a BELIEVER.
Its not a work.

"Faith comes by hearing the word of God"......not by God forcing you to believe, and "without Faith it is impossible to please God".
So, if God forced you to believe, as Calvin's heresy teaches, then GOD would never be unhappy that you didn't have faith, as God had already forced you to have faith,

 

[Chaleb]

who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

The work of God is that you believe in Jesus, whom God sent.
The will of God was that Christ go to the Cross to become the savior of the world.

Salvation is given to a believer.
Damnation is the current status of all who have not yet BELIEVED in Christ.

John 14:6

 

[BBAS 64]

Calvin teaches that a person can't have believing faith, unless God forces it upon them.

Paul teaches the opposite of Calvin..... that God requires us to have faith in Christ as "faith is counted as righteousness". and we are "Justified by Faith", when we BELIEVE.
Jesus said that if you Believe in Him, He gives you eternal life.
Salvation is Given when you give God your faith.
Faith is a choice to BELIEVE.

God would not require you to believe, if He was going to force you to choose Christ as Calving's heresy teaches.

Faith is found in the heart of a BELIEVER.
Its not a work.

"Faith comes by hearing the word of God"......not be God forcing you to believe, and "without Faith it is impossible to please God".
So, if God forced you to believe, as Calvin's heresy teaches, then GOD would never be unhappy that you didn't have faith, as God had already forced you to have faith,

Good Day,

Got to love the "Calvin" baseless assertions here .... unless you have of course you have a primary historical source.

Please give the citation in it's context.... I will wait,

Or just admit you do not have one, and find (illogical) Strawmen and red hearing somehow useful.

Again you failed to answer the question... Yes Faith is in the heart of the believer, and not in the heart of a non-believer.

Third time may be the charm:- Care to attempt an answer?

Is that faith (since you say it is not a work) generated by the Spirit of God, or by the person?

In Him,

Bill

 

[BBAS 64]

Calvin teaches that a person can't have believing faith, unless God forces it upon them.

Paul teaches the opposite of Calvin..... that God requires us to have faith in Christ as "faith is counted as righteousness". and we are "Justified by Faith", when we BELIEVE.
Jesus said that if you Believe in Him, He gives you eternal life.
Salvation is Given when you give God your faith in Christ.
Faith is a choice to BELIEVE in Christ.

God would not require you to believe, if He was going to force you to choose Christ as Calving's heresy teaches.

Faith is found in the heart of a BELIEVER.
Its not a work.

"Faith comes by hearing the word of God"......not by God forcing you to believe, and "without Faith it is impossible to please God".
So, if God forced you to believe, as Calvin's heresy teaches, then GOD would never be unhappy that you didn't have faith, as God had already forced you to have faith,

Good Day, Chaleb

Did you overlook the other half of the post?

What is the purpose of the HS conviction on the unbeliever?
Why is conviction of the HS even needed?
In your mind does the HS always achieve His purpose in convicting?

In Him,

Bill

 

[Chaleb]

Good Day,

Got to love the "Calvin" baseless assertions here .... unless you have of course you have a primary historical source.

Please give the citation in it's context.... I will wait,

Or just admit you do not have one, and find (illogical) Strawmen and red hearing somehow useful.

Again you failed to answer the question... Yes Faith is in the heart of the believer, and not in the heart of a non-believer.

Third time may be the charm:- Care to attempt an answer?

Is that faith (since you say it is not a work) generated by the Spirit of God, or by the person?

In Him,

Bill

Calvin = "TULIP

Want me to send you the Fundamentals of Calvin, study guide?
Do you need another one, Bill?

And regarding "faith being generated".

You believe that faith is generated ?????? , and Calvin says that this has to be, as Total Depravity (TULIP, Calvinism) does not all for the person to believe.
So, he created the "predestined elect" concept that teaches that God chooses you to believe, or as you are trying to prove, "generated"... for the person.

So, What is the truth?

1.) All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God.
2.) Christ was sent by God to the Cross to offer Redemption from this fallen condition.

How is that achieved?

John 3:16

2 Corinthians 5:19
s
A.) A person hears the Gospel, and the Holy Spirit REVEALS The Truth of Christ's Cross = by Conviction, and they CHOOSE to believe it, and God accepts their faith, and their """" faith is counted as Righteousness, and they are "justified by Faith", without the law.

Why does this have to be the truth?
Because Salvation is "the GIFT of Salvation".
Gift's are received.....and Spiritual Gifts like "the gift of salvation" and "the gift of righteousness", are received by faith.

 

[BBAS 64]

The work of God is that you believe in Jesus, whom God sent.
The will of God was that Christ go to the Cross to become the savior of the world.

Salvation is given to a believer.
Damnation is the current status of all who have not yet BELIEVED in Christ.

John 14:6

Good day, Chaleb

Yes

John 6:29 Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”

If God does not (work) do something you will not believe.

