Be not deceived

[Michael009]

I find it bizarre that anyone would accept a vision, revelation, or supposed prophecy from people writing text on the Internet.

I've been on some Christian Forums where multiple individuals are professing they've received direct divine inspiration, and then proceed to express the vision or prophecy.

How many times did our savior Jesus, the apostles Paul, Peter, John and James warn the believers to BE NOT DECEIVED?

Its beyond foolish to accept ANYTHING, until we follow Bible instructions to PROVE ALL THINGS; hold fast that which is good. 1 The 5:21

This should be common sense, but it's almost impossible to PROVE these people, if no one knows who they are. The source is to be proven, just as their message is to be proven that they are truly..

1. Born of God
2. Have the Baptism of the Holy Spirit
3. Are living a faithful and righteous life in Christ

Unless these elements are first proven, I would not even listen to them, regardless of who they are.

Beware people of God, Jesus made it plain that in the last days.. MANY FALSE PROPHETS SHALL RISE, AND SHALL DECEIVE MANY. Mat 24:11

1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

God Bless

 

[tturt]

You're right things are to be tested but they're tested after they're communicated including typed text. Just like hearing a sermon on something you've never heard before, there is testing that needs to be done.

I Thess 5:20-21 “Despise not prophesyings. 21Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.”

The believer who is prophesying has responsibility but it is also the responsibility of the person being spoken to test what's been said. Scripture states to prove all things that’s been stated to you. That means it's to be proven, confirmed or tested what’s been said.

How do we prove all things? There are a combination of confirmation “resources” to arrive at a Godly decision. Foremost, as you said, everything has to line up with Scriptures. II Tim 3:16 Plus as you said, as believers, we have the Holy Spirit (I Cor. 2;10 Hearing the voice of God is important, I Sam 30:1-8. Additionally, there will be 2-3 witness to confirm what’s been said (II Cor 13:1). We need Godly counsel such as stated in Proverbs 11:14 and Psa 1:1. Also, as believers, confirmation may be something we already know in our hearts I Sam 9:19.

We have Holy Scriptures, the Holy Spirit, wise Godly counsel, prayer, hearing God’s voice, and spiritual discernment and together they’re to help us and should all produce the same result. Once all things have been proved then we hold fast to that which is good (I Thess 5:21).

Holding onto that which is good sounds very passive. However, Paul advised Timothy to do "good warfare" concerning the prophetic words that had been spoken to him. I Tim 1:18 "This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;"

 

[Michael009]

There's a reason Jesus said MANY will be deceived. The Bible teaches to TRY, or prove, not only the message, but the "spirits" The scripture that teaches that is referring to the PERSON that voices the prophecy, vision and or revelatory knowledge.

1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

but try the spirits whether they are of God:

but try the spirits whether they are of God:

but try the spirits whether they are of God:

Pity to those who follow anything without PROVING whether or not the messenger is a true prophet.

Thanks for your comments.

God Bless

 

[tturt]

All gifts including discerning of spirits has to come directly from Yahweh or it's our discernment.

"Fruit inspections" aren't a commandment while loving Yahweh and others is. Sometimes things are brought to our attention so we can pray vs taking other action. We just have to follow His leading.

Yahweh bless you as well.

 

[wayfaring man]

In this vessel, the fact that people are often somewhat anonymous on the internet doesn't prevent a discernment of the spirit in which something is said.

For example: some of your OP is overstated due to some emotional unrest.

wm

 

[Michael009]

The INTERNET brings a smörgåsbord of SPOTS. Many of which are agents of the powers of darkness, though in their sincerity they believe they are truly following God.

These SPOTS always use the cover of light to instill false doctrines via visions, revelations and prophecies.

Jude 1:12 These are SPOTS in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

No gift of discernment needed to see a SPOT if one has been walking in the light, as the following scripture makes plain..
Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to DISCERN both good and evil.

So just continue to preach, teach and/or share the WORD OF GOD, because only TRUTH breaks up and pulls down the lies that satan has fortified in the mind.

 

[Alive_Again]

We judge all prophecy. You're only responsible for what you know. We're supposed to be reaching and listening. Judge them by the fruits.

Receive these and let them minister to you.

