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Being Messianic in the Christian Churches

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We must also remember what comes after that as well

Members who share beliefs between other denominations and MJ( practice MJ but also attend another church or congregation) can post with in the tenents of MJ doctrines and beliefs (careful to not teach about your other churches doctrine in MJ) by showing the MJ icon or if using the other Church's icon stating in their Siggy or Title that they are indeed MJ as well.
Exactly....
 
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Change icon.
I don't need to. All I have to do is have Hebrew Catholic under my name. Did you expect Contra to change his icon too? Please read again the part of the rules that Lulav quoted for you.
 
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I don't need to. All I have to do is have Hebrew Catholic under my name. Did you expect Contra to change his icon too? Please read again the part of the rules that Lulav quoted for you.
especially the underlined part. ..
 
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I don't need to. All I have to do is have Hebrew Catholic under my name. Did you expect Contra to change his icon too? Please read again the part of the rules that Lulav quoted for you.
You don't need to change your icon... I was being funny... haha... fell flat... icon changing won't change the content of posts... which is where it is really important.
 
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You don't need to change your icon... I was being funny... haha... fell flat... icon changing won't change the content of posts... which is where it is really important.
Oh okay. Dopey me. I am really bad about being too serious! Thanks for lightening things up. Yes, I realize the content of my posts is difficult for you, as yours is for me. But we need to get along for the sake of the forum.
 
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Members who share beliefs between other denominations and MJ( practice MJ but also attend another church or congregation) can post with in the tenents of MJ doctrines and beliefs (careful to not teach about your other churches doctrine in MJ) by showing the MJ icon or if using the other Church's icon stating in their Siggy or Title that they are indeed MJ as well.
 
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Members who share beliefs between other denominations and MJ( practice MJ but also attend another church or congregation) can post with in the tenents of MJ doctrines and beliefs (careful to not teach about your other churches doctrine in MJ) by showing the MJ icon or if using the other Church's icon stating in their Siggy or Title that they are indeed MJ as well.
I don't. I never bring them up. Sometimes YOU bring up Catholic stuff and I have to correct your misrepresentations. But haven't I always encouraged posts about Catholicism to be taken to the Theology section? I even started an entire thread suggesting this. The best way for you to get me not to mention the Catholic church, vis, is for you and others not to bring it up. That way I have nothing to reply to. But in any event, I don't TEACH Catholic doctrine. I've never once tried to advance praying to saints or Mary or the Papacy etc. NEVER. Unless you want to consider Catholic doctrines like salvation by grace forbidden, I am well within the rules.
 
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Faith indicators dictates who can preach and the rest must be guests asking questions.

Do not teach or debate in any Congregational Forum unless you are truly a member and share its core beliefs and teachings. Questions and fellowship are allowed, proselytizing is not.

But wait a minute...the point is that OH has not once "taught" here. She has pointed out lies and half-truths about her own beliefs. That's hardly "teaching" MJism. I would argue that the idea of having "teaching" in this forum is a fallacy anyway, as no one here is a recognized and accepted teacher of "true" MJism (because the most vocal here hardly fit the bill as described!!)

Those who are entitled to "teach" here have hardly been unified and often not entirely consistent and coherent. There are those who are consistent in their own POV and I respect that- but unity in the MJ faith...nope. Haven't seen it.

If I had my way- none here would be regarded as "teachers of Torah". Just people on a journey.
 
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But wait a minute...the point is that OH has not once "taught" here. She has pointed out lies and half-truths about her own beliefs. That's hardly "teaching" MJism. I would argue that the idea of having "teaching" in this forum is a fallacy anyway, as no one here is a recognized and accepted teacher of "true" MJism (because the most vocal here hardly fit the bill as described!!)

Those who are entitled to "teach" here have hardly been unified and often not entirely consistent and coherent. There are those who are consistent in their own POV and I respect that- but unity in the MJ faith...nope. Haven't seen it.

If I had my way- none here would be regarded as "teachers of Torah". Just people on a journey.
And that is not what the term "teaching" here in the MJ forum rules disqualifies.
 
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It would be ideal to have a forum that is open to ALL forms of Messianic thought. Instead of continually having to bicker and fight between one law and traditional Messianic Judaism. But my experience here remains. Every time a person comes through that embraces or wants to share in the theology and doctrines of the traditional mainstream Messianic Judaism communities (usually a Jew) they are met by the had full of one law adherents here who see them as another heresy and attempt to drive them out. Seems to me that it's the one lawers that refuse to share anything with anyone else. The 'teaching' thing always comes up. Problem is, IRL it's the one law teaching that is rejected throughout the established MJ communities. So in reality this forum in it's present state doesn't seem to represents Messianic Judaism in real life. And I think this is why this forum has remained so dysfunctional and full of disunity. It functions more as a one law forum calling itself a Messianic Judaism. Until that is addressed I see no possible change here. It will go round and round about the definition of Messianic Judaism. Sad really, a community that can not agree to define itself. Yet, if you look out the window IRL it already has its definition.
 
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It would be ideal to have a forum that is open to ALL forms of Messianic thought. Instead of continually having to bicker and fight between one law and traditional Messianic Judaism. But my experience here remains. Every time a person comes through that embraces or wants to share in the theology and doctrines of the traditional mainstream Messianic Judaism communities (usually a Jew) they are met by the had full of one law adherents here who see them as another heresy and attempt to drive them out. Seems to me that it's the one lawers that refuse to share anything with anyone else. The 'teaching' thing always comes up. Problem is, IRL it's the one law teaching that is rejected throughout the established MJ communities. So in reality this forum in it's present state doesn't seem to represents Messianic Judaism in real life. And I think this is why this forum has remained so dysfunctional and full of disunity. It functions more as a one law forum calling itself a Messianic Judaism. Until that is addressed I see no possible change here. It will go round and round about the definition of Messianic Judaism. Sad really, a community that can not agree to define itself. Yet, if you look out the window IRL it already has it's definition.

As usual, a very astute observation!
 
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It would be ideal to have a forum that is open to ALL forms of Messianic thought. Instead of continually having to bicker and fight between one law and traditional Messianic Judaism.
Here here!
But my experience here remains. Every time a person comes through that embraces or wants to share in the theology and doctrines of the traditional mainstream Messianic Judaism communities (usually a Jew) they are met by the had full of one law adherents here who see them as another heresy and attempt to drive them out. Seems to me that it's the one lawers that refuse to share anything with anyone else.
Why can't we disagree and talk about the issues without resorting to the "drive them out" mentality? It seems to me that it comes from insecurity.
The 'teaching' thing always comes up.
I'm not surprised, though to be fair, this round it came from just one person.
Problem is, IRL it's the one law teaching that is rejected throughout the established MJ communities. So in reality this forum in it's present state doesn't seem to represents Messianic Judaism in real life
. This is why I said my views on the subject represented mainstream MJ. I don't mind the One Law folks having their opinions. I just think they need to understand that they aren't ruling the roost of Messianic Judaism.
And I think this is why this forum has remained so dysfunctional and full of disunity. It functions more as a one law forum calling itself a Messianic Judaism. Until that is addressed I see no possible change here. It will go round and round about the definition of Messianic Judaism. Sad really, a community that can not agree to define itself. Yet, if you look out the window IRL it already has its definition.
Yes, it really is sad.

Don't leave! I intend to stay.
 
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