Be Honest

[Wiccan_Child]

Oh it is more than enlightenment. Perhaps it is not CALLED salvation but basically it means the same. They are looking for the true spiritual path to the end of suffering.

No, we're not so dumb as to quibble over semantics. In Buddhism, the root of suffering is desire. Cease your desire, and you cease your suffering. This is something that can be done in this mortal life under very mundane conditions.

And the salvation offered by Christianity is not "the end of suffering". It's freedom from damnation and entry into the kingdom of Heaven.

 

[Tomk80]

No, we're not so dumb as to quibble over semantics. In Buddhism, the root of suffering is desire. Cease your desire, and you cease your suffering. This is something that can be done in this mortal life under very mundane conditions.

And the salvation offered by Christianity is not "the end of suffering". It's freedom from damnation and entry into the kingdom of Heaven.

Note also that the concept of Nirvana in Buddhism is quite different from that of heaven in Christianity.

 

[Inan3]

No, we're not so dumb as to quibble over semantics.

You say "we" is that including you?

 

[Inan3]

Note also that the concept of Nirvana in Buddhism is quite different from that of heaven in Christianity.

Thankfully I know that!

 

[Inan3]

This is for those who believe the earth and the universe are only 6,000-10,000 years old.

Science has well established a plethora of dating methods such as the various radiometric dating, obsidian hydration dating, thermoluminescence dating, varve analysis, ice coring, background radiation measurements, redshift, the Hubble constant, parallax, and a host of other methods. All of these methods and measurements point to the same conclusion - that the earth and universe are much, much older than 10,000 years, by order of magnitude.

So, your next logical step is to go through all the methods and measurements, and start nit-picking at each and every one, and show conclusively how they're all grossly flawed. If you ever succeed in that endeavor, you then need to explain how all these grossly flawed methods and measurements, all point to the same results. (that's where the real fun begins)

Be honest. Do you ever stop and think that perhaps this part of your beliefs are wrong?

Well, that's going to be easy TB cause I'm always honest. I don't lie. I always tell the truth. I may not always know something but if I find out I'm wrong I will admit that. So I'll be honest here.

It's funny you are talking about this because just a couple of weeks or so ago I was going to going to start a similar thread. Now I don't need to.

Firstly, I do not think the earth or universe is only 10,000 years old. I do think that man is approximately 6000 years old though.

I believe that something happened between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2. It is obvious to me in light of other scriptures and the wording of Gen 1:2.

So I have no problem will dating instruments showing the date of the earth and universe as older than 10,000.

As to to "how all these grossly flawed (your words not mine) methods and measurements, all point to the same results" I believe it is because they are mostly all calibrated by the World Radiometric Reference (WRR) in Switzerland.

Now I realize that this question "is for those who believe the earth and the universe are only 6,000-10,000 years old" so I don't qualify, but just in case anyone wanted to "group" me where I didn't belong. I wanted to share my thoughts with you.

And, yes, as a matter of fact, I have wondered if possiby I could be wrong because the devil will plant that thought with anyone. He even tried to do it to Jesus, but whenever I have had those thoughts God answers me and I see how absurd even the fleeting temptation to think that is. And after it is all over and He has reassured me with His love and Word and Spirit, I am even more resolved in my faith than I was prior to that thought. So there you have it .... the truth. God is real and He loves you TB. And because He lives in me and loves me, too, its even possible for me to love you regardless of what you think of me. Love is good. God is good. It's a good new life and I would never want to go back to the darkness of the old one.

Here is a very interesting article on the WRR if you are interested.

www.wmo.int/pages/prog/www/IMOP/publications/IOM-82-TECO_2005/Papers/3(15)_Switzerland_Ruedi.pdf

 

[atomweaver]

Well, that's going to be easy TB cause I'm always honest. I don't lie. I always tell the truth. I may not always know something but if I find out I'm wrong I will admit that. So I'll be honest here.

It's funny you are talking about this because just a couple of weeks or so ago I was going to going to start a similar thread. Now I don't need to.

Firstly, I do not think the earth or universe is only 10,000 years old. I do think that man is approximately 6000 years old though.

I believe that something happened between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2. It is obvious to me in light of other scriptures and the wording of Gen 1:2.

So I have no problem will dating instruments showing the date of the earth and universe as older than 10,000.

As to to "how all these grossly flawed (your words not mine) methods and measurements, all point to the same results" I believe it is because they are mostly all calibrated by the World Radiometric Reference (WRR) in Switzerland.

*facepalm*

Yow. Radiometric dating (the measurement of the age of rocks by differential nuclear decay patterns) has nothing to do with solar irradiance (how much sunlight hits the Earth), Inan...

Here is a very interesting article on the WRR if you are interested.

www.wmo.int/pages/prog/www/IMOP/publications/IOM-82-TECO_2005/Papers/3(15)_Switzerland_Ruedi.pdf

Did you read it? Did you read the first paragraph of the abstract, even? You know, the one where it talks about meteorology, solar radiation, and all that..?

 

[sbvera13]

Note also that the concept of Nirvana in Buddhism is quite different from that of heaven in Christianity.

Thankfully I know that!

Oh it is more than enlightenment. Perhaps it is not CALLED salvation but basically it means the same. They are looking for the true spiritual path to the end of suffering.

Apparently you DON"T know that, since you said the exact opposite.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

You say "we" is that including you?

First person pronouns typically refer to the first person(s), so, yes. My point is that it's not a matter of different names, they are fundamentally different concepts. It's apples and oranges.

 

[Inan3]

*facepalm*

Yow. Radiometric dating (the measurement of the age of rocks by differential nuclear decay patterns) has nothing to do with solar irradiance (how much sunlight hits the Earth), Inan...



Did you read it? Did you read the first paragraph of the abstract, even? You know, the one where it talks about meteorology, solar radiation, and all that..?

Yes, I read it. Thought they were all intertwined somehow. Duh! My bad.