Before the Flood 2

[hiscosmicgoldfish2]

I started a thread about a year ago i suppose called 'before the flood'.. there was almost zero interest in the topic.. so i'm not expecting any discussion here also.. I'd just like to ask if anyone knows of any good books, that research the patriarchs/kings before the flood? or anythig else about the pre-flood world, as i am endlessly facinated by this.. I have read Legend by David Rohl, that was interesting, and i'm reading .. 'after the flood' now, by Bill Cooper, also very good. There was a book written a while back on this subject but it's out of print now. Forbidden Archaeology isn't very interesting.. dissapointed with that one..
Most of the stuff out there is about aliens and rubbish, i'm looking for some serious investigation.. the quality of Legend..

 

[juvenissun]

I started a thread about a year ago i suppose called 'before the flood'.. there was almost zero interest in the topic.. so i'm not expecting any discussion here also.. I'd just like to ask if anyone knows of any good books, that research the patriarchs/kings before the flood? or anythig else about the pre-flood world, as i am endlessly facinated by this.. I have read Legend by David Rohl, that was interesting, and i'm reading .. 'after the flood' now, by Bill Cooper, also very good. There was a book written a while back on this subject but it's out of print now. Forbidden Archaeology isn't very interesting.. dissapointed with that one..
Most of the stuff out there is about aliens and rubbish, i'm looking for some serious investigation.. the quality of Legend..

I have not read any of the book you named. But my interest is not lower than yours on the subject. So, about serious information, could you share some of them? Headline type of info would be good for me.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish2]

I don't have much information. But i would recommend 'Legend' by david Rohl.. and 'Gateway to Atlantis' by Andrew Collins these are the best books i've got on ancient times.. 'The Biblical Flood' by Davis A. Young also needs to be read and re-read.. for anyone interested in trying to study that.. All i have is bits of information.. like silver cups and gold chains etc. turning up in coal, shoe-prints in 'triassic' rock.. Still searching for a serious study on this topic.. going into the young-earth creationist scenario. I admire Kent Hovinds lateral thinking.. was never impressed by Ken Ham.. a bit lack of depth i suppose.. I think there is a lot of good evidence on the YEC side.. it just needs to be brought together, and the topic opened up to allow for difficult questions to be investigated.. like how did the marsupials get to Australia.. covered in Davis A. Young's book.. as one of the thoughts that started to cast doubt on a literal world-wide flood.. in the past years.

 

[juvenissun]

I don't have much information. But i would recommend 'Legend' by david Rohl.. and 'Gateway to Atlantis' by Andrew Collins these are the best books i've got on ancient times.. 'The Biblical Flood' by Davis A. Young also needs to be read and re-read.. for anyone interested in trying to study that.. All i have is bits of information.. like silver cups and gold chains etc. turning up in coal, shoe-prints in 'triassic' rock.. Still searching for a serious study on this topic.. going into the young-earth creationist scenario. I admire Kent Hovinds lateral thinking.. was never impressed by Ken Ham.. a bit lack of depth i suppose.. I think there is a lot of good evidence on the YEC side.. it just needs to be brought together, and the topic opened up to allow for difficult questions to be investigated.. like how did the marsupials get to Australia.. covered in Davis A. Young's book.. as one of the thoughts that started to cast doubt on a literal world-wide flood.. in the past years.

The reason I asked you for information is that I have little patience to read other's book on this topic. The red texts I quoted above is the type of information I like to know. I do not need to know their version of interpretation. I just need pieces of information/idea, whether are they true or not true. Then I process them myself.

So, far, I think the Noah's Flood description is not a simple description of ONE event. It could be a combination of many events across a period (may not even be continuous) of time. Nevertheless, every pieces of description could still be literally true and are scientifically explainable.

 

[keyarch]

I'd just like to ask if anyone knows of any good books, that research the patriarchs/kings before the flood? or anythig else about the pre-flood world, as i am endlessly facinated by this..

