Bartholomew I to Visit US

[Moros]

Why would he meet with jewish leaders? Maybe he should meet with some more roman catholics to improve "relations." seems more his style...

What do you think? Should the US Greek Orthodox archdiocese be given "self-rule?"

The EP has direct jurisdiction over the US Greeks... does he have direct jurisdiction over, say OCA or ROCOR, RCA, any of the other ones?

When do we get a new EP? When this guy dies? He's done quite a bit of damage recently.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apus_story.asp?category=1110&slug=Orthodox Patriarch

TRENTON, N.J. -- The spiritual leader of the world's 300 million Orthodox Christians will begin a weeklong trip to the United States on Saturday, as American parishioners press for a greater role in their church.

Bartholomew and his hierarchy have direct jurisdiction over the U.S. Greek Orthodox archdiocese.

Officials from the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America hope the visit will improve relations between the Istanbul-based governing council and members of the U.S. Greek Orthodox church, who have been pushing for self-rule.

He is also scheduled to meet with U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan, and with Jewish leaders.

 

[Oblio]

The spiritual leader of the world's 300 million Orthodox Christians will begin a weeklong trip to the United States on Saturday,

I'd really like to know where this false statement originated, and how to get rid of it. while there are some here who are properly under the EP, most are not. The EO do NOT have the equavalent of an Eastern Pope.

 

[Photini]

I'd really like to know where this false statement originated, and how to get rid of it. while there are some here who are properly under the EP, most are not. The EO do NOT have the equavalent of an Eastern Pope.

In regards to numbers, his jurisdiction is actually pretty small isn't it?

 

[Matrona]

His All-Holiness * is more like a "spiritual figurehead" than anything, right?

* Thank the Lord, there's finally a title I do know.

When do we get a new EP? When this guy dies?

Heeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyy...

 

[Moros]

I'd really like to know where this false statement originated, and how to get rid of it. while there are some here who are properly under the EP, most are not.

I know I sure ain't. What I do know is almost every single site I read that mentions the "ecumenical patriarch" (whatever that is) says the same thing - spiritual leader for ALL Orthodox Christians.

Heeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyy...

It's a valid question. Do you know?

 

[Oblio]

I know I sure ain't. What I do know is almost every single site I read that mentions the "ecumenical patriarch" (whatever that is) says the same thing - spiritual leader for ALL Orthodox Christians.

I'd imagine it was penned by an errent AP reporter, got stuck in a database somewhere, and now whenever a story on Orthodoxy is done the editor or reporter does a search and ... there ya go

Even our church article, when we first appeared on the scope of the local journalistic radars, had a sidebar that quoted the dreaded line.

 

[Matrona]

It's a valid question. Do you know?

Yes, there will probably only be a new EP when His All-Holiness falls asleep, unless maybe he wants to retire or something.

But I think we have established that I personally am fairly sensitive to hierarchs being heavily criticized and suggestions that their falling-asleep should perhaps be hastened in order to bring about administrative change, so please don't go there.

 

[Photini]

He's done quite a bit of damage recently.

Read this article: http://www.patriarchate.org/SPEECHES/1994/NOV_4-World_Assembly.html

That is why the Ecumenical Patriarchate has established an academic "dialogue of loving truth" with both Muslims and Jews. We hope to put behind what is unpleasant while putting forward the best values of humankind. As leaders, we must stand prophetically, and work for brotherly and sisterly co-existence among those of different faiths, for the benefit of all. We must set aside our differences and learn to "speak the truth in love", as children of the one and true God.

 

[Moros]

In June of 1995 we will continue the Dialogue of Love with our brother, the Archbishop of Rome, Pope John Paul II, a tradition established by Patriarch Athenagoras and Pope Paul VI, both of blessed memory.

No thanks. Wow, this guy is even more liberal than I thought. "Palestinians and Israelis have made peace, and now, Jordan has joined them too." Pretty naiive, too.

Thanks for posting that. Just goes to prove that ecumenism needs a big ol' red H stamp. I'll leave the word I'm thinking of to your imaginations.

So, Photini, I see you are Greek Orthodox, SHOULD the US Greek Patriarchate be self-ruling?

