Beginning of the end

[Cement]

We are called to love everyone and I would be a complete hypocrite if I began to Judge the Christians who are gay. The difference I say is if they struggle with their sin then I can see that God may indeed be at work in them. If they go around and say that they do not sin then I will state that this is not true. The one I talked to stated that Jesus did not judge so then it would imply that I could not. I told them that since we are Christians and Jesus took our sins away we should always confess our sins and not claim to not sin for that makes us all liars. I think we are to simply speak the truth to them. God is not okay with them continuing to live in sin. God wants us to be holy. We are to to confess our sins and try to live a better life. We should not go around thinking ourselves any better because everyone needs the Gospel equally. Judge their actions and not the person.

 

[dhh712]

you can find pretty much any form of anti-gay propaganda on you tube you would care to

It is obvious to me by your two posts you're just looking to argue. Why is it that way with you? Would you not rather care to discuss the issue instead of throwing out one-liners laced with negativity toward the person to whom you're replying? I would really care to know since these kinds of responses makes posting on here very frustrating. Please let me know what is bothering you so much that you appear to not be able to discuss an issue with someone who has a view that doesn't align completely with yours.

In Christ as a sister wishing peace to my fellow brother or sister in Christ,
DHH712

 

[dhh712]

We are called to love everyone and I would be a complete hypocrite if I began to Judge the Christians who are gay. The difference I say is if they struggle with their sin then I can see that God may indeed be at work in them. If they go around and say that they do not sin then I will state that this is not true. The one I talked to stated that Jesus did not judge so then it would imply that I could not. I told them that since we are Christians and Jesus took our sins away we should always confess our sins and not claim to not sin for that makes us all liars. I think we are to simply speak the truth to them. God is not okay with them continuing to live in sin. God wants us to be holy. We are to to confess our sins and try to live a better life. We should not go around thinking ourselves any better because everyone needs the Gospel equally. Judge their actions and not the person.

Yes, completely. I often found one of the problems with Christians pointing out the sin of homosexuality is that they often focus on that one sin alone and appear to exclude all the others, as though those gay Christians have a problem and they themselves do not. Engaging in homosexuality is a sin just as me focusing on my gardening excursions at the expense of spending time with Christ. We all are sinners. The main thing is that we hate and abhor our sin and not tell ourselves it is okay with the Lord when it isn't.

Like I had said in my other posts, there are a few homosexuals I know whom I love and care very deeply for their souls. I do not support or encourage their homosexual relationships however. It is a sin before God and I will not change my stance on that, but neither will I stop caring about them and loving them.

 

[Nathan Arnold]

Matthew 23:14 "we are suppose to love everybody"

Btw that is a curse on those people woe to you means hell and destruction he was not whispering this either

 

[Nathan Arnold]

We are called to love everyone and I would be a complete hypocrite if I began to Judge the Christians who are gay. The difference I say is if they struggle with their sin then I can see that God may indeed be at work in them. If they go around and say that they do not sin then I will state that this is not true. The one I talked to stated that Jesus did not judge so then it would imply that I could not. I told them that since we are Christians and Jesus took our sins away we should always confess our sins and not claim to not sin for that makes us all liars. I think we are to simply speak the truth to them. God is not okay with them continuing to live in sin. God wants us to be holy. We are to to confess our sins and try to live a better life. We should not go around thinking ourselves any better because everyone needs the Gospel equally. Judge their actions and not the person.

Revelation 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Love your enemies, not god's enemies

 

[SilverBear]

You know why so many people have "propaganda" against gays why people hate it?

gays should love having lies told about them?

 

[Nathan Arnold]

gays should love having lies told about them?

The only thing I know is that if you don't repent you will perish too

 

[Nathan Arnold]

We are called to love everyone and I would be a complete hypocrite if I began to Judge the Christians who are gay. The difference I say is if they struggle with their sin then I can see that God may indeed be at work in them. If they go around and say that they do not sin then I will state that this is not true. The one I talked to stated that Jesus did not judge so then it would imply that I could not. I told them that since we are Christians and Jesus took our sins away we should always confess our sins and not claim to not sin for that makes us all liars. I think we are to simply speak the truth to them. God is not okay with them continuing to live in sin. God wants us to be holy. We are to to confess our sins and try to live a better life. We should not go around thinking ourselves any better because everyone needs the Gospel equally. Judge their actions and not the person.

Listen there are no gay christians. Those are unsaved sinners trying to ease their conscience but if they just completely give that up god will change them in an instant

 

[Nathan Arnold]

The sin of homosexuality is an abomination to god he hates that sin so much to kill you. The men of sodom and gommorrah tried to have rape god's angels and they weren't women because women were created for the man on earth so that means that every angel and demon is 10x smarter than you and the demons dearly hate you

 

[SilverBear]

It is obvious to me by your two posts you're just looking to argue. Why is it that way with you? Would you not rather care to discuss the issue instead of throwing out one-liners laced with negativity toward the person to whom you're replying? I would really care to know since these kinds of responses makes posting on here very frustrating. Please let me know what is bothering you so much that you appear to not be able to discuss an issue with someone who has a view that doesn't align completely with yours.

In Christ as a sister wishing peace to my fellow brother or sister in Christ,
DHH712

you are right, i was far to terse in my response and I apologize for that.

To respond to your posts more fully, as i should have originally:

Not necessarily true. I've heard reports that government officials are demanding transcripts of pastors' sermons. Whether this is true or not, I do not know. I would not be surprised to see this happen.