Yes he predetermined the Cross before the foundation of the world.

Salvation requires faith and repentance which is commanded.

In Him,

Bill

 

[Chaleb]

Good day, Chaleb

Yes

John 6:29 Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”

The "work of God" is the Cross of Christ.

This is the "Gift of Salvation"

Believe it.

 

[Chaleb]

Yes he predetermined the Cross before the foundation of the world.

God didnt create (predetermine) the fall of man, to bring about the Cross of Christ.

But God's "Foreknowledge" knew what Adam/Eve would do, and God's Foreknowledge knew who God would Provide on the Cross as Redemption regarding all that God knew was going to happen.

God even Foreknew you would be here today, and yet, he didnt cause it.
He just "foreknowledge" it.

See, Calvin had a circular reasoning issue that stemmed from Him not being able to understand that :

"God knowing everything that is going to happen next, (Foreknowledge) is not to be understood as God CAUSING everything to happen.

What ive noticed this last 40 yrs, is that Calvin's disciples also cannot understand that : God knowing it all, is not the same as God Causing it all.

Have you noticed this issue with understanding that reality that Calvinist's all have?

 

[BBAS 64]

Good Day,

Calvin = "TULIP

Want me to send you the Fundamentals of Calvin, study guide?
Do you need another one, Bill?

And regarding "faith being generated".

You believe that faith is generated ?????? , and Calvin says that this has to be, as Total Depravity (TULIP, Calvinism) does not all for the person to believe.
So, he created the "predestined elect" concept that teaches that God chooses you to believe, or as you are trying to prove, "generated"... for the person.

So, What is the truth?

1.) All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God.
2.) Christ was sent by God to the Cross to offer Redemption from this fallen condition.

How is that achieved?

John 3:16

2 Corinthians 5:19
s
A.) A person hears the Gospel, and the Holy Spirit REVEALS The Truth of Christ's Cross = by Conviction, and they CHOOSE to believe it, and God accepts their faith, and their """" faith is counted as Righteousness, and they are "justified by Faith", without the law.

Why does this have to be the truth?
Because Salvation is "the GIFT of Salvation".
Gift's are received.....and Spiritual Gifts like "the gift of salvation" and "the gift of righteousness", are received by faith.

Good Day,

No...

I would like you to provide some kind of citation for your baseless assertions.... now we have another that is 3.

Citation(s) please.

Believe and Repent are commands...

God Commands and causes us to walk and obey.

The beauty of the NC regeneration.

ze 36:26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.

I would say that all men do not have Faith, and that Faith needs to be granted just like Repentance.

2Th 3:1 Finally, brothers, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may speed ahead and be honored, as happened among you, and that we may be delivered from wicked and evil men. For not all have faith.

Php 1:29 For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake, engaged in the same conflict that you saw I had and now hear that I still have.


These are gifts that God give to His adopted children... He adopts ( verb) we are therefore adopted (effected).

Citation(s) please.

In Him,

Bill

 

[BBAS 64]

God didnt create (predetermine) the fall of man, to bring about the Cross of Christ.

But God's "Foreknowledge" knew what Adam/Eve would do, and God's Foreknowledge knew who God would Provide on the Cross as Redemption regarding all that God knew was going to happen.

God even Foreknew you would be here today, and yet, he didnt cause it.
He just "foreknowledge" it.

See, Calvin had a circular reasoning issue that stemmed from Him not being able to understand that :

"God knowing everything that is going to happen next, (Foreknowledge) is not to be understood as God CAUSING everything to happen.

What ive noticed this last 40 yrs, is that Calvin's disciples also cannot understand that : God knowing it all, is not the same as God Causing it all.

Have you noticed this issue with understanding that reality that Calvinist's all have?

Good Day, Chaleb

Seems you have confused the noun and verb.... a verb is something God does, and yes that is how he knows it (noun) foreknowledge.

you may find this helpful:

Thayer Definition:

1) to predetermine, decide beforehand
2) in the NT of God decreeing from eternity
3) to foreordain, appoint beforehand
Part of Speech: verb

Citation for your assertion of Calvin... that is 4

In Him,

Bill

 

[BBAS 64]

The "work of God" is the Cross of Christ.

This is the "Gift of Salvation"

Believe it.

Good Day,

This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.

God works ( effort) and you believe ( effect) belive (verb) God is the sole and effective cause of our believing.

In Him

Bill

 

[Chaleb]

I would like you to provide some kind of citation for your baseless assertions.... now we have another that is 3.

Believe and Repent are commands...

Ive presents Paul's Doctrine.
There are no "baseless assertions" in Pauline Theology (NT) so, continuing to imply that Paul's Doctrine is "baseless assertion", is not in your self interest.

Listen Bill.

I can post many verses that Paul Wrote or Jesus said that tell you to "believe".

