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yes well.. few realize that in islam they too have a queen of heaven .. the false godess .This sounds like the Americanized Hinduism/paganism that is creeping into many Baptist churches through the teachings of groups like the Acts 29 Network, the Emerging Church. There are some shocking things being accepted in some Baptist circles. Part of it is moving toward ecumenicalism in which all faiths are united. The driving force of it is a spirituality which is independent of the word of God claiming to be from God's spirit. It finds common ground where Catholics, Batpists, and Muslims can be united. The one world religion that is going to be imposed in the future is this kind of stuff in full bloom....designed to be inclusive and non-offensive for all religions.
yes well.. few realize that in islam they too have a queen of heaven .. the false godess .
Yes i understand that to be the case also ..the mother ofgod and queen of heaven i consider to blasphemic titles.I believe the Mother/Child idol is found in most religions around the world and has it's roots in ancient Babylon as the worship of Nimrod and his mother. "The Two Babylons" by, if I remember correctly, Alexander Hyslop, is an extremely scholarly documentation of the Mother/child religion and how it spread around the world, documented in ancient symbols spreading through ancient cultures and how those same symbols are used in religions today. It's been a long time since I read the book, I consider it to be one of the most important books in the world today, documenting the source and spread of most if not all of the worlds religions. I have a copy in my exclusive little library
Did you mean to write, “Basically, an idol is something that gets in the way of worshipping God. Judging from what I hear from many Catholics, it looks like they put more emphasis on Mary than they do on God, and that is rather worrisome.”?
Based upon what I read in their posts, I see that radicalized independent Baptists put more emphasis upon bashing Roman Catholics than they do upon worshiping and serving God. Am I to infer from these non-cognizant “Baptists” that Baptists behave more like infidels than they do like Christians? No, of course not! In every faith group we find faithful practitioners, and others who are living in the twilight zone.
The New Testament is silent on the issue of praying to the saints; and to argue in a state of hysteria like some radicalized independent Baptists do that it is a sin is nothing but irrational, non-biblical bashing of our brothers and sisters in the Roman Catholic Church—and that is a sin!Princeton, where would you say Scripture says it is okay to pray to the saints? I agree with you Baptist have a tendency to misinterpret other faiths beliefs too carelessly. But whether most people understand it or not, there is a reason they are Protestants. Their ancestors of the faith Protested against Roman Catholic theology. I'm unaware of any Scripture giving a sound support for praying to Mary. On the otherhand, Baptist don't give enough honor to Mary probably because they are trying to be overly emphatic about the sin of praying to idols. What there is not a sin against is having a painting, a statue or relic in the church to honor those people and to remind people of their lives.
You are absolutely correct that bashing RC is sin. It's certainly a sin to bring a false witness about the RC Christian too. The RC church doesn't teaches ot isn't a sin to pray to saints. However, there is not a Scriptural foundation. It's born out of their interpretation of early Christian Fathers. Am I not correct?The New Testament is silent on the issue of praying to the saints; and to argue in a state of hysteria like some radicalized independent Baptists do that it is a sin is nothing but irrational, non-biblical bashing of our brothers and sisters in the Roman Catholic Church—and that is a sin!
because it causes relationship tension between peoples and no one likes tension..But tension is cause by opposing spirit .I hope you guys don't mind if I come in here and ask questions?
For example, I went to a Baptist school. As soon as Mary came up into any of the questions or discussion, the tide just changed to a super tight feeling if you guys get what I mean.
so your saying it is a sin to point out that idolatry is wrong .. hmmm -i guess that makes God wrong as he points it out often ? of course God is nt wrong ..we are if we do it .The New Testament is silent on the issue of praying to the saints; and to argue in a state of hysteria like some radicalized independent Baptists do that it is a sin is nothing but irrational, non-biblical bashing of our brothers and sisters in the Roman Catholic Church—and that is a sin!
I hope you guys don't mind if I come in here and ask questions?
For example, I went to a Baptist school. As soon as Mary came up into any of the questions or discussion, the tide just changed to a super tight feeling if you guys get what I mean.
I do not know that, and I do not know any Baptists that know that—because it is not true.but we all know that to elevate an individual above their station id a form ofidolizingthem.. and that to give a person more worth then is due is to"worship' themand to do either of these things by making images of them is the same.
