Baptist= non-protestant?

[JM]

Rome is protesting us.

 

[CrystalBrooke]

i dont think that all Baptists are Protestants. if you think about it, it makes more sense if you think of it as a personal preferance, i for one dont protest the Catholic church, i agree with them a lot, but not enough to be Catholic, then there are those of you who disagree with everything, you're protesting the church, therefore,*edit* IMO, id say you ARE a protestant. but that's just my 2 cents.

 

[bleechers]

you're protesting the church, therefore, if you were to ask me, id say you ARE a protestant.

But that is their term. Why should I take it? It carries a lot of baggage and false claims. I'm also "protesting" Hinduism and Mormonism, is there a special term I should take for those positions?

It's a silly term that is predicated on a false understanding of both salvation and "the church". If some kid hears a gospel message over the radio in Pakistan and gets saved, he is now wedded to some organizational "church" that is "Protestant"? That is false thinking.

The true church doesn't need a headquarters. It is an organism. It's "sacred" document is the Bible. "The church" is not a sanctioning board that controls the elements of salvation, it is a Body consisting of born-again believers.

That kid in Pakistan and I are in the same "Church" no matter we call ourselves. If YOU want to label us "Protestants" that is your business, but I don't want any part of it. You can call yourself a Protestant, but leave me out of it. I don't take my cues from my enemies.

Mormons call the Jews "gentiles". Should Jews now start calling themselves "gentiles" merely because the "Prophet" in Salt Lake City has labeled them so?

By the way, how much do you agree with the Mormons? Do you also "agree with them a lot"? If so, how? If not, why not?

 

[CrystalBrooke]

i didnt ask to get my throat slit bc you dont agree with me...i dont call myself a protestant, and im not specifically calling you a protestant, i dont care what you want to call yourself or what you want to call me, that was just my opinion. i dont see what agreeing with mormons has to do with anything..and i dont owe you an explaination for anything..i gave my opinion thats all...i didnt mean to offend you, i assure you that was not my intention.

 

[bleechers]

OK

 

[CrystalBrooke]

i also said "if you were to ask me"...you didnt ask me...i was speaking to everyone in general, so specifically i was NOT calling you a protestant.

 

[bleechers]

OK...

 

[CrystalBrooke]

i know what i wrote and i know what i meant by it...i dont need someone like you to twist my words to make yourself look good...give me a break, nice try tho. now if you'll excuse me i have better things to do than to waste it on you.

 

[RED that's ME]

MOD HAT ON

Let's get off the personal and get back on track of the subject.

MOD HAT OFF

 

[Crazy Liz]

Let me see if I understand. The proponents of this thread base their argument simply on their dislike for a word, not on the history this word represents.

OK...

 

[@@Paul@@]

Let me see if I understand. The proponents of this thread base their argument simply on their dislike for a word, not on the history this word represents.

OK...

In order to PROTEST something, that SOMETHING must have been there first... Which in this case, "it" was not.... So yes, i dislike the history.

 

[bleechers]

Let me see if I understand. The proponents of this thread base their argument simply on their dislike for a word, not on the history this word represents.

It's their word. Regardless of the history, why would I take on an epithet created by others. The historicity of the word is meaningless.

If I created a word for all non-Baptists (Mormons, RCs, animists) would they be under any obligation to take the word upon themselves, merely because I said so? What if I said that, Biblically, I trace my beliefs back to Paul, therefore, all other off-shoots calling themselves Christians are (a) in grave error (b) merely branches from the one, true organization (c) to assign to themselves a name that I will impose on them...?

I don't accept their premise and I won't take their word upon myself.

If they chose the word "heretics" instead of "Protestant" would we all go around calling ourselves "heretics"?




Note: I realize that many solid men have used the term in historical terms in the past (I quote one on my CD), but in this age, it no longer makes sense. When Mormons and JWs are being lumped in, and as the "non-catholic" world can no longer be equated with an "anti-Catholic" world, the term has lost any usefulness to us. Once "Protestant" could be equated with "the resistance," but those days are long gone. When the NCC and the WCC represent "Protestantism," I wanna run as far as I can in the other direction.

 

[BjBarnett]

If I created a word for all non-Baptists (Mormons, RCs, animists) would they be under any obligation to take the word upon themselves, merely because I said so?

well you call us Roman Catholic even though thats a name given to us from the anglicans... so if you dont call me roman catholic i wont call you protestant

 

[@@Paul@@]

well you call us Roman Catholic even though thats a name given to us from the anglicans... so if you dont call me roman catholic i wont call you protestant

Thanks for the tip.

 

[bleechers]

well you call us Roman Catholic even though thats a name given to us from the anglicans... so if you dont call me roman catholic i wont call you protestant

Deal... now can you get your higher-ups to stop using the term? On second thought, let 'em use it... it helps to illustate many of my points.

There is one other difference... last I looked there aren't a whole lot of local churches calling themselves "protestant" (as in Centerville First Protestant Church) wheras the US is filled with thousands of churches calling themselves "St. Mary's Roman Catholic Church" etc...

I assume these churches have the OK from their bishops since most of the bishops have their seats in "St. Somebody's Roman Catholic Church" as well... and that includes some Cardinals Straighten out the Cardinals, then give me a call.

 

[BjBarnett]

Deal... now can you get your higher-ups to stop using the term? On second thought, let 'em use it... it helps to illustate many of my points.

There is one other difference... last I looked there aren't a whole lot of local churches calling themselves "protestant" (as in Centerville First Protestant Church) wheras the US is filled with thousands of churches calling themselves "St. Mary's Roman Catholic Church" etc...

I assume these churches have the OK from their bishops since most of the bishops have their seats in "St. Somebody's Roman Catholic Church" as well... and that includes some Cardinals

really? i havnt never seen a church that had roman catholic in the name. but it could be possible cause its kinda like being called protestant. some people openly accept it and some people dont. but the term Roman Catholic was originally meant as an insult.

 

[bleechers]

i havnt never seen a church that had roman catholic in the name

Really? In the US, this hard to imagine.

Here's just one of thousands: http://www.catholic-church.org/stmary-auburn/

 

[@@Paul@@]

I knew this day would come... We must all change our church names to: Independant Protestant Baptist Church... Or maybe First Protestant Baptist Church of Hoboken...

 

[BjBarnett]

Really? In the US, this hard to imagine.

Here's just one of thousands: http://www.catholic-church.org/stmary-auburn/

hmm.. its probably because i live in a small town.

 

[Filia Mariae]

hmm.. its probably because i live in a small town.

No Ben, it's just that some Catholic churches (unfortunately) put Roman in the title so that people know it is actually a Catholic church, and not some schismatic group. It's too bad they have decided to capitulate to the use of that insulting term.

Your original point, that those who do not want to be called Protestant should be respectful of what others would like to be called, is valid. Your girlfriend is an excellent example of someone who respects other people in this way, in love and charity. I wish everyone was as kind as she is.