I have heard some creationists state that the Big Bang Theory and evolution are somehow correlated. How is this possible? What do cosmological physics and human evolutionary biology have to do with each other? I'm dumbfounded. 
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BBT & Evolution
- Thread starter Caedmon
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When God spoke the Universe into existence, there was probably a Huge Big Bang!
We can have Big Bang and not believe that Humans evolved from a group of cells. We can have mutations and evolving after the creation, but the Universe and everything contained in it must have had an origin, hence spontaneous species creation.
We can have Big Bang and not believe that Humans evolved from a group of cells. We can have mutations and evolving after the creation, but the Universe and everything contained in it must have had an origin, hence spontaneous species creation.
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From an evolutionary POV, after the Big Bang, one thing led to another.
But God created everything.
But God created everything.
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It's easier to construct a straw man argument if you insist that the two are really one and the same theory.
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I think I knew that already, I just needed someone to come out and say it.
So... what do you creationists that argue in this fashion have to say for yourselves?
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Come now, don't be shy...
Surely, at the very least one of your representatives can defend your position that the BBT and evolution are correlated.
Surely, at the very least one of your representatives can defend your position that the BBT and evolution are correlated.
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That's a good point. But my impression is that they try to say that the BBT and evolution are one-in-the-same theory, and that's just not true.
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From my experience, arguments against evolution are more philosofical in nature than scientific (scientific arguments against evolution are too easily refuted I guess?) and thus BBT and ToE are bundled together because they are both a part of a materialistic naturalisitc philosophy (or whatever you want to call it).
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I don't know that I can properly give much input since I'm not a YECie, but perhaps a young earth creationist may view any theory (and its supporting evidence) that tends to show that the universe is more than 6,000-12,000 years old as a threat to his or her belief. Thus, the theories may be linked in the YECie's mental processes--even though they are separate and distinct theories. And--as seebs has already noted--"if the universe isn't as old as Big Bang cosmology suggests, then we may not have had as much time as evolution suggests we'd need."
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Or perhaps YECs combine the two as an excuse for a comprehensive attack on what they consider "atheist" ideas. Am I wrong? If I am, someone refute me.
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That still doesn't tell me how they can correlate the BBT and evolution.
Where are the scientific theories and mathematical models that support a correlation? Surely it can't be too difficult to produce them, since they seem so assured of their belief.
Where are the scientific theories and mathematical models that support a correlation? Surely it can't be too difficult to produce them, since they seem so assured of their belief.
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But the Big Bang theory does not say that "there isn't a creator." It says there was a definite beginning to our universe, all matter and even time itself as we know it.....but it does not say what--or Who--caused the Big Bang. Thus, the BBT and Genesis 1:1 are consistent with each other--except that Genesis gives more details about who caused the BB to occur (and the rest of the Bible gives more details as to why), and the BBT gives more details about how scientists believe the creation progressed. But that only stands to reason: Science is more concerned with when and how, while religion is more concerned with who and why.
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