Since I am not, and never have been, a Roman Catholic, I shall give you a link to a good Roman Catholic answer:You are absolutely correct that bashing RC is sin. It's certainly a sin to bring a false witness about the RC Christian too. The RC church doesn't teaches ot isn't a sin to pray to saints. However, there is not a Scriptural foundation. It's born out of their interpretation of early Christian Fathers. Am I not correct?
It should be noted we are talking about a statue owned by the person in question. The accusation has been made that Baptists do as ISIS has been doing - going around to people's gathering places, and smashing their statues. It is not that Baptists are doing this. If, as was shown before, I was to buy a house that had such a thing, I would smash it. I would not come to your house, and smash something belonging to you. I trust you can see the difference.... they would have no problem smashing that piece of clay or painted plaster..
actions speak louder then words
It would be interesting to know the context of the case you mentioned. I doubt a scripture or lesson was being taught, and the passage mentioned Mary, the mother of Jesus. Was it instead, that they were talking or teaching about something else, and you just brought that up?... As soon as Mary came up into any of the questions or discussion, the tide just changed to a super tight feeling...
The ONLY difference would be the ownership of the property—otherwise it would be the VERY SAME hateful, misguided violence committed by radicalized Sunni Muslims.It should be noted we are talking about a statue owned by the person in question. The accusation has been made that Baptists do as ISIS has been doing - going around to people's gathering places, and smashing their statues. It is not that Baptists are doing this. If, as was shown before, I was to buy a house that had such a thing, I would smash it. I would not come to your house, and smash something belonging to you. I trust you can see the difference.
This is nothing but shamefully disgusting and malicious anti-Catholic propaganda that is making Baptists appear to other Christians and to non-Christians to be loathsome, hateful beasts. My Baptist denominations does not preach or teach such lies; the Southern Baptist Convention does not preach or teach such lies, and no other Baptist denomination of which I am aware teaches such lies—but these lies are doing immeasurable harm to the reputation of Baptists around the world who love Jesus and who obey Him.Mary, being idolize by someone making a statue, and being prayed to (against the 2nd commandment - Exodus 20:4-6) is no different than any other subject of idolatry.
That “significant portion of this world’s population” includes radicalized independent Baptists who make a mockery of Jesus by doing the very thing that He hated most—hating rather than loving their neighbors.Mary tells us to go to Jesus, and obey Him, but that is not what a significant portion of this world's population is satisfied to do.
umm do you read your bible ?Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under ...etcI do not know that, and I do not know any Baptists that know that—because it is not true.
qwll no i was saying we should go to others houses and do so .. i was just pointing out the pretense/falsehood of those that say .".no my statue (or image or whatever) is not an idol " ..but then refuse to remove and cast it down . they first deny, then they refuse to repent . according to the scripture we are not instructed to have fellowship not unity with such .and this present drive for just such unity is in itself a falshood trying to coax a compromise in the name of unity .. but it is a false unity ,one that demands acceptance of "their ways" .. but does not require of them repentance and submittance to GODIt should be noted we are talking about a statue owned by the person in question. The accusation has been made that Baptists do as ISIS has been doing - going around to people's gathering places, and smashing their statues. It is not that Baptists are doing this. If, as was shown before, I was to buy a house that had such a thing, I would smash it. I would not come to your house, and smash something belonging to you. I trust you can see the difference.
Mary, being idolized by someone making a statue, and being prayed to (against the 2nd commandment - Exodus 20:4-6) is no different than any other subject of idolatry. The mother of Jesus is a person who knew this was not right, and when people came to her, she sent them to Jesus and stated, "Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it." She initially came to her Son, and he rejected the whole idea of that. Maybe, He saw all this coming?!?!?!?
Mary tells us to go to Jesus, and obey Him, but that is not what a significant portion of this world's population is satisfied to do.
It would be interesting to know the context of the case you mentioned. I doubt a scripture or lesson was being taught, and the passage mentioned Mary, the mother of Jesus. Was it instead, that they were talking or teaching about something else, and you just brought that up?
SORRY. I misunderstood. I had made my point in an earlier post, and was applying it to things said since...qwll no i was saying we should go to others houses and do so ..
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