I can't help wondering if you've read "The Book of Enoch". If not, there are full text scans at:
http://books.google.com/books?q=book+of+enoch and many other sites with hyperlinked indexes, such as: http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/

Chapter 6 is interesting as it relates to the 200 fallen angels and actually follows Genesis 6 but with more detail. I have a list of the angel leaders and chiefs on my site, at: http://www.genesistruth.org/documents/200_Fallen_Angels.pdf

This entire book has to do with the pre-flood world along with prophesy.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish2]

I can't help wondering if you've read "The Book of Enoch". If not, there are full text scans at:
http://books.google.com/books?q=book+of+enoch and many other sites with hyperlinked indexes, such as: http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/

Chapter 6 is interesting as it relates to the 200 fallen angels and actually follows Genesis 6 but with more detail. I have a list of the angel leaders and chiefs on my site, at: http://www.genesistruth.org/documents/200_Fallen_Angels.pdf

This entire book has to do with the pre-flood world along with prophesy.

no i havn't read it. they say it was written about BC200 and drawn from earlier source. not sure what to think of it really. as it's not very old. I do go along with the fall of the angels though, they gave rise to the nephilim.. i dont buy the sons of seth argument. I suppose i should read that book, although i would wonder why they excluded it from the bible.. all of it.. i think people were wise in the early years.. as i have read a fair bit of apocraphal texts.. I was really looking for some extra-biblical evidence, from stone tablets, that sort of thing. I suppose they get that story of Noah having white hair as a baby out of Enoch, .. they were worried he was a nephilim baby.. he probably did have white hair as a baby, wouldn't surprise me at all.. I have been reading the lists of kings from europe, traced back to Noah, outside of the christian era.. fascinating. But anyway, Noah wasn't a nephilim. That's why he was chosen, partly.
ps. that stuff about things found in coal is in 'forbidden archeology' by cremo and thomson... they'r not even christians, but they still dont get it..
anyway thanks for the links.. i'll have a read...
ps+ people do present the facts, in 'forbidden archeology' there are photos of the items found it coal and an account of how/when they were found. The shoe print in triassic rock is then presumed to be crazy because it's x million years old.. triassic rock then has a fossil tree growing up through it.. doh!

 

[juvenissun]

no i havn't read it. they say it was written about BC200 and drawn from earlier source. not sure what to think of it really. as it's not very old. I do go along with the fall of the angels though, they gave rise to the nephilim.. i dont buy the sons of seth argument. I suppose i should read that book, although i would wonder why they excluded it from the bible.. all of it.. i think people were wise in the early years.. as i have read a fair bit of apocraphal texts.. I was really looking for some extra-biblical evidence, from stone tablets, that sort of thing. I suppose they get that story of Noah having white hair as a baby out of Enoch, .. they were worried he was a nephilim baby.. he probably did have white hair as a baby, wouldn't surprise me at all.. I have been reading the lists of kings from europe, traced back to Noah, outside of the christian era.. fascinating. But anyway, Noah wasn't a nephilim. That's why he was chosen, partly.
ps. that stuff about things found in coal is in 'forbidden archeology' by cremo and thomson... they'r not even christians, but they still dont get it..
anyway thanks for the links.. i'll have a read...
ps+ people do present the facts, in 'forbidden archeology' there are photos of the items found it coal and an account of how/when they were found. The shoe print in triassic rock is then presumed to be crazy because it's x million years old.. triassic rock then has a fossil tree growing up through it.. doh!

One problem for me on this type of rare(?) discovery is, the rareness. Before I accept the evidence, there has to be a good explanation on this special nature of the evidences. If gold chain were found in coal, then why not found in rocks, which is a more common substance.

Read all the suggested references is no different from reading fictions to me. Before I start to read them seriously, I need a good reason for me to do so.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish2]

One problem for me on this type of rare(?) discovery is, the rareness. Before I accept the evidence, there has to be a good explanation on this special nature of the evidences. If gold chain were found in coal, then why not found in rocks, which is a more common substance.

Read all the suggested references is no different from reading fictions to me. Before I start to read them seriously, I need a good reason for me to do so.

maybe it's that coal is sorted through in the production.. and rock isn't on the whole, unless it's to get slate or something. What was the extent of civilisation before the flood.. It is rare, and all the evidence is in Cremo's book. There was a book written a while back on this subject, but it's out of print now. Not the usual aliens/anunnaki stuff, which is all you get now, but investigating the evidence.. I think the four rivers are the same rivers now as in genesis, the wording of the bible shows that. The common idea is that they named the Tigris + Euphrates after a river before the flood, I don't think that's true.