…for they shall all know Me Jer 31
…from the least of them unto the greatest of them Jer 31
…And we know that the Son of God is come 1 John 5
…and hath given us an understanding 1 John 5
…that we may know Him that is true 1 John 5
…the things which God hath prepared for them that love Him 1 Cor 2
…But God hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit 1 Cor 2
…for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 1 Cor 2
…Now we have received, not the spirit of the world 1 Cor 2
…but the Spirit which is of God 1 Cor 2
…that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God 1 Cor 2
…Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come John 16
…He will guide you into all truth John 16
…for He shall not speak of Himself John 16
…but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak John 16
…He will shew you things to come John 16
…He shall glorify Me John 16
…for He shall receive of Mine, and shall shew it unto you John 16
…He shall take of Mine, and shall shew it unto you John 16
…for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee Matt 16
…but My Father which is in Heaven Matt 16
…upon this rock I will build my church Matt 16
…But the manifestation of the Spirit 1 Cor 12
…is given to every man to profit withal 1 Cor 12
…to another prophecy 1 Cor 12

...I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh Acts 2
...and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy Acts 2
...and your young men shall see visions Acts 2
...and your old men shall dream dreams Acts 2
...on My servants and on My handmaidens I will pour out in those days of My Spirit Acts 2
...and they shall prophesy Acts 2
...For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted 1 Cor 14

...But God hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit 1 Cor 2
...for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God 1 Cor 2
...Now we have received, not the spirit of the world; but the spirit which is of God 1 Cor 2
...that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God 1 Cor 2
...the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual 1 Cor 2
...But we have the mind of Christ 1 Cor 2

...What man is he that feareth the Lord? Psalms 25
...Him shall He teach in the way that He shall choose Psalms 25
...The secret of the Lord is with them that fear Him Psalms 25
...He will shew them His covenant Psalms 25

...for all things that I have heard of My Father I have made known unto you John 15

...Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given Luke 8
...For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known Luke 12

…But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel Jer 31
…My sheep hear My voice John 10
…and I know them, and they follow Me John 10
…he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep John 10
…To him the porter openeth John 10
…the sheep hear His voice John 10
…and He calleth His own sheep by name, and leadeth them out John 10
…And when He putteth forth His own sheep John 10
…He goeth before them John 10
…and the sheep follow Him: for they know His voice John 10
…I am the good shepherd, and know My sheep John 10
…and am known of Mine John 10
…And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold John 10
…them also I must bring, and they shall hear My voice John 10

…Ponder the path of thy feet, and let all thy ways be established Prov 4
…Turn not to the right hand nor to the left Prov 4
…remove thy foot from evil Prov 4
…Trust in the Lord with all thine heart Prov 3
…lean not unto thine own understanding Prov 3
…In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths Prov 3
…I was as a beast before Thee Psalms 73
…Nevertheless I am continually with thee Psalms 73
…Thou hast holden me by my right hand Psalms 73
…Thou shalt guide me with Thy counsel, Psalms 73
…and afterward receive me to glory Psalms 73
…For this God is our God for ever and ever Psalms 48
…He will be our guide even unto death Psalms 48
…Have not I commanded thee? Josh 1
…Be strong and of a good courage Josh 1
…be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed Josh 1
…for the Lord thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest Josh 1

 

[wayfaring man]

No gift of discernment needed to see a SPOT if one has been walking in the light, as the following scripture makes plain..
Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to DISCERN both good and evil.

For who makes thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it? <-----> 1st Corinthians 4:7

John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven. <-----> John 3:27

Do not err, my beloved brethren.
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. <-----> James 1:16+17

But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
Who knows not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this?
In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.
Does not the ear try words? and the mouth taste his meat? <-----> Job 12:7-11

wm

 

[stormdancer0]

Okay, pardon my ignorance, but what is a SPOT? (Besides an over-used dog's name?)

 

[wayfaring man]

Okay, pardon my ignorance, but what is a SPOT? (Besides an over-used dog's name?)

Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withers, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; <-----> Jude 1:11+12

spots -

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Of uncertain derivation; a ledge or reef of rock in the sea: - spot [by confusion with G4696].

Apparently "spot" is someone/something/someplace which one may "shipwreck" on...

Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: <-----> 1st Timothy 1:19

shipwreck -

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From a compound of G3491 and G71; to be shipwrecked (stranded, &#8220;navigate&#8221, literally or figuratively: - make (suffer) shipwreck.

wm

 

[Alive_Again]

I find it bizarre that anyone would accept a vision, revelation, or supposed prophecy from people writing text on the Internet.
I've been on some Christian Forums where multiple individuals are professing they've received direct divine inspiration, and then proceed to express the vision or prophecy.