No, this is not true but many conservative sites and individuals have worked hard to present it as true and part of a grand gay conspiriacy.

the story originates in 2014 from Houston. The Houston city council passed a non discrimination ordnance called HERO (Houston Equal Rights Ordinance)

"The measure bans discrimination based not just on sexual orientation and gender identity but also, as federal laws do, sex, race, color, ethnicity, national origin, age, religion, disability, pregnancy and genetic information, as well as family, marital or military status." Houston Chronicle 5/28/14

Following the passage a group of churches banded together to repeal the ordinance *sigh* The group filed a petition including 50,000 signatures to the city of Houston calling for a referendum. It was found that most of the signatures were invalid, a main reason was that the signers didn't reside in Houston. The group sued the city of Huston. During the discovery phase the attorneys for the city subpoenaed seeking, among other communications, “all speeches, presentations, or sermons related to HERO, the Petition." Give the bizarre circumstances of the lawsuit this is a pretty standard subpoena.

 

[SilverBear]

The only thing I know is that if you don't repent you will perish too

Don't change the subject.

 

[Nathan Arnold]

Don't change the subject.

This is no subject just all I know and the bible is not just some book of wisdom either so get rid of that mindset, we arent debating about some high intellectual homosexual gabage I was just saying that if sinners don't get offended they won't ever repent and you're included in that category

 

[Nathan Arnold]

You know what, why do you even care if you won't repent why care to listen to the bible just live your life I can't force you to believe in god god draws you to him anyway it has nothing to do with you

 

[Nathan Arnold]

Listen, christianity is not a religion or is it spiritualism because those things all can be debunked. But this has stood firm since the creation of the world no man has debunked christianity and if you do then thats when you start labeling it spiritualism and religion and something common and garbage to be eaten by dogs then you can start opening those 2500000000 american churches that give out simple little panflips for salvation, for eternal life. Thats just a delusion because salvation wasn't meant for some people, not that god wont forgive is that god never chose them so then all those normal people go back to their lives or continue to live 'religiously' but keep sinning or just not sin around their friends because he has a reputation of being holy so the bible was only made to represent how great Jesus Christ is and that's it

so you arent rejecting a religion you are rejecting a breathing person that knows you did you can't change the reality even how hard you try you can bring all your politcal correct debate garbage here but don't mix jesus with the world because iron doesn't mix with clay you can debunk every other religion and I have but the bible is the best selling book of all time and that you can't logically debunk but you can debunk everything else and label it as demonic spirits trying to deceive people by telling them that they are god and they need to earn their way to be right with god.


Listen Jesus was never just some good citizen he was God in the flesh and he didnt attract 1000's of people by being normal he gave the quotes of wisemen because most of them stole them "treat people as you would want to be treated'Luke 6:31 A house divided -Abrahaham Licoln Matthew 12:22-28.

He chose those 12 disciples not to just "love" them that is useless and worthless and why would millions of people for hours and hours brutally die over it? Jesus Christ transformed these people's lives and you don't get that everyday he was not someone going around being just some random good person. He was who God is, amazing sinners with miracles he represented the person behind the god of the old testament. The word holy is set apart from all that is normal set apart from this normal person mindset Proverbs 14:12

But God is not that petty to accept your works he created everything and he doesnt need garbage from you and infact youre just a waste of space but god keeps you here because of grace this is something you cannot possibley debunk thus making it true because all other 'faiths' can be debunked

Jesus Christ said multiple times he was God the "I AM" is either extreme blasphamey or the truth also the bible that sold over 5 billion copies would not be

God is not identified by his name so the Yehoshua thing is misrepresenting the character of god and when you do that your morality changes

 

[SilverBear]

This is no subject just all I know and the bible is not just some book of wisdom either so get rid of that mindset, we arent debating about some high intellectual homosexual gabage

you mean facts.

I was just saying that if sinners don't get offended they won't ever repent and you're included in that category

so lying about a group of people is OK if the goal is to offend them?

 

[Nathan Arnold]

you mean facts.


so lying about a group of people is OK if the goal is to offend them?

Your eyes cant perceive what I'm saying so whats the point in talking to you so just present your case against me, and bring your arguments give me the evidence where I was wrong and I might answer.

 

[SilverBear]

Listen, christianity is not a religion or is it spiritualism because those things all can be debunked. But this has stood firm since the creation of the world no man has debunked christianity and if you do then thats when you start labeling it spiritualism and religion and something common and garbage to be eaten by dogs then you can start opening those 2500000000 american churches that give out simple little panflips for salvation, for eternal life. Thats just a delusion because salvation wasn't meant for some people, not that god wont forgive is that god never chose them so then all those normal people go back to their lives or continue to live 'religiously' but keep sinning or just not sin around their friends because he has a reputation of being holy so the bible was only made to represent how great Jesus Christ is and that's it

actually Christianity (but just the evangelical portion of it )can be shown to lb logically faulty (nicer than saying debunked) and done so by what you are talking about here. I believe it's called the problem of exclusion.

So present your case for those religions and bring fourth your arguments and tell me why I've got it wrong.

Who are you talking to?

 

[Nathan Arnold]

actually Christianity (but just the evangelical portion of it )can be shown to lb logically faulty (nicer than saying debunked) and done so by what you are talking about here. I believe it's called the problem of exclusion.




Who are you talking to?

Present your arguments because these do not state anything to me