 

[juvenissun]

maybe it's that coal is sorted through in the production.. and rock isn't on the whole, unless it's to get slate or something. What was the extent of civilisation before the flood.. It is rare, and all the evidence is in Cremo's book. There was a book written a while back on this subject, but it's out of print now. Not the usual aliens/anunnaki stuff, which is all you get now, but investigating the evidence.. I think the four rivers are the same rivers now as in genesis, the wording of the bible shows that. The common idea is that they named the Tigris + Euphrates after a river before the flood, I don't think that's true.

Good question, what was the extent of civilization? Stone age civilization? I don't know. It is a sustaining question to me. What tools did Noah use to make the Ark? I don't think they are stone-age tools.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish2]

Good question, what was the extent of civilization? Stone age civilization? I don't know. It is a sustaining question to me. What tools did Noah use to make the Ark? I don't think they are stone-age tools.

I think it was at technology like before the Romans.. as they don't seem to have invented the arch. (the Romans invented the arch, and concrete) I think 'stone age', 'bronze age' etc. is false. There was iron used from the very beginning. I think those terms were invented to promote a sort of cultural evolution. I think nomads like native americans used 'stone-age' tools, because they were travelling down through the americas, with a similar culture to eskimos. How do you date an arrow head anyway? I havn't read all of Cremo's book, it's a very big book.

 

[shernren]

How do you date an arrow head anyway?

Hmm, that's a toughie. With flowers and a candlelit dinner? [chuckle]

 

[juvenissun]

I think it was at technology like before the Romans.. as they don't seem to have invented the arch. (the Romans invented the arch, and concrete) I think 'stone age', 'bronze age' etc. is false. There was iron used from the very beginning. I think those terms were invented to promote a sort of cultural evolution. I think nomads like native americans used 'stone-age' tools, because they were travelling down through the americas, with a similar culture to eskimos. How do you date an arrow head anyway? I havn't read all of Cremo's book, it's a very big book.

I like to think it that way. But I never read any reference which shows the evidence.

 

[keyarch]

There was a book written a while back on this subject but it's out of print now. Forbidden Archaeology isn't very interesting.. dissapointed with that one..

I just checked out "Forbidden Archeology" from the library. Wow, what a thick book! 828 pages of very intense reading. It's more like a reference book because it doesn't seem like a flowing front to back progressive theme kind. I was also expecting more graphics. I flipped thru and don't see any photographs. This will be a real expedition to get thru (if I even get started). I can see why you were dissapointed.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish2]

I just checked out "Forbidden Archeology" from the library. Wow, what a thick book! 828 pages of very intense reading. It's more like a reference book because it doesn't seem like a flowing front to back progressive theme kind. I was also expecting more graphics. I flipped thru and don't see any photographs. This will be a real expedition to get thru (if I even get started). I can see why you were dissapointed.

it's a bit heavy going. i just read sections at a time. i'd prefer to read something a bit more creationist, with various theories etc.

 

[RobertByers]

Yec here.
The bible talks of science/art before the flood and about violence and women. great men and the like.
One line og thought I've never done but thought of is to use the same equation creationists use for verifying the flood from oral/written non biblical history. almost all ancient peoples had a flood story and so proof of the actual memory of the great event. As one would expect.
Well some of these peoples do have stories abut the time before the flood. I think the greeks and others. Perhaps grains of truthful stories can be deduced unrelated to scripture. just thinking.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish2]

Yec here.
The bible talks of science/art before the flood and about violence and women. great men and the like.
One line og thought I've never done but thought of is to use the same equation creationists use for verifying the flood from oral/written non biblical history. almost all ancient peoples had a flood story and so proof of the actual memory of the great event. As one would expect.
Well some of these peoples do have stories abut the time before the flood. I think the greeks and others. Perhaps grains of truthful stories can be deduced unrelated to scripture. just thinking.

but nobody has done any research.. 'reading 'forbidden history now.. it's from a number of different authors, so you dont get lumbered with their particular take/theory.. aliens did it.. is the usual one nowadays.