This should be common sense, but it's almost impossible to PROVE these people, if no one knows who they are. The source is to be proven, just as their message is to be proven that they are truly..

1. Born of God
2. Have the Baptism of the Holy Spirit
3. Are living a faithful and righteous life in Christ

You won't know that unless you're judging them righteously. If God is speaking to you, you'll have a witness in your spirit that He's speaking to you. It may be of God, but not really to you. What if it were a scathing repentance message, and you were walking uprightly? Often God will witness to it anyway. If you feel convicted, He's talking to you.

Ultimately, you're listening for the voice of the good shepherd, who feeds you like it says in Psalms 23. Unless something is interfering with your receiving the Word (like a spirit), your spirit will be fed.

Trust God to show you what's of Him for you. Leave the rest alone, and don't speak against it unless you feel a warning in your spirit. Be careful what you say anyway, because you can be wrong. If you don't hear the voice of the shepherd, but rather the voice of a stranger, move away to what He wants you to feed on.

1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

You'll try it by the fruits you bear when you listen.

 

[godisreal36]

No ones good, no not one. we are made righteous to god only by faith in Jesus. Anything else is self righteousness. I was severely wounded in battle fighting the spiritual war. However I'm still here, fighting the good fight of faith. I am righteous only Because of my master lord Jesus. No one is good, no not one. Praise our lord Jesus for our undeserving righteousness.

 

[godisreal36]

No man may say Jesus is lord unless done so by the Holy spirit. Does this mean everything comes from the HS? I'm not sure but faith is in order to make me righteous. Let the elders worry about testing spirits, I'm to busy being tested and failing. Praise lord Jesus, only the HS can allow me to say this.

 

[Alive_Again]

godisreal36:

I would recommend 3 books by Kenneth Hagin. God uses them to show you how to develop discernment in your own life. This is done by listening to the voice of your spirit and not your soul. Also, how to develop your own spirit so that it is stronger than your head.

The Human Spirit
Growing Up Spiritually
Zoe: The God Kind of Life

They ministered to me and the Lord will use them to open up your awareness of the divine nature within you. Let your light shine.

 

[tturt]

The discerning of spirits has to come from Yahweh - just like all the other gifts or it's our discernment.

 

[godisreal36]

Thank you Alive Again and everyone else also.

 

[805margie]

You are right, you can't just go believing what someone who you don't even know wrote on the internet about what God supposedly said. You can't believe this with ministers or other Christians in your life as well. I agree that you should always test it and seek God in these matters for yourself.

 

[godisreal36]

Without faith it is impossible to please God. I have always wondered what blasphemy of the holy spirit is, it is the only unforgivable sin. If it means not excepting the HS, rejecting God, then it's open shut. However if it means claiming to speak by it when you don't, we should be careful. If someone says Jesus is lord they do so only by the HS. But can they also hear a voice not of God and think it is the HS? I hope not, but it's something that worries me.

 

[godisreal36]

Knowing false profits by the fruits they bear. Does this mean Reverend Wright who was Obama's preacher is false? Does what he said on national TV when he damned America prove he is a false profit? What Spirit does this man speak by?

 

[Alive_Again]

Knowing false profits by the fruits they bear. Does this mean Reverend Wright who was Obama's preacher is false? Does what he said on national TV when he damned America prove he is a false profit? What Spirit does this man speak by?

That was a shameful moment. There are many preachers who minister from bitter waters. That could happen to anyone, as far as being defiled by a root of bitterness.

It's not often a prophet will be a leader in a denominational church, because they are too controversial (God doesn't care if you're offended.). He exhibits no fruit of a prophet. Not all pastors are prophets. Many are not called to be pastors either.

A true man of God will put away the memory of wrongdoing and their lips will be seasoned with grace and love.

Any man can speak under inspiration of a demonic spirit. We're supposed to judge with spiritual eyes and ears. Other prophets will judge as well. Do the words magnify God or the man? Does it lead to repentance? If their words oppress, demons minister of their own store.

It's often not wise to speak of specific people as far as being "false". Some you can see a mile away. If you see someone listening to them examine their doctrines carefully.