So, it would not be necessary to be told to BELIEVE, if God was going to cause you to choose Christ.
No need to tell you to believe by FAITH, if God is going to force you to do it.

See it?

Calvin didnt.....he never could.

 

[Chaleb]

1) to predetermine, decide beforehand

good day to you, Bill.

Here is the honest approach..

You "presented" the world predetermine......not me.

I presented "FOREKNOWLEDGE..

 

[Chaleb]

God works ( effort) and you believe ( effect) belive (verb) God is the sole and effective cause of our believing.

Let me show you something that Calvin didn't notice.

a bible verse.

Notice that God wants you to Believe.

See, God's work that He provided is not your Faith.
Its His Son on the Cross.
That's God's work.....its that Cross.

And you are to believe that Jesus died for your sin, as your Savior...., and you have the Free Will, to do so, or to not do so.

New International Version
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

New Living Translation
Jesus told them, “This is the only work God wants from you: Believe in the one he has sent.”

English Standard Version
Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”

 

[BBAS 64]

good day to you, Bill.

Here is the honest approach..

You "presented" the world predetermine......not me.

I presented "FOREKNOWLEDGE..

Good Day,

My mistake...

Yes you did the noun form.

Here is the verb form:

Thayer Definition:
1) to have knowledge before hand
2) to foreknow
2a) of those whom God elected to salvation
3) to predestinate
Part of Speech: verb



In Him,

Bill

 

[BBAS 64]

Ive presents Paul's Doctrine.
There are no "baseless assertions" in Pauline Theology (NT) so, continuing to imply that Paul's Doctrine is "baseless assertion", is not in your self interest.

Listen Bill.

I can post many verses that Paul Wrote or Jesus said that tell you to "believe".

So, it would not be necessary to be told to BELIEVE, if God was going to cause you to choose Christ.
No need to tell you to believe by FAITH, if God is going to force you to do it.

See it?

Calvin didnt.....he never could.

Good Day,

Your assertion were about you supposed Calvin said, believed, or did not know.

With out proper citations

In case you missed it:

Believe and Repent are commands...

God Commands and causes us to walk and obey.

The beauty of the NC regeneration.

ze 36:26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.

I would say that all men do not have Faith, and that Faith needs to be granted just like Repentance.

2Th 3:1 Finally, brothers, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may speed ahead and be honored, as happened among you, and that we may be delivered from wicked and evil men. For not all have faith.

Php 1:29 For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake, engaged in the same conflict that you saw I had and now hear that I still have.


These are gifts that God give to His adopted children... He adopts ( verb) we are therefore adopted (effected).

Citation(s) please.

In Him,

Bill

 

[Chaleb]

Good Day,

My mistake...

Yes you did the noun form.Here is the verb foThayer Definition:
1) to have knowledge before hand
2) to foreknow
2a) of those whom God elected to salvation
3) to predestinate
Part of Speech: verb
In Him,

Bill

Good day, Bill,



"Foreknowledge"........."to know all "before it happens".

"fore" "knowledge".....to know the event, be-FORE the event happens.

How does this play out regarding you and me and everyone?

A.) God knows before we are born, who will be saved by John 3:16 BELIEVING in Jesus.... vs... all who will go to Hell as this... John 3:36


Knowing is not the same as Causing.

Calvin could not understand this distinction, and built a house of Cross Rejecting theology on that ONE misunderstanding.

 

[BBAS 64]

Let me show you something that Calvin didn't notice.

a bible verse.

Notice that God wants you to Believe.

See, God's work that He provided is not your Faith.
Its His Son on the Cross.
That's God's work.....its that Cross.

And you are to believe that Jesus died for your sin, as your Savior...., and you have the Free Will, to do so, or to not do so.

New International Version
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

New Living Translation
Jesus told them, “This is the only work God wants from you: Believe in the one he has sent.”

English Standard Version
Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”

Good day,

Umm that is not what the text says...

I guess that would depend on how you define free-will yes men make choices...

Unregenerate men always will choice the darkness they love over the light that they hate, they have a ( wicked) heart of stone.

God must remove that heart and give them a heart of flesh.... new heart new desires, new desires offer new choices.

I will put a heart of flesh in them (cause) and I will be their God and they shall be my people (effect)

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more.” In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

The purpose and design of the NC.... Beautiful we know him because he put it in our heart.


In Him,

Bill

 

[Chaleb]

Good Day,

Your assertion were about you supposed Calvin said, believed, or did not know.

With out proper citations

Good day,


- I also quote the bible without telling you which version im using.

So, your point is...

"can you show us a photo of a commentary that teaches "Calvinism".

Well Bill, its not necessary ., as Calvinism is not going to change.

 

[Chaleb]

..

God Knowing everthing that is going to happen next.... is not the same as GOD Causing everything to happen next.

Calvin could not understand this distinction, and built a house of Cross Rejecting theology on that ONE misunderstanding.