I'm not Greek, and I'll give a resounding YES! after reading that disgusting pandering job.

 

[Matrona]

No thanks. Wow, this guy is even more liberal than I thought. "Palestinians and Israelis have made peace, and now, Jordan has joined them too." Pretty naiive, too.

Um, that speech was given in 1994. The Israelis and Palestinians HAD made peace at that point.

 

[Photini]

So, Photini, I see you are Greek Orthodox, SHOULD the US Greek Patriarchate be self-ruling?

Yes, I think so. I hear and read many good things about His Eminence Archbishop DEMETRIOS.

But others will have better answers than me. I'm not Greek, and I'm a new convert.

 

[Reader Nilus]

Read this article: http://www.patriarchate.org/SPEECHES/1994/NOV_4-World_Assembly.html

I do not see much difference in what His Holiness Patriach BARTHOLOMEW wrote:

That is why the Ecumenical Patriarchate has established an academic "dialogue of loving truth" with both Muslims and Jews. We hope to put behind what is unpleasant while putting forward the best values of humankind. As leaders, we must stand prophetically, and work for brotherly and sisterly co-existence among those of different faiths, for the benefit of all. We must set aside our differences and learn to "speak the truth in love", as children of the one and true God.
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And what His Holiness Patriach PAVLE wrote:

If we live as people of God, there will be room for all nations in the Balkans and in the world. If we liken ourselves to Cain who killed his brother Abel, then the entire earth will be too small even for two people. The Lord Jesus Christ teaches us to be always children of God and love one another. We should remember the words of St. Paul: "If it be possible, as much as lies in you, live peaceably with all men."

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It seems that some of the worst violence is religious in nature, and that as Christians we can fall prey to that demon as well. To work toward peaceful co-existence is not selling out the faith at all. Our Lord taught us, "Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the sons of God."
Jeff the Finn

 

[Suzannah]

Peaceful co-existence does not equal compromise on matters of faith.

 

[St. Tikon]

Why would he meet with jewish leaders? Maybe he should meet with some more roman catholics to improve "relations." seems more his style...

What do you think? Should the US Greek Orthodox archdiocese be given "self-rule?"

The EP has direct jurisdiction over the US Greeks... does he have direct jurisdiction over, say OCA or ROCOR, RCA, any of the other ones?

When do we get a new EP? When this guy dies? He's done quite a bit of damage recently.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apus_story.asp?category=1110&slug=Orthodox Patriarch


He has no authority over anyone other than his own Patriarchate.
He is "first among equals"

I disagree strongly with his move toward re-union with Rome. He was educated by the Jesuits, and is Pro-RC. I feel his moves could seriously threaten the future unity of the Orthodox Church, because the other Patriarchates are not in agreement from what I have heard. ROCA is certainly not in agreement as well.

TRENTON, N.J. -- The spiritual leader of the world's 300 million Orthodox Christians will begin a weeklong trip to the United States on Saturday, as American parishioners press for a greater role in their church.

Bartholomew and his hierarchy have direct jurisdiction over the U.S. Greek Orthodox archdiocese.

Officials from the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America hope the visit will improve relations between the Istanbul-based governing council and members of the U.S. Greek Orthodox church, who have been pushing for self-rule.

He is also scheduled to meet with U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan, and with Jewish leaders.

The Ecumenical Patriarch is a real threat to the unity of the Orthodox Church, (in my humble opinion of course!) He was educated by the Jesuits, and is very Pro-RC. The closer he moves toward unity with Rome, the more he seems to alienate the other Patriarchates, etc.

 

[Photini]

Peaceful co-existence does not equal compromise on matters of faith.

Very true.
My trouble is when you mix his innumerable talks of unity and co-existence with his concelebration with non-Orthodox.

 

[St. Tikon]

Exactly......

 

[ChoirDir]

In answer to the question of "Eccumenical Patriarch" and being called the leader of EO, probably has something to do with when Constantinople was recognized as 2nd after Rome. When the East and West split, he became 1. The point tho is that Orthodox do not have a pope. This writer should be corrected. Letters to